I think your missing the core problem which cdtm did a great job of talking about.
No one is saying that white people aren't poor as well but poverty disproportionately effects African Americans more than it does white people is what is talked about.
Also African Americans tend to be poor in more urban areas while white people tend to be more poor in rural areas. This also effects how poverty influences people.
Basically though anything that effects poor people tends to disproportionately effect African Americans.
I think you should have voter id laws only if the government delivers valid id to every citizen free of charge and without any extra work for the citizen. If they do that I have no problem with that. If it costs you money, time, and is obfuscated in other ways I am opposed to it.
You're right. There are PLENTY of dirt poor white people.
But there has to be even more people of color, as the entire argument depends on disenfranchised people who can't vote with voter id laws in place, because they have no photo id (Or in many cases, as car).
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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
The id rhetoric is all about a core issue: How do you curb voter fraud.
Of course, the left says voter fraud isn't an issue, but I still feel its pretty reasonable to ask about the protections in place, as historically photo id's have been the stop gap measure of choice in just about anything that requires proof of identity.
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Do you feel the same about all the other things that currently require an ID to do/buy?
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Yeah this is the only way it can and not just be a lazy means of trying to stop certain voters from voters.
It needs to be completely free and provided to every American free of charge.
But in the end it’s a solution in search of a problem since voter fraud on any significant level has still yet to be adequately proven in court and if it was going to be proven it would have been this year when there was so much attention and claims about it.
Everyone realizes that poor people come in all skin tones, yes?
Even many white people are poor and may have have just as much problems/difficulties with getting an ID as poor black or brown people. So the argument that it is the reason why it is supposedly "racist" is BS.
Voter id's should be required for all to vote.
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I agree that the rhetoric is about voter fraud, but the core of the voter id debate is not voter fraud, that is just the removed issue that is openly talked about. What is at the core of the voted id debate is what demographics vote for whom and how can you steer that to your own benefit.
I also say that the core it not voter fraud, because we can just look at research that shows that the type of voter fraud that a voter id can feasibly prevent is a non-issue in the United States, and that other places outside the United States also function perfectly fine without it.