The comparisons between BLM protests and this most recent coup attempt are misguided.
Although they are both heated confrontations, only one of these situations involved storming the capital building, interrupting the senate, killing a police officer, and involved the planting of pipe bombs.
Where as one event were involved to speak out against perceived unfair treatment of black people, the most recent event occurred because folks were upset about how the democracy worked and wanted the person who lost the election to seize power anyways.
It was after "stand your ground" shooting, I think. Or possibly an officer shooting. It's hard to find it, as all stories link to recent events. The shooter was found not guilty.
He wasn't the president, no. He did have a commanding presence in the group though.
Again, not really defending Trump. Not exactly..
What I am wondering, is if a "MAGA" guy yelled "Tear it all down" following a riot, would we be arguing he wasn't responsible?
I mean, are there double standards, or not?
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they know that. these are deliberate distractions and enablement games, designed to "trigger der left" and manipulate those completely invested in trumpism (the true believers of Cult45)
they're having a fun time with a coup attempt and national tragedy, engaging in their usual toxicity and social manipulation, narcissist's smirk firmly attached to their faces.
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That's a good question. I think it's just about language and or proving your case.
"As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts."
"Tear it all down" could be explained away as colorful language of rebooting a system or starting from scratch, but could just as easily be said to be "encouraging" a riot. I guess it's the language that really matters.
I think there are double standards on both sides that people identify with. But I would agree with Quincy, that the situations here are very different.
Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy (appointed by trump on june 2020, probably when this coup was being planned) refused to even consider sending in the national guard after repeated pleas from the governor until 90 minutes after the capital building was stormed.
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And the other situations involved laying siege to a federal courthouse and taking over and occupying 6 city blocks for weeks. while they aren't exactly the same. they're certainly similar enough to make a comparison.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Yes, they were done for different reasons, However. I don't care that one group of terrorists thought they had a better reason. terrorism is still wrong, no matter who is doing it.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Different reason or not innocent people were beaten , killed and their businesses destroyed. Having “valid” reason is complete bullshit when people who are not opposed to the cause you are protesting are victims.
nor will kmc trumpers be successful at derailing the topic into another "but whatabout blm/antifa". it will just be another deplorable and embarrassing repeat
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I'm not talking about the actions taken. I'm asking whether you think the reasons behind them are comparable in terms of whether the grievances are legitimate.
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Not to mention the many videos that came out of it, there was one of an old guy trying to defend his little shop from looters and they broke his nose and left him on the pavement, for example. Lots of small businesses were burned down and people lost their livelihoods.
CHOP also sprang from the summer protests, and violent crimes such as assault, robbery and rape skyrocketed not only within CHOP but also around the area as police wouldn't go near it. A 16-year-old boy was shot to death within CHOP 'territory' and ambulances couldn't get inside to save his life.
Honestly the footage I was seeing was incredible, in the worst way. From over the pond, it looked like the whole of America was on fire.
And all the while, Democrats cheered it on, and everyone on the left constantly sympathised and apologised for the acts of devastation and terror that unfolded. Some politicians endorsed what was happening. And now that is also happening on the right. They're using the same tactics that they saw their opponents using last summer (which is a legit thing that happens, it's well documented iirc). They were engendered in part by the response to the violence that they saw (as well as by Trump's repeated refusal to crack down on extreme rhetoric).
Honestly my only real opinion on it all now (i.e. the summer riots and the DC riot) is that America is losing its shit and teetering closer to some kind of civil war. Before, the violence was in the suburbs and city centres. Now it's on the steps of the capital.
Personally I think the line of argument "what if they were black people" doesn't hold much water, because the summer 2020 riots went on for ages and there were no massacres (remember Kent State, 1970?). Ultimately I do think these two occurrences are comparable, especially when seen by someone outside the US political dichotomy, in fact the Capitol riot is more or less a continuation of the conflict of 2020.
Do I sympathise with the peaceful protestors of BLM? Yes. I don't agree with a lot of what they say, and I think a lot of their rhetoric relies on bad statistics, confirmation bias and conspiracy theory. But they were sold that information by irresponsible parties (far-left agitators and corrupt media), and were made to feel scared, victimised and in danger. (I agree with a lot of the baseline stuff tho, tbh, especially critiques of police brutality, and protests for George Floyd were 100% warranted, those cops are scum [all cops are scum, sorry, that's just my opinion at this point after what I've seen in both the UK and US].)
Do I sympathise with the peaceful protestors of outside DC, the ones who didn't try storming the Capitol? Yes. I don't agree with a lot of what they say, and I think a lot of their rhetoric relies on bad statistics, confirmation bias and conspiracy theory. But they were sold that information by irresponsible parties (alt-right agitators and corrupt media), and were made to feel scared, victimised and in danger. (I understand their perspective, a lot of the election stuff could have been iffy based on the info that came out at first, but obviously it turned out as a Nothing Burger.)
I would say to those firmly on the left to remember that your opponents are mostly just ordinary people. These are people who think that their democracy is being stolen from them, and they're scared. You can think them stupid all you like; that's fair enough. A lot of people are stupid (I'm stupid). But most of them are not Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, etc., even if you want them to be. The violent ones are an extreme minority, just as the violent Antifa types are the extreme minority on the left. Stop defining each other by the worst of you. Try seeing the good, and if not the good, then at least the human.
You guys need to start sorting your shit out, and stop engaging in further aggressive and divisive tactics, or else your country, and your democracy, is going to fall. Every democracy falls eventually. Do you want to live through that fall?
Anyway, that's my part. I know I'll be ignored or mocked for the most part, most of you hate my guts, but whatever, take from this what you will. I just wanted to get my thoughts out in a more coherent way instead of engaging in any petty nonsense. Okay I'm bored of typing now byeeee
No, because it was the British that started the violence with the Boston Massacre in 1770. If the BLM/Antifa or these current riots were in response to the government sending in the military and massacring civilians. I wouldn't have a problems with these riots either.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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Did you miss the part where I said the reasons behind the riots were different?
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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