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There's this picture I recall after the Nov 2018 election:

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They were not doing things to make latin immigrants home countries safer. They were doing the precise opposite of that.

https://nacla.org/news/usaids-silent-invasion-bolivia

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&...vBCWaZQtUuQRNls

Simply put, Trump's cutting aid/non interventionism is less destructive than Obama's public aid/clandestine destabilisation.


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Man you so right bwoooiiiii

Like chair Jaime Harrison

Or vice chair Keisha Bottoms

Or chief of staff Michael Tyler


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There's this picture I recall after the Nov 2018 election:

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Pretty much.

Do either of those look statistically representative?


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They were not doing things to make latin immigrants home countries safer. They were doing the precise opposite of that.

https://nacla.org/news/usaids-silent-invasion-bolivia

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&...vBCWaZQtUuQRNls

Simply put, Trump's cutting aid/non interventionism is less destructive than Obama's public aid/clandestine destabilisation.


I'm not sure whether that is in reply to me, but I do agree, Obama has also been terrible for Latin America, and in many ways the Obama immigration policy was similarly messed up but less visible. Obama is also directly responsible for the refugee crisis from Honduras for example. What I said though, and do believe, is that what Democrats say we should do (and then don't do) is the correct thing to do, and what Republicans say we should do (and actually do), is counterproductive and even more actively inhumane.

I'm still not sure what you are suggesting exactly though, what do you think Biden should do?

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I'm not sure whether that is in reply to me, but I do agree, Obama has also been terrible for Latin America, and in many ways the Obama immigration policy was similarly messed up but less visible. Obama is also directly responsible for the refugee crisis from Honduras for example. What I said though, and do believe, is that what Democrats say we should do (and then don't do) is the correct thing to do, and what Republicans say we should do (and actually do), is counterproductive and even more actively inhumane.

I'm still not sure what you are suggesting exactly though, what do you think Biden should do?



What things are those?


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What things are those?


The things that would help with immigration are foreign aid, not destabilizing foreign governments, not starting wars of aggression, not imposing unequal trade rules on third world countries, having a relatively open and attainable legal immigration system, not criminalizing undocumented immigrants, giving ways to attain residency to people in the country, things like that.

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I'm not sure whether that is in reply to me, but I do agree, Obama has also been terrible for Latin America, and in many ways the Obama immigration policy was similarly messed up but less visible. Obama is also directly responsible for the refugee crisis from Honduras for example. What I said though, and do believe, is that what Democrats say we should do (and then don't do) is the correct thing to do, and what Republicans say we should do (and actually do), is counterproductive and even more actively inhumane.

I'm still not sure what you are suggesting exactly though, what do you think Biden should do?


It's not that the Democrats say one thing and don't do it. It's that they say one thing and do the opposite. They actively and deliberately make the situations worse. You mentioned Honduras. I already brought that along with Bolivia, Haiti and Paraguay. They also actively tried to undermine relations between South American countries like Colombia and Chile to bring even more instability to the region. And all this was just under the Obama Administration so it's not unreasonable to presume Biden will continue to do as President what he enabled as Vice President.


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It's not that the Democrats say one thing and don't do it. It's that they say one thing and do the opposite. They actively and deliberately make the situations worse. You mentioned Honduras. I already brought that along with Bolivia, Haiti and Paraguay. They also actively tried to undermine relations between South American countries like Colombia and Chile to bring even more instability to the region. And all this was just under the Obama Administration so it's not unreasonable to presume Biden will continue to do as President what he enabled as Vice President.


Yeah, I don't disagree with that, but so do Republicans, like there's not much difference in foreign policy between the two parties. And I mean it's hard to say but I would say that Republican presidents, particularly Reagan and Bush have been worse in that domain than Obama and Clinton at least.

Again though, that doesn't say anything about whether ICE should destroy humanitarian food packages at the souther border, or whether there should be a largely pointless border wall, or whether immigrants should be labeled as criminals and rapists...

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https://amp.ft.com/content/b592364d...dd-5910c0a12146

^ Biden withdrawing support for War against Yemen.

So I thought we were going to regret this guy replacing Trump because of all the wars he was going to start. The type Trump would never support?

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Link doesn't work for me, but I found it:US to withdraw support for Yemen war in break with Trump


Joe Biden has said the US will end its support for the war in Yemen, marking a break with six years of military assistance from Washington for the Saudi-led coalition that is fighting Iran-linked rebels in the impoverished Arab country.

“This war has to end. And to underscore our commitment, we’re ending all American support for offensive operations in the war in Yemen, including relevant arm sales,” the US president said in a speech at the State Department.

Mr Biden also announced that he was appointing Tim Lenderking, a career foreign policy officer who has spent years working on the Middle East, as his new special envoy to Yemen.

“We are also stepping up our diplomacy to end the war in Yemen, a war which is [a] humanitarian and strategic catastrophe,” Mr Biden said, adding that his team would support a UN-led ceasefire initiative and the restoration of “long dormant peace talks”.

The announcement comes after the White House suspended arms sales to Saudi Arabia and put arms sales to the United Arab Emirates under review, in the first significant signal from Mr Biden that he intends to reset US relations with Arab regimes heavily
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Hey Biden how's those stimulus checks hows student loan debt what's the ****ing hold up


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Both are being argued now. The Student Loan Forgiveness of 50K was only put forth yesterday in the Senate.


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I say just forgive it, what's to argue


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And I don't even have a student loan to pay off I'm just that considerate


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I say just forgive it, what's to argue
The plan they put forth would forgive something like 80-85% of Federal Student Loans.


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And I don't even have a student loan to pay off I'm just that considerate



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I'm on the fence about student debt forgiveness.

On one hand, I think post secondary education should be paid by the student doing it....but on the other hand, I think what is happening in the US (and even Canada) is disgusting. Post secondary education should not be ridiculous expensive as it is because it almost an essential need in this workforce.

It's a complicated situation but I guess forgiving debts might be the best solution to start reforming post-secondary education.

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Problem is you spend a few years studying instead of starting a job and earning money.

And then you build up a load of debt on top.

The double whammy makes getting a degree more of a curse than a blessing in most cases.

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I think education should be free. At most it should have a reasonable, or symbolic fee for the student. It's better for society and for the economy that way.

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