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She, like many others are following Donald Trump's handbook it seems. They are just overlooking one thing: Trump's B.S. worked for a while, until it stopped. And everything has slid backwards for him since.

He and others might be appealing to their base, but that base is shrinking.



After Obama, we had Trump. After Trump, we put in Biden by a pretty slim margin for a dying party.


And lets be realistic about it, who do you think owns the media? Socialists?


Nope, greedy capitalism is the real power in the West. I doubt Jeff Zucker wants the Democrats to win on EVERY talking point.. Far from it. I bet he has an interest in keeping some Right wing talking points alive, being a greedy capitalist himself.


Frankly, if the Left wants a real win, they need to stop thinking in terns of parties, and start thinking in terms of policies. If the Neo-Liberals get in their way, walk over them. If you can't do that, leave the party and form your own.


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Odd, as Biden's percentage victory over Trump was greater than Trump's victory over Clinton.

Trump was the incumbent in 2020, he had a huge advantage, as only 10 incumbents had previously lost as of the 2020 election. Clinton did not have that advantage in 2016. She also won the popular vote too boot.


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Odd, as Biden's percentage victory over Trump was greater than Trump's victory over Clinton.

Also of note, Trump was the incumbent in 2020, he had huge advantage, as only 10 incumbents have lost as of the 2020 election. Clinton did not have that advantage in 2016. She also won the popular vote too boot.


Right, but Trump set records compared to 2020, while Biden blew past Obama's numbers. This was the highest turnout in US history overall.


You probably won't see this kind of political engagement every year.


The winning party isn't who has the most voters, its who can get their voters to go out and vote, and keep voting.


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Right, but Trump set records compared to 2020, while Biden blew past Obama's numbers. This was the highest turnout in US history overall.


You probably won't see this kind of political engagement every year.


The winning party isn't who has the most voters, its who can get their voters to go out and vote, and keep voting.


2020 had the highest amount of voter turnout in US history and Biden won it. How is that a plus towards Trump instead of Biden, if we're applying it as a plus to someone? Trump lost.

Since 1932 voter turnout has increased in most presidential elections. When it happens to dip, it tends to correct itself the following election. The trend is it that voter turnout goes up, not down.

Okay? Republicans have trouble winning elections, they rely on an antiquated system called the Electoral College which allows the person with less votes to win. They also rely on gerrymandering to gain in the House. iirc, it's only 1 state out of 21 where gerrymandering can sometimes help Democrats.


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2020 had the highest amount of voter turnout in US history and Biden won it. How is that a plus towards Trump instead of Biden, if we're applying it as a plus to someone? Trump lost.

Since 1932 voter turnout has increased in most presidential elections. When it happens to dip, it tends to correct itself the following election. The trend is it that voter turnout goes up, not down.

Okay? Republicans have trouble winning elections, they rely on an antiquated system called the Electoral College which allows the person with less votes to win. They also rely on gerrymandering to gain in the House. iirc, it's only 1 state out of 21 where gerrymandering can sometimes help Democrats.


That last point has an interesting wrinkle to it. Companies have been on a trend where they're turning away commuting and demanding their employees work where they live.. Which is often in major Democrat cities like New York.


Happened to my sisters very conservative live in boyfriend. Lost his job when he refused to relocate.


If enough companies do this, that can end up reshaping the suburbs, potentially.


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Biden won, and he’s a funny guy


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Biden is pathetic, and people are laughing at him, not with him.


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Biden won, and he’s a funny guy



He is funny. thumb up smile


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...and he did win. thumb up smile


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They will absolutely abandon Trump if he loses in 2020, he'll be a one-term loser and a greatly disliked President, that's not a legacy you want to tie yourself too politically if you're a career politician. Republicans will probably drag Reagan's corpse out again to soapbox from.


Today:

Former House Speaker Paul Ryan urges GOP to return to Reaganism, end Trump fixation

Former House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, a onetime rising star of the Republican Party who lost the battle over the soul of the GOP to Donald Trump, urged his party Thursday to end its preoccupation with the former president and revive its commitment to conservative values.



This is also step two to Paul Ryan declaring his run for President as predicted (I know, easy prediction). Step one was rage-quitting as Speaker of the House in 2018 because he saw his loss coming and wanted to distance himself from Trump.


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Paul Ryan is no saint.


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Paul Ryan is a bag of shit. But he's a predictable bag of shit.


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As Biden's presidency got underway, one of the first major legislative challenges was passing a massive COVID relief package. It was the principal focus for Democratic officials for weeks.

The expectation was that Republicans would attack it aggressively, just as they targeted Obama's Recovery Act 12 years earlier. But instead, GOP leaders on Capitol Hill focused their attention on Dr. Seuss. And Potato Head dolls. And a disclaimer Disney added to some episodes of "The Muppet Show."

It was an early reminder of the Republican Party's post-policy intentions: Democrats could focus on governing pesky details surrounding the pandemic and the economy, but GOP officials on Capitol Hill saw value in the politics of cultural grievances.

Politico reported yesterday:

"The head of Congress' largest conservative caucus is encouraging Republicans to embrace anti-critical race theory rhetoric, as the GOP looks to lean into the nation's culture wars ahead of the looming battle for the House. In a memo sent to members of the Republican Study Committee, its chair Republican Representative Jim Banks of Indiana said the 'backlash against Critical Race Theory is real.'"

The Republican Study Committee's unsubtle memo was quite literally titled, "Lean into the culture war." The document added, "We are in a culture war ... we are winning."

For now, let's put aside the fact that many of these Republicans appear wholly indifferent to what critical race theory even is. Let's also put aside the familiarity of the GOP coming up with some vague and nonsensical boogeyman—Sharia law, 9/11 Mosque, Common Core, Jade Helm, death panels—intended to fuel conservative media and keep conservative voters angry, afraid, and engaged.

What strikes me especially significant about the Republican Study Committee's advice to members is the party's wholesale hostility toward governing.

It's worth pausing to appreciate the qualitative differences between old culture-war fights and new ones. The GOP's traditional culture war focused on issues that had at least some policy relevance—which is to say, they dealt with issues that Congress could at least try to affect.

Vote for Republicans and they'll pass a a ban abortion. Vote for Republicans and they'll create new laws to prevent marriage equality. Vote for Republicans and they'll pass bans on pornography. Vote for Republicans and they'll mandate English as the official language. And so on.

Obviously, these were—and in some cases, are—highly-contentious cultural and political fights, but there was at least a correlation between the issues and those hoping to make federal policy changes.

This new approach to the culture war is different in that Congress couldn't ban the study of race, power, and institutions even if it wanted to. Similarly, Republicans couldn't spearhead a legislative initiative to force Dr. Seuss Enterprises to publish old books with racist pictures or regulate the gender identity of Potato Head toys.

None of this falls within the purview of Congress. None of these issues can even be conceptually addressed through federal legislation. Republicans are increasingly fixated on cultural grievances with no possible solutions in mind.

So why does the Republican Study Committee expect members to "lean into the culture war"? Because the party believes voters share these post-policy instincts.

We no longer hear Republicans saying, "Vote for us and we'll do something about the stuff you hate," rather, "Vote for us because we hate the same stuff you hate."


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they'll mandate English as the official language.


Perfect, make it so.

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Republicans couldn't spearhead a legislative initiative to force Dr. Seuss Enterprises to publish old books with racist pictures or regulate the gender identity of Potato Head toys.


People's houses are literally falling down while they're sleeping in them and some people would rather get angry at genderless plastic potatoes.


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genderless plastic potatoes.


whoa, post a trigger warning next time laughing out loud


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QTards Accuse Top Evangelicals of Sex Trafficking

Last month, self-proclaimed "prophet" and QAnon conspiracy theorist Johnny Enlow posted a "prophetic alert" on his Facebook page in which he warned that "many of our most famous pastors and Christian leaders are about to be exposed as sexual deviants, pedophiles, and worse."

We had no idea what that meant at the time, but now it appears to be related to allegations being put forth by a woman going by the name Madyson Marquette, who claims to have been a former adult film actress who was sexually abused and trafficked by several well-known evangelical leaders, including Kenneth Copeland, T.D. Jakes, Rick Warren, and even the late Billy Graham.

In the last week, Marquette has appeared on several evangelical programs that regularly promote QAnon and other right-wing conspiracy theories to level her allegations, including a recent appearance on the "Up Front in the Prophetic" program, which is hosted by full-blown QAnon conspiracy theorists Alan and Francine Fosdick.

Madyson Marquette also claims to have participated in military tribunals against Joe Biden, Tom Hanks, and Mike Pence.

Gotta wonder how much longer evangelicals will continue to embrace QAnon now that a former adult film actress claims to have been sexually abused and trafficked by evangelical leaders.

L-O-L


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Right, but Trump set records compared to 2020, while Biden blew past Obama's numbers. This was the highest turnout in US history overall.


You probably won't see this kind of political engagement every year.


The winning party isn't who has the most voters, its who can get their voters to go out and vote, and keep voting.



Trump got more votes than any other incumbent presidential candidate in history. Quite an accomplishment.


Actualy, he got far more votes than what they actually gave him credit for. Democrat operatives used Dominion voting machines and other ways of cheating to transfer tens-of-millions of votes from Trump over to Biden.

LOL @ anyone who thinks Biden actually got so many more votes than Obama did.


Again, Trump actually legitimately won. Stealing an election is not winning one.


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Last month, self-proclaimed "prophet" and QAnon conspiracy theorist Johnny Enlow posted a "prophetic alert" on his Facebook page in which he warned that "many of our most famous pastors and Christian leaders are about to be exposed as sexual deviants, pedophiles, and worse."

We had no idea what that meant at the time, but now it appears to be related to allegations being put forth by a woman going by the name Madyson Marquette, who claims to have been a former adult film actress who was sexually abused and trafficked by several well-known evangelical leaders, including Kenneth Copeland, T.D. Jakes, Rick Warren, and even the late Billy Graham.

In the last week, Marquette has appeared on several evangelical programs that regularly promote QAnon and other right-wing conspiracy theories to level her allegations, including a recent appearance on the "Up Front in the Prophetic" program, which is hosted by full-blown QAnon conspiracy theorists Alan and Francine Fosdick.

Madyson Marquette also claims to have participated in military tribunals against Joe Biden, Tom Hanks, and Mike Pence.

Gotta wonder how much longer evangelicals will continue to embrace QAnon now that a former adult film actress claims to have been sexually abused and trafficked by evangelical leaders.

L-O-L


So it seems all those "elitist pedophiles and deviants" QAnons are ranting about are once again internal laughing out loud


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He got a lot of votes due to population, and still lost. It wasn’t stolen, Biden got more votes. End of story.
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Trump got more votes than any other incumbent presidential candidate in history. Quite an accomplishment.


Actualy, he got far more votes than what they actually gave him credit for. Democrat operatives used Dominion voting machines and other ways of cheating to transfer tens-of-millions of votes from Trump over to Biden.

LOL @ anyone who thinks Biden actually got so many more votes than Obama did.


Again, Trump actually legitimately won. Stealing an election is not winning one.


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