So yeah, pretty much all the content from this guide was posted by Tempest here. That said, I still went ahead and uploaded the entire thing from front to back, just in case anything slipped through the cracks.
Oh confirmation that Snoke wasn't powerful enough to act as Palpatine's host:
"Although his body proved unworthy of containing my dark essence, Snoke's natural sensitivity to the Force would make him a powerful puppet nonetheless."
And:
"Snoke was a temporary measure at best. My faithful followers in the Unknown Regions still sought to produce a body worthy of my infinite might."
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appreciate you taking the time to diligently scan these things more carefully than I
ya, posted those scans earlier in the thread.
this is additional affirmation that the interpretation of the secrets of the jedi quote about snoke being ~ sheev is incorrect.
we have multiple sources that suggest sheev is weaker than he's ever been after his defeat at endor and only returns to full power after slurping down that sweet dyad juice from rey and ben.
snoke, for all his power, was never at any point a credible match for his imperial majesty. sheev is supreme, forever and always. <3
nah, it’s likely what other members said. There are 1619 things pointing at Vos being one tier above Ventress even as early as the first half of the novel:
-Vos defeated Ventress on Dathomir while being poisoned by a snake. It was training but Ventress was said by the narrator to be going for the kill
-Dooku literally says Vos is more powerful than Ventress during their first duel, before Vos got even more powerful
-Vos again beats Ventress when she tried to rescue him. Granted that, this time, she wasn’t going for the kill, but on the other hand Vos too was noted by Ventress to be very skinny and phisically not in a good shape. He had been tortured by Dooku for, I think, at least 11 days
And That’s ignoring his superior showings against Dooku. In their first duel Vos lasted longer than Ventress, and even managed to disarm the count while amped by rage. In the second duel Vos beat him on his own.
As others already said, either Sid miscalculated, or more likely by “impressive” he doesn’t necessarily mean stronger, but it’s related to other qualities (potential, ruthlessness etc). Or it’s just random SW hype. There are Jedi who got hyped as the best swordsmen of the order, but they still wound’s hold a candle to Kenobi for instance.
So given Luke didn't know Sheev was alive, he had to assume every dark side power being used to take over the Galaxy was being done by Snoke. Hence he massively overestimated Snoke's power in the dark side.
Even Leia says in TFA that it was Snoke who turned Ben to the dark side. But we know now it was Sheev all along.
The RoS VD implies that Luke at least suspected Palpatine was still alive: "Six years after the tragedy that befell this family, Calrissian served as a partner and guide to Luke Skywalker as the Jedi Master searched for clues to a growing darkness he detected in the Force... Whispers spoke of a resurgent enemy from the past."
But yeah, there is certainly no indication that Luke was aware of Snoke being puppeteered by Palpatine all along.
Though I do want to reiterate that Snoke was still an independent being, with his own personal power and connection to the Force -- as Palpatine himself notes in this guide: "Snoke's natural sensitivity to the Force would make him a powerful puppet nonetheless."
So the power Luke sensed from Snoke was still Snoke's alone.
However, Snoke's power was still inferior to the power that Palpatine possessed in his rotting/weakened clone body, as Kylo noted in the novelization: "But the Force itself belied any perception of frailty because a cloud of darkness and need swelled from the creature, along with power like Kylo had never before encountered. It was exhilarating."
So any way you slice it, RoS Palpatine > Snoke.
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Ya, thanks indeed guys.
I like that this book talks about events from all the various media sources- the Aeon Engine from the video game lore, Lord Momin from the comics, TWBW from the animated lore, and of course events from the movies. Just a cool nod to remind us that everything is connected.
I thought it was curious that Sidious commented that dyad users could pass objects through space and TIME. The time element was never shown in TROS.
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Kylo was not strong enough because he was always stuck between the light and the dark. If Kylo killed Rey it would have proven him strong, but Palpatine didnt think he would.
I still don't understand, because it seems like Sidious could only transfer his spirit into Rey. So if Kylo would have actually killed her, like Sidious originally requested, I'm unsure how he would have restored his full might? Still not quite making sense to me.
He considered Maul and Savage to be rivals as well, even though they were completely insignificant when he faced them one on one. I'd imagine it was the same kind of thing with Dooku- when teamed up with a powerful apprentice, like Ventress, he was also a potential rival..even though they would have been slaughtered by Sidious in a direct confrontation.
Sidious didn't want anyone to exist who could even remotely challenge his rule. Especially when his plans were so close to being complete.
That definitely seems to be the intent. If the Skywalker bloodline surpasses Sidious's bloodline, it definitely isn't by much.
So either that would make Kylo strong enough to be a host (assuming he eliminated all conflict), or hed be happy keeping Kylo as an apprentice in that scenario and find another body to transfer his spirit to.
"Studying his methods, I learned how to transfer my own consciousness, through the Force, from one moral vessel to another."
^ Now it's made clear plenty of times that the host vessel has to be powerful enough to contain his spirit, but not mentioned anywhere about genetics being an issue. Which makes sense, because if it was simply about genetics he could have just possessed Rey's Father years earlier.
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