Been really busy and didn't really respond to everything I wanted.
You just said you play PS1 games on your PSP/Vita though. It feels like you're just saying these things to be ornery, and don't actually believe them.
I agree with most of what he said, and think the "preservation" crowd should watch. I've said this before, but the games don't just up and disappear once a store closes. They still exist, but you can't buy them. It is perfectly preserved for historians and gaming museums though. That was what "game preservation" was supposed to mean, like with any other art form. It's there for documentation and not necessarily public consumption.
And he's right: it's almost a fake concern about games preservation anyway. The folks who complain aren't out donating to preservation efforts, helping retrieve game design documents, or contacting these developers. In fact, the emulation community does more for games preservation than nearly anyone else.
Additionally, game preservation efforts are primarily aimed at uploading games to computer databases. Digital is simply the best way to store them long term. You can duplicate, back up, and restore digital things. They're, objectively, much more resilient than physical media. If you truly care about preservation, you should embrace digital games.
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Is that actually true? I haven't owned a PSP in years, but I can't seem to find anything supporting that. I heard there was a bug that stopped games from being playable, but it was apparently fixed?
I also can't seem to find an example of this. You should be able to re-download any games you've purchased previously. That internal clock thing is just speculation, which even that site mentions. It would be really strange if Sony doesn't let you re-download stuff after the store closes, granted they've pulled dick moves before. FF7 Remake DLC comes to mind.
Microsoft probably handles the old, delisted digital games things best. You can re-download delisted 360 games to your Xbone or X/S with no hassle. If you have to do the DRM thing, that's the way to go.
In all honesty, I predict that will be the future. The digital era had some growing pains, but with backwards compatibility becoming the norm once again, I don't really see it being a problem moving forward.
Last edited by StyleTime on Mar 28th, 2021 at 05:22 AM
You're confusing digital games with Sony digital games. Again, this is only due to Sony's DRM practices. If you had the same game on GOG, it would be yours to duplicate, save, or do whatever else you wanted with it.
And even then, everyone is assuming you can't just redownload previously purchased games, despite Sony already allowing you to do that.
Yeah, but you're willingly eliminating your options, then blaming it on digital. I say you can emulate. You say you want to play on the "intended" platform(despite you playing PS1 games on PSP). I say you can emulate on your PSP, then you say it's dirty piracy.
But, even that isn't true. It's not "piracy" in any meaningful use of the term. If they remove your ability to actually purchase the game, then emulate away. Make no mistake: Once a game/system is no longer supported, the developers/publishers won't get any money from you buying a physical copy from some dude on Amazon. You'd just be handing $100+ over to a random schmoe who happens to own it.
PSNow also includes many old titles from previous consoles. Streaming old catalogue has become a bit of a norm too. Nintendo offers a service to play their old NES/SNES games. Companies could probably make at least some money uploading their old games to a database and charging a small rate like that if they want folks to use official routes. I'm totally willing to pay for convenience like that, especially for games I missed out on.
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PSNow is still around. It's certainly not perfect, and I don't recommend streaming reflex intensive games on it, but it's great for playing older RPGs and such. If you play reflex heavy games, downloading rather than streaming will help mitigate input lag if the game allows downloads. It doesn't have every PS game ever, but 700+ titles is pretty nice. Good option to check out titles you may have missed.
I sympathize there, especially since PSP games are harder to find. If Sony removes your ability to re-download things, then I will totally agree it is ****ed up.
Last edited by StyleTime on Mar 28th, 2021 at 06:22 AM
I'm saying... I WANT to play the official versions, I don't like hacking devices period.
I've owned several PSP's, PS3's, tons of gaming systems, I have never attempted to jailbreak, mod, or hack any of them.
This is mostly because I like things to be permanent, quick, and easy, and not have the risk of ruining my system ever.
About the Final Fantasy VII thing, it was from personal experience. I downloaded it onto my PSP, it was in the "Expired license" section (this wasn't a rental or demo), and I was not allowed to play it on there for whatever reason because the license had expired, I can try redownloading it again and seeing if it'll work this time but I can't imagine it would.
PS3 and PS Vita, for the record, worked fine.
Believe it or not I have played PSP games in less-then-legit ways, but without CFW (which you can do on PSP for free, it's how I first beat Ys: OiF), but I deleted em because it just felt... odd? One of the games corrupted my memory card tho, not fun.
Maybe this is just plain stupid, but I like to keep things legit, even if it's a major detriment to me financially.
Yes, I paid $99 for that copy of Ys Seven, and I don't regret it. -Shrugs-
Also yes, you could play them functionally forever, unless something happens to the company hosting it, however unlikely. "Do you realize how dumb it sounds to talk about Sony or whatever company shutting down?"
I mean yeah, but meh, I guess the problem is they SHOULD be public consumption, not for museums.
I really don't care how amazing VR experiences are or how outdated traditional gaming is going to get.
I agree there, believe it or not. I prioritize convenience, and the official games are generally more convenient to access. Exceptions exist of course.
My whole point in all this is that folks blame digital games, but the actual issue is shady DRM practices and stupid company policies. I only bring up stuff like GOG because it shows that DRM free digital games exist, and completely shoots down that idea that you don't own your digital game. If Sony decides not to let folks re-download stuff, then that is a Sony thing. Not a digital games thing. I would love to talk about improving DRM policies on major platforms, but I can't even get there when I have to correct misconceptions about digital games in general.
I think the need to "own" things is overstated anyway, but it's such a sticking point for the anti-digital side and they need to understand that it's not true. You can own your digital games, if certain platforms would stop being assholes. GOG (and Steam in some cases) is really setting a good example, and we need to pressure other companies to do the same.
Last edited by StyleTime on Mar 29th, 2021 at 09:30 PM
"According to a PlayStation Support blog, customers will still be able to re-download and play previously purchased games and video, and still redeem games and PlayStation Plus vouchers."
According to this, you are free to re-download your already purchased content after the store closes. If true, then
Last edited by StyleTime on Mar 29th, 2021 at 09:51 PM
A question comes to mind, would you be able to download stuff if Sony went under? That's the million-dollar-question for me. I know that's kind of a resounding "no".
...But I'd feel way better if there was some setting keep the ability to download should all go wrong?
True, but I imagine Sony would be acquired by a competitor in that situation. I don't know if they'd truly just up and vanish. Granted, I don't know what that would mean for the previously purchased content.
I'm hearing that anything with cross buy for PS4/5 will still be available to purchase even after the store closes.
I'm surprised a company would develop a new game for any of these systems, but Sony definitely should have given everyone a heads up. It seems only some developers were notified, which is odd. Definitely a dick move if Sony felt like they couldn't be bothered to tell those folks about the plans.
I'm talking about the things that you've bought on the PS3 store, I'm guessing the store will be active in some capacity after it closes. So you can do this
"customers will still be able to re-download and play previously purchased games"
I'm downloading FFVII on my PSP rn buddy, for the record I hope it does work! Maybe I just downloaded it when that bug was going on (I bought it and didn't really play it for a long time.)
Half-way through the download, so my fingers are crossed.
Pain in the ass getting on the PSP store these days, Last time i tried it out i had to go into my internet settings and change something just so it could ****en connect.
Tbh I just keep my router settings on WPA, it's really not as "unsafe" as you think, WPA2 isn't THAT much safer, the difference is hardly night and day. You could also set up a guest connection if your router allows for it. Going back and forth between WPA and WPA2 sounds too tedious for my liking.
Oh, and good news, you can still buy on the PSP store. I wasn't able to buy stuff on there for a bit so I figured they quietly removed the ability to do so, but turns out you can still buy on there.
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Mar 28th, 2021 05:01 AM
Thanks Scribble!
