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Gun control in the US

From a pragmatic point of view.


A few things stand out to me:

1. The whites have a lot of guns.

2. The strictest gun laws tend to be in places with a high minority population.


So Hawaii with its 60% Asian population, diverse places like New York City, all have very strict laws.

There's a disparate impact on who gets guns easier.


Add in the fact police are not considered reliable protection, and targeted killers usually bring guns..

I just wonder why you can't lobby for stronger gun control laws, AND maybe encourage vulnerable populations to arm themselves for their own protection?


I mean, you can do both. Go after guns, while also dealing with a reality that they are out there, and they'll probably be used against you. Why make it easy by disarming yourselves and let them have all the guns?


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Re: Gun control in the US

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Originally posted by cdtm
From a pragmatic point of view.


A few things stand out to me:

1. The whites have a lot of guns.

2. The strictest gun laws tend to be in places with a high minority population.


So Hawaii with its 60% Asian population, diverse places like New York City, all have very strict laws.

There's a disparate impact on who gets guns easier.


Add in the fact police are not considered reliable protection, and targeted killers usually bring guns..

I just wonder why you can't lobby for stronger gun control laws, AND maybe encourage vulnerable populations to arm themselves for their own protection?


I mean, you can do both. Go after guns, while also dealing with a reality that they are out there, and they'll probably be used against you. Why make it easy by disarming yourselves and let them have all the guns?



If you disarm a populace, the chances of revolution are much smaller.

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Because those in power doesn’t really care, they only pretends to care.

look at how they never talk about the countless gun crimes in Chicago from illegal gun owners in the hands of gang memebers.

At this point it’s just a game.

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Criminals don't follow the law.

Taking guns away from law abiding, low risk citizens, is not the answer to gun violence.


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Do Leftists believe gun bans will make guns evaporate?

Approximately 5 to 10 million AR-15 style rifles exist in America according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation. If we were to ban these guns outright tomorrow, would they just vanish into thin air? That is what gun law advocates seem to be suggesting by their rhetoric. Whenever we hear reports of a shooting tragedy, the TV, newspapers, and social media PR campaigns fire off in unison for bans on “assault rifles” like the AR-15. We are told that supporters of such bans are doing what is necessary to save innocent lives. But how does a top-down prohibition of a desired object actually work in practice? Violently and disastrously, according to every case example we have.

Leftists seem to understand the inhumane disaster of drug prohibition. Marijuana laws have not ceased desire for the substance. Incarcerating suppliers of marijuana has not made the substance harder to find or prohibitively expensive. Rather, a violent black market has opened up that has enjoyed monopoly-level profit margins thanks to the relatively uncontested market space government bans create. Thankfully, the American people are slowly rejecting the violence of banning an object of desire of like marijuana, but millions of children continue to suffer from lifelong separation from their parents for nonviolent choices. Today, families anguish in communities plagued by contagious spells of reciprocal violence all created by drug control laws.

So why do many believe that a ban on AR-15s would defy the reality of the law of supply and demand? Some have suggested government buy-back programs for citizens to turn in their guns for compensation. However, that will only work for people that want to participate. For many others, a ban on AR-15s will only create more dangerous, unnecessary situations for police and peaceful citizens alike. Far from stopping lone wolves from buying an AR-15, gun bans will only harm children caught in the cross hairs. Like Royal Wilson.

Royal Wilson is an 8-year-old African American boy living in Chicago. As he was sleeping, he became a victim of his city's gun laws. Suddenly, an explosion of flashing lights and bullhorn blasted the air. Royal and his family, including other young siblings, faced 31 police officers armed with assault rifles breaking into their home. The officers were acting on a search warrant based on a tip that there was an assault rifle in the house.

The only gun control Royal Wilson deserved that day was more control over government guns having access to his home for a nonviolent choice. What if Royal or his grandmother had made the wrong move in the chaos and triggered one of the dozens of officers to mistake them for a threat? What if he was playing with a toy mistaken for a gun? Where are the champions of AR-15 bans when it came to the assault rifles pointed by agents ordered to enforce a law against assault rifles?

Some cynical defenders of the status quo will try to redirect these questions to one centered only on race. Others focus on the excessive force Royal and his family faced that day in Chicago, as his 8-year-old frame stood outside his house handcuffed for an hour and a half in 37-degree freezing rain. Perhaps racial bias played a role in this case. There is not enough information available for this author to know. But if that is the only takeaway, then the act of violence against the Wilsons' humanity inherent in gun laws remains untouched.

Royal Wilson and his family were terrorized by government assault rifles for the victimless act of allegedly possessing an assault rifle. After the agents ransacked the house completely, they were unable to find any firearm. But the damage was done. The agents were simply enforcing another bad law voters demanded. Why do busybodies have the right to send police into dangerous situations against families owning guns? What if a family wants to own an AR-15 to protect themselves from the ravages of a drug war-torn Chicago?

No family, no matter their race, income, or zip code, should have to face the violence of government gun bans. Although the irony of government assault rifles facing down children in search of assault rifles speaks for itself, it would be just as immoral if the agents were armed with pistols. Owning an AR-15 in the house does not victimize anyone. Enforcing laws against an AR-15 owning family does.

If gun-ban advocates have their way, guns like AR-15s will not disappear. Violent gangs will just have a new cash cow market to corner. Psychologically disturbed would-be shooters will be able to find their weapon of choice from local black market channels the same way they find their prohibited drugs of choice.

The world would be a better place if everyone melted their guns away, including governments. In reality, guns do not disappear when we stomp our feet and scream “Ban!” They just become profitable products for gangs to sell to lone gunmen. Meanwhile, innocent families like the Wilsons are harmed by the foolish myth that governments have any ability to prohibit objects of desire.

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Just make the supply of bullets to the retail market illegal.

And control the mining, manufacture and sale of all ingredients used to make bullets.

Have a no questions asked Buy Back scheme for ammunition.

Do this for 5 to 10 years.

The End.

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Just make the supply of bullets to the retail market illegal.

And control the mining, manufacture and sale of all ingredients used to make bullets.

Have a no questions asked Buy Back scheme for ammunition.

Do this for 5 to 10 years.

The End.


Because it’s not like the government hasn’t tried that with alcohol and drugs in the past 50 years.

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You mean penis control or selective breeding!?

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Making things illegal incentivizes criminality.

If everyone was growing pot it wouldn't be a commodity.
If you make it illegal it's scarcity immediately sky rockets.
Very simple shit.

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Making things illegal incentivizes criminality.

If everyone was growing pot it wouldn't be a commodity.
If you make it illegal it's scarcity immediately sky rockets.
Very simple shit.


At the same time, I do think making hard drugs like meth and crack illegal a good thing.

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At the same time, I do think making hard drugs like meth and crack illegal a good thing.


Disagree, all drugs should be legal.


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Didn't Michael Moore say there were more guns in Canada than the US yet it still has less gun crime?


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You should be able to buy guns if you pre-register for their purchase. You can buy one gun, but you can only buy on one Tuesday in November, every four years at one predetermined location. (Same location for thousands of residents from your county.). You will need to present a photo id and a signature that matches (according to a random citizen assigned to look at thousands of signatures) the one you pre-registered with.

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Just ban them all ffs (with the obvious exceptions before someone gets funny and tells me alligators or bears can attack somewhere, but even then you just need shot guns).

But yeah F*** your constitutional rights on this one.

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I do think that certain restriction on guns, and perhaps the outright banning of certain types makes sense. But the mass shooting crisis in the United States has many more causes that need to be addressed.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Just ban them all ffs (with the obvious exceptions before someone gets funny and tells me alligators or bears can attack somewhere, but even then you just need shot guns).

But yeah F*** your constitutional rights on this one.


Fascist.

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I do think that certain restriction on guns, and perhaps the outright banning of certain types makes sense. But the mass shooting crisis in the United States has many more causes that need to be addressed.


Why does the banning of "certain ones" make sense?


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I love guns, don't own any, but it's fun to go shooting targets.


But I'd laugh my ass off if extremely strict Federal gun laws passed.


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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Just ban them all ffs (with the obvious exceptions before someone gets funny and tells me alligators or bears can attack somewhere, but even then you just need shot guns).

But yeah F*** your constitutional rights on this one.


That is such an idiot stance. You know a shot gun, does more damage to the body right? And it’s harder to save an individual that’s been hit from a shot gun round than a 5.56 round?

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I do think that certain restriction on guns, and perhaps the outright banning of certain types makes sense. But the mass shooting crisis in the United States has many more causes that need to be addressed.


Name a certain type of gun that needs to be ban that has not been ban already?

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