I like how you say "can include fighting people at super speed".
Because a lot of people pretend a character with blatant examples of super speed who never uses it in a fight, will not have super speed in a forum fight. Val Armorr the Karate Kid is a prominent example of this, regularly dodging Kryptonian level super speed, occasionally outreacting Flash level speedsters, and even dodging Impulse in the form of Speed Force Lightning while holding onto a lightning rod.
By all that, he should blitz the crap out of any street leveler or meta. But nope, struggles with Robin the boy wonder, must be a scrub.
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so how do YOU rationalize that? what's the PIS there? is it PIS when he fights a kryptonian? or is it PIS when he fights robin? how do you decide?
the sbp discussions taking place make me wonder about his punches 'reality-changing' ability too. would that ability be considered something you could use in a forum match? i've seen it cited any number of times. but the power is pretty random, and certainly when you look at the number of times he's punched something vs the number of times he's altered reality, the ability can be viewed to be very rare. fair play to call on a punch that we can't even predict the effects of...?
People use Batman to downplay high tier showings, though. When did something come into play where Batman encounters not counting? I'm not disputing you, I'm asking a question.
Example, me using Hulk surviving a all put punch from Galactus and then someone mentioning it doesn't count and it's PIS because people like Batman withstand hits from Wonder Woman and Superman.
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yeah, i've said this before but it could use some consideration here--if something happens over and over (ie, consistently) then it should no longer be considered PIS. imo. batman is a great example, as is logan. both have made entire careers out of battling people well above their tiers, and each does so with regularity. if it happens over and over, i don't like to label it PIS because to do so would render almost ALL their stories PIS. to me that makes no sense--how can we just discount so many showings? if it happens on a consistent basis, i think that should override the definition of pis. imo.
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that the writer can use--so you don't think it would be valid in a forum fight? the ability is purely pre-crisis-like in it's lack of logic. i tend to agree that it shouldn't come up in most matches. i wonder if it's anger related...?
To be fair, there's more of a disconnect when it comes to Logan and Batman.
When it comes to people like Hulk and Superman, these are characters that, by design, can be written as having no limits to what their power can do.
Whereas with Batman and Logan and Cap, etc, we're supposed to believe that they're underdogs with limits that should stop them surviving the things they do. They're well beyond the "street levellers are peak human" stuff that we see the likes of Green Arrow and such do. That's why they're a cluster****.
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