Im actually leaning towards Vulcan for more victories out of 10.
Vulcan controls all energy including psionic energy.
Telepathic or telekinetic assaults could be re-directed.
Vulcan could shutdown the electrical activity in Cables brain to kill him or manipulate it in order to depower him making him an easily disposable threat as he did with Rachel Summers.
Vulcans being underestimated here. Hes capable of interstellar flight, remotely taking control of and depowering multiple attacking Shiar warships through manipulation of their power cores and taking on the Imperial Guard.
Im leaning towards Vulcan. Some may disagree but at the very least its not the wipeout thats being claimed here.
The "amp" was him possessing the abilities of Darwin and the rest of that early X-men team(Petra and Sway) in addition to his energy manipulation powers. It didn't boost said powers, it gave him extra abilities to go alongside his own.
Rachels depowered state was present even when Vulcan wasn't even in the room. It wasn't something he had to be within close range to maintain.
As for when else has he manipulated electrical signals of the brain he went on to do the same thing to D'Ken, long after he expelled the additional abilities of his previous team, thus proving my previous point.
They were additional abilities, they didnt augment his inherent ability. That was never stated anywhere to my knowledge unless you have a comic book reference?
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After travelling thousands of light years through space crossing galaxies under his own power he is attacked by multiple Shi'Ar warships and is able to remotely transmit himself on to their comms systems (showing the vast array of energy wavelengths he can generate and control) before also manipulating the energy cores of each ship to shutdown and crash life support systems:
Can remotely manipulate energy within others as well even those who possess energy manipulation/absorption abilities:
Shortly after travelling through space and disabling warships he is attacked by the Imperial Guard. Neutron and Cosmo who are both super strength powerhouses who absorb and can channel electromagnetic energy. They attempt to drain Vulcans power and he manipulates the stolen power from within their bodies disabling Neutron and burning Cosmo to a crisp:
Whether its in his body, whether its in the environment or within someone elses body Vulcan has fine control over the full electromagnetic spectrum and more.
I've posted all these things many, many times. That was what Philo's joke was in reference to. This Vulcan fanfiction somehow manages to persist in the face of clear proof it's false. It's really strange. Does this happen for any other character?
I often wind up re-quoting my old posts, since it's literally the same issues being raised every time.
Rachel was recovering from the attack. It wasn't something he maintained at range. Whenever her powers started working again(albeit weakly), he had to return to her side to re-do the attack. It was 100% close range. It's like if I KO you, then return to punch you again whenever you start to regain consciousness.
And he's never done it without the amp anyway, which makes it moot.
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Again that isnt proof that his inherent energy manipulation powers themselves were amped. Every mutant has a Cerebro power reading. Vulcans reading would be higher as a result of possessing the powers of 3 mutants in addition to his own.
Your point about having to re-do the attack in order to renew its effects makes sense on reading the issue as opposed to just judging from separate and isolated scans i have saved i'll give you that, but the key point here is it was achieved by the manipulation of neurons, thats something Vulcan does and to a far more intricate degree far later in Uncanny X-men when he repairs D'Kens shattered brain functions taking him out of a coma.
That was after he lost the additional powers thereby proving my point.
Those were during his amp, but he didn't manipulate any psionic attack or energy here. Rachel was already powerless from the ambush.
The rest of the scans are things we already know Vulcan do though. I'm not disagreeing with him manipulating energy, or even having ranged attacks.
I'm saying he requires an amp and close proximity to brain fry omeone, at least someone powerful. In the D'Ken example, D'Ken is literally comatose in a medical room. Vulcan heals him, yes, but needed physical contact for that. Even if we stretch the feat to include shutting someone down, it's not battle applicable. His opponent isn't going to lie down while Vulcan touches their temples to concentrate.
That is also where the amp comes in. Yeah, that trick might work on a comatose flatscan like D'Ken, but it failed miserably on Gladiator.
I mention the D'Ken thing above, but Rachel's comment is not a Cerebro power reading. That's just Rachel detecting his increased power, which is supported by him doing these he's never replicated again. He was definitely amped.
That's kinda why he needed Oracle to protect him from Rachel for the rest of his career.
I think Cable beats him with TK alone too though, if I'm being honest.
But again that relies on supposition that the amp increased his energy manipulation powers as opposed to just making him overall more powerful just as a result of having access to 3 additional mutant abilities. Your point isnt actually verified however its a valid interpretation granted.
I think its moreso that to do something delicate that requires care or intricacy i.e manipulating someones neurons in order to depower them or to heal their comatose brain then its easier for him to be in close proximity.
In the same way we see telepaths able to read minds and fry brains from a distance, but when it comes to doing a deep dive into someones brain to fix a mental affliction they tend to do it in close proximity and place their hands on someones head as its more delicate work.
Two different things, an attack, vs a intricate application of power.
Electrical impulses are energy all the same. Given Vulcans demonstrated ability to remotely manipulate energy be it in sophisticated machinery or beings then for a brain fry or attack theres no reason why he couldnt do so without having to be up close and personal as per the telepath example.
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Him not utilizing one trick out of his vast repertoire in that one instance isnt proof that hes dependant on an amp to manipulate or assault brain neurons.
Beyond the amp he has demonstrated an ability to manipulate brain signals. Him not doing that to Rachel again is explained as after repeatedly being assaulted by it she adapted and was able to block it.
Thats your supposition. Vulcan generates electromagnetic energy and can manipulate ambient electromagnetic energy. He doesnt have a unique brand of energy like the Odinforce, power primordial or power cosmic. Once it was out of his body it was just electromagnetic energy. However his micro control and attunement was such that he was able to manipulate said energy within the bodies of his assailants who possessed energy absorption and manipulation abilities themselves.
Again, Vulcan has demonstrated the ability to tap and control external power sources. This is just a demonstration of the extent.
He was definitely amped in terms of his power set but what we disagree on is whether it bolstered his inherent energy manipulation ability. Theres zero confirmation of that.
Rachel built up a way to block him depowering her and shortly after he joined the Shiar she got access to the Phoenix Force which explains why he needed support against her.
Cable would need to use his TK indirectly to manipulate the environment and attack him that way because any direct tk or telepathy attacks would just get re-directed back at him like so:
Rachel points out it's an increase in power though, not just the number of powers. He also did something he's never proven capable of again, and even failed to do later. It's pretty explicit about it.
In real life, maybe. The comics depict these attacks as different though. Even with an amp, he still needed to be right up on Rachel to pull it off.
I'd say the proof is that he failed to do it. That was the point of the Gladiator thing. He's explicitly trying to manipulate him there.
The problem with that is that is requires more leaps than simply accepting what the comic tells us: he was amped and ambushed Rachel to pull that off.
I'd disagree here, as again, he failed right afterwards to do the same thing against Gladiator.
He didn't manipulate TP or TK here. Like I said, Vulcan fan myth. Rachel's powers were already off from the initial assault.
Even if they weren't, she isn't attacking him. Why would this showing indicate he can manipulate TK or TP?
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