Yeah, but let's be real too, what we've normally seen from Mjolnir (nothing can stop it as said by Thor and Odin), if Hulk tried to swat the hammer away, Mjolnir wouldn't have noticed and gone right through him.
Only other being we've seen stop or alter Mjolnir's path was Hella, but she's supposed to be stronger than Odin on some level and we know she'd shitstomp Kurse.
Also IIRC, the actual quote was that "nothing can stop it from returning to my hand". Not that nothing could stop it from hitting its target.
We have zero feats of someone (of superstrength) trying to swat Mjolnir aside and having zero effect on Mjolnir's trajectory. What we have is feats of characters trying to completely counteract its momentum like what Hulk and Hela did, but that's not the same thing that Kurse did.
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Okay, let me clarify. Kurse showed some basic H2H skills, but I didn't really care for them. They're clearly not the driving factor behind Thor's defeat in my opinion. It was Kurse's superior strength. Kurse was always intended to be stronger than Thor in the comics, so I don't know why you're so adamant about arguing this. Who do you think would win in a fight, Hulk or Kurse? Equalized skills and speed for the sake of the argument.
I don't remember a single instance of Loki blocking a Mjolnir throw tbh, but maybe that's because the fights between Thor and Loki are terrible and I don't want to remember. I do remember that Mjolnir was knocking the Destroyer around like a cheap hooker in the first Thor movie, however.
Let me put it this way. Thor is one of the more skilled fighters in the MCU. Being able to catch someone's punch in your fist halfway through the air is already hard enough to do against some random joe, to do so against a skilled fighter obviously takes a lot of skill. Kurse was able to do this to Thor.
Being able to duck underneath a punch, side-step far enough to the side that you end up on their blind spot, yet still be close enough to throw a mid-range punch takes quite a lot of skill, enough so that not all professional boxers are able to do so. For Kurse to be able to do that to someone as skilled as Thor, especially considering how bulky Kurse is, takes a lot of skill.
To be able to backhand a fast moving projectile coming from behind your back, that takes a lot of skill and quite a lot of reflexes too. I'm not saying Kurse is more skilled than Thor, but he beat Thor by a combination of his greater strength TOGETHER with his not inconsiderable skill.
Kurse may not look fancy, but that doesn't mean he isn't skilled. Remember that he was a trained warrior who's thousands of years old prior to his transformation.
Khabib Nurmagomedov doesn't look fancy either. That doesn't mean he isn't skilled.
If Kurse and Hulk fought, then I have no doubts that Kurse wins due to his greater skill. If their skill and speed were equalized then it's a toss up. Kurse seems a tougher since Thor's punches affect him less than they did Hulk, but at the same time Kurse doesn't have raw displays of strength as impressive as Hulk nor has he shown the same mobility as Hulk.
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I guess you don't understand basic vector arithmetic and what components cancel.
If you don't understand the basic concept of altering the direction of momentum by 90 degrees or more means canceling the momentum Completely then you shouldn't be debating this topic.
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It more or less is, involving stopping all forward momentum from the original throw/Odin magic.
If the hammer goes 90 degrees from the original direction , it no longer gains any distance toward the original direction. Zero. It’s original directional momentum has been completely stopped. Yay.
No, 90 degrees or more is considered COMPLETELY stopping the forward momentum of Mjolnir. Kurse didn't completely hit Mjolnir in the opposite direction (180 degrees) as I previously thought.
Yeah, ridiculous how they try so hard to pass this bullshit off.
Anyway, as for skill I'd list them as follows:
1. Thor
2. Kurse
3. Giantman
4. Hulk
In theory, Hulk should be more skilled than Giantman after his stint in Sakaar, but unfortunately the succeeding movies never gave him a good enough fight to showcase these skills. So based on feats, Giantman/Antman has displayed better skills.
Ok. So we're at least in agreement that Kurse didn't get Mjolnir moving in the opposite direction then yes?
Would you then agree that, had he slapped Mjolnir by 90 degrees or more, that Mjolnir would therefore not have hit anything that was originally in front of it?
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