Alright, even if I accept that as 100% true, the main question when it comes to really anything in the US isn't how it affects statistics. The question is whether individual liberties should be curtailed despite them.
Let's say we found out car accidents dropped 1000% by banning alcohol. I'd still argue against a ban on alcohol, for the reason that I believe individual freedoms trump just about anything. I mean, you don't know "I" will get into a drunken accident. Any more than you know I'd use a gun in an act of violence, or a suicide, or much of anything else.
So why should my freedom be curtailed, because someone somewhere will do all the wrong things? That shouldn't be my responsibility, and I shouldn't need to pay for it.
You may call this selfish, and it is. But you must also realize your logic can be applied on multiple levels for multiple issues.
Would you be ok giving up driving a personal vehicle for the environment?
Would you be ok with a ban on snack junk foods or soda's, for health purposes?
I mean, where is the line between what's good for the community, and what's right for the individual?
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MO has some of the most lax laws in the USA for purchasing a gun and we are ranked something like 5th highest gun violence state.......now granted most of the handgun violence is in KC and St louis but alot of that is due to poverty and large plots of abandoned housing due to said violence.
One technology I wish we used would be a grip that only lets the gun shoot with your fingerprint as an example (is this even available, I'm not sure.)
That's a great question. And probably only one that really should us any pause for enacting proper gun control.
Here's the thing though.
You assume you must always outright ban these things and that is an extreme point.
You bring up drunk driving but you're also ignoring that we have laws in place to prevent these things from happening. We also implemented things like Uber and Lyft into our social constructs to make drinking and driving much less likely.
So you can talk about those topics but you must do so with the idea that we are actively limiting those ideas as you speak right now.
So it's not a fair comparison because if we were doing the same things with guns they would already be much more restricted.
Also just because you want to be selfish doesn't you should be allowed to be selfish.
Generally it's a balance of how much your personal decisions effect the lives of others. And here is the thing guns to me are not a necessary part of our social lives. We should be limiting them.
Also it's not always about limiting personal freedoms as it about providing better alternatives. For instance with driving. I would totally take public transport if it were more reliable.
And in cities where that is the case you tend to see less pollution from personal vehicles.
We are also trying to limit the amount of the pollution by making vehicles more efficient.
So there is a lot to unpack in your statement but the simple answer to me is that guns don't fall into most other things.
They aren't vital for people to function. They aren't generally limited to only safe harm and by actively making them more widespread they actively create problems.
To me the best solution would be limiting guns to shooting sports and if your job requires one. All of which would need a healthy investment from the person wanting to participate.
Also the problem with comparing guns directly to alcohol like most drugs is that drugs are easy to black manufacture thus circumventing the issue. It's much more effective to legalize them and offer free counseling services to deal with the negative impacts of them.
Guns don't fall into that category. Most people don't take guns and develops an physical dependency on them. They aren't easy to manufacture at home. They require materials that can be made harder to get then what it takes to make alcohol and drugs.
There is no shooting withdrawal symptoms from guns as well.
Most people who are going to carry in Texas already do with or without a LTC. The only thing that changes on Sept.1 is you can carry it around in public places without a permit. People carry legally in their vehicles every day. People carry at their place of employment every day. People have them placed strategically in their homes every day. You will not be able to carry in a business that sells booze regardless. Fools do foolish things daily. Legally carrying a gun will not make it more likely that someone will get shot. Most people in this thread have the mindset that guns should be restricted. The assault weapons ban that was around a few years ago was limited to sales of new guns. It didn't do anything about guns already out there. It also just limited the magazine capacity. There was no restriction on the gun itself. If someone can't hit me witth 18 shots then he or she probably doesn't have much hope of hitting me with 9 from the same gun. If someone can't defend them selves with 18........
Most of the LTC class is concerning how not to end up in jail after you shoot someone.Don't believe me? Take one. Honestly, the shooting part of the LTC training I could probably pass with my eyes closed. Very close range with your own gun. Gun safety is taught in the home. No guns in your home. No need for training. Oops, your kid went to a friends house and friends uncle Eddie left his pistol there when he ran to the store for smokes. Probably should have taught your kid about guns. But Sharon's mom kept it in her purse. Little Billy pulled it out on his own. I know, these adults should have been more careful with their guns. That doesn't make anyone else less responsible for teaching their kids how not to end up shooting themself or someone else.
Interesting the difference of opinions.
There are almost 400,000,000 guns in private hands in the U.S. People aren't bad until after they do wrong. We going to just assume the worst about everyone and act accordingly?
Why would that be? Carry conceal usually entails training just about anywhere.
I mean, it's not like they're passing out guns like candy to anyone who asks.
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
The smart one's usually cover their butts before giving bad advice.
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
The point is that is going out the window next month: [i]"As of September 1, 2021, residential citizens Texas will be allowed to lawfully carry a firearm, concealed or openly, without a permit."
Texas has some of the most lenient gun laws laws in the country as is and now those people can carry their guns out in public without a single safety class under their belts.
You're potentially going to have wannabe heroes pulling of their piece when it's not warranted and what happens when a bunch of wannabe heroes without basic gun safety start flashing their guns.
Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage.
Does Broly visit the same store? If so, I see Imp as Wyatt Earp and Broly and Eon/Klaw as the Clanton's. It corrected Clanton's to Clinton's which in itself is hilarious.
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I breathe a sigh of relief, Broly challenging you to a gun fight is reduced greatly.
