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Wouldn't say it's contradicting since it was outright said on panel.


I looked at the four pages you posted. I didn't see them say what you said. Mind showing me?

And it's still contradictory. You can't have exponential growth while still being in milliseconds.


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I looked at the four pages you posted. I didn't see them say what you said. Mind showing me?

And it's still contradictory. You can't have exponential growth while still being in milliseconds.

Well, you can. It's just that for small t, exponential growth is pretty much indistinguishable from linear growth: exp(t) ≈ 1 + t (for small t).

Example. For t = 0.001 we have:
exp(0.001) = 1.0010005...
1 + 0.001 = 1.001
(Almost the same.)

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Well, you can. It's just that for small t, exponential growth is pretty much indistinguishable from linear growth: exp(t) ≈ 1 + t (for small t).

Example. For t = 0.001 we have:
exp(0.001) = 1.0010005...
1 + 0.001 = 1.001
(Almost the same.)


You and your semantics.


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Them leaving trails of light after their movements puts this above microseconds though. It's 100% above light speed because one of the contestants in this battle was using his maximum speed (light speed) and the other 2 were accelerating past that.


And yet we have a time frame that doesn't help your case. Unless light is just slow there.


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Relying on art alone is too dangerous.

Here, Hal Jordan is explicitly at the speed of sound (ok, slightly above, as he breaks the sound barrier). Note the light trail.

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So if I edited the words out, and we just looked at the pictures, as per the logic used, him leaving a light trail would mean he's superfast. But he isn't (not relative to comics, anyway).


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If leaving a light trail means lightspeed, Cannonball just got a massive upgrade

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More like Cannon...Lightball, am I right?

It's why Hal's nickname is "Highball". His speed is very high. How high? Nobody knows.


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More like Cannon...Lightball, am I right?

It's why Hal's nickname is "Highball". His speed is very high. How high? Nobody knows.


As fast as the Batwing, where you can clearly see a lighttrail behind it:

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Superman may also be capable of lightspeed; tbh, I don't know because he has no light trails behind him. But the Batwing is DEFINITELY lightspeed here, though.


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You all probably need to read the scan, lmao. You're trying waaaayyyy to hard without looking at the details of what is going on. Most of you, I've seen better....

https://ibb.co/JRwRXTp


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You all probably need to read the scan, lmao. You're trying waaaayyyy to hard without looking at the details of what is going on. Most of you, I've seen better....

https://ibb.co/JRwRXTp


So you tell me how fast it was, with proof. Light trails are not proof, as I have clearly shown just going over the speed of sound is enough to create a trail.

At the very best, it's h1's microsecond level feat - which means Thor can replicate it. At best.


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Instead of calling it trails, I would call it beams of light since that is obviously what it is. DENSE beams of light. These are beams of light created after their movement. Nothing in those wack mentionings, Cannonball leaving TRAILS from his blast or Superman flying around leaving images is anything close to what I've shown. They were mentioned leaving beams of LIGHT after their movement. DENSE beams of light. Try harder.


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You all probably need to read the scan, lmao. You're trying waaaayyyy to hard without looking at the details of what is going on. Most of you, I've seen better....

https://ibb.co/JRwRXTp
The feat isn’t leaving a light trail. The feat is moving fast enough so that the light trails all overlap before fading (all while fighting).

That sounds fast but is unquantifiable on its own. How long does a fictional light trail last in the sky? Is it instant or more like a firework? Nobody knows because it only exists in sci fi…

…except, as Darksaint laid out, the scans tell us that the light trails last milliseconds at least. So it’s a massive zigzagging fight across the sky over the course of milliseconds.

What in the scan contradicts that?

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Instead of calling it trails, I would call it beams of light since that is obviously what it is. DENSE beams of light. These are beams of light created after their movement. Nothing in those wack mentionings, Cannonball leaving TRAILS from his blast or Superman flying around leaving images is anything close to what I've shown. They were mentioned leaving beams of LIGHT after their movement. DENSE beams of light. Try harder.

Carver, you do know GL's powers are also light-based right?

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Instead of calling it trails, I would call it beams of light since that is obviously what it is. DENSE beams of light. These are beams of light created after their movement. Nothing in those wack mentionings, Cannonball leaving TRAILS from his blast or Superman flying around leaving images is anything close to what I've shown. They were mentioned leaving beams of LIGHT after their movement. DENSE beams of light. Try harder.


So what is behind supersonic Hal Jordan? What is that green stuff when he hits the speed of sound? Let me know.

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The feat isn’t leaving a light trail. The feat is moving fast enough so that the light trails all overlap before fading (all while fighting).

That sounds fast but is unquantifiable on its own. How long does a fictional light trail last in the sky? Is it instant or more like a firework? Nobody knows because it only exists in sci fi…

…except, as Darksaint laid out, the scans tell us that the light trails last milliseconds at least. So it’s a massive zigzagging fight across the sky over the course of milliseconds.

What in the scan contradicts that?


This. Whatever your attempt at highballing, the scan is clear - the entire operation takes place over the timeframe of milliseconds. Funky art, sure, and it looks cool - but the scan is clear cut.

Thor Slowdinson replicates it handily.


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"Leaving beams of light". Not leaving trails. I think theirs a difference in both.


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Carver, you do know GL's powers are also light-based right?


Yes. Please let me know what is your point.


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Dark is obviously trolling, lmao. Guess I don't need to respond to him on this.


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"Leaving beams of light". Not leaving trails. I think theirs a difference in both.


You are getting confused.

I am NOT using things like, say, Mjolnir:
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That's a trail. I am NOT using it.

I am using LIGHT BEAMS. GL's, specifically, at supersonic speeds:
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You're confused. Had I used Mjolnir in the above scan, you'd have a point. But I didn't.


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The Mjlonir scan, is that hard, dense, light beams?

GL attacks ARE made of light. We have beings that are PHYSICALLY creating light from their movements, LIGHT from their movement. Light BEAMS from their movement. They do not have energy attacks, none of that. They are simply moving so fast that light BEAMS from their movements are being generated. None of your scans apply.


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Green Lanterns are also light-based

https://ibb.co/0myfcrW

Also, Their beams are defined as lightspeed FYI

https://ibb.co/yy6Fb0L
https://ibb.co/D9q8hQn

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