thats why im for the protection of late term fetuses. i think the birth=life standard is as outrageous and defying of logic as the belief that sentient human life begins with a single embryonic cell. like, "ZOMG PROTECT THE CELL!!!!1"
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It can, but since morals are subjective, it's tricky.
Add into your calculations that many people find it morally wrong cos they consider the foetus to be something it factually is not, and you have one dead argument.
A) Into a FOETUS, that's the next step.
B) Where did I say that? I said cells nor foetuses deserve to be given rights of human beings, as they are not human beings.
No, but since you brought it up......The fact that comatose patients were ONCE sentient beings has no bearing here. They are not sentient beings anymore.
I have heard the argument that it costs a shitload of money to raise a child. That this is a reason as to why a woman should have the right to abort. What about the money it costs to care for these comatose patients? You think that is cheap? If they are not aware and feel no pain, who cares that they were ONCE sentient?
It is the reverse side of the coin. A group of unaware cells are OK to abort because they have not evolved into an aware conscious being. therefore comatose people should be OK to let them die because they are no longer aware.
You talk of what a group of cells aren't, so I talk of a coma patient who no longer is.
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Of course, what else would dictate it is wrong but morals? Are you arguing that abortion is right because of a scientific definition of an organism? How does that apply to morals and dogma's?
yes, a group of cells > into a fetus > into a human being. It is all connected.
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And your a fool, rule of the mob or a democracy is just as bad as despotism.
A government of the masses, authority derived through mass meetings or any other form of direct expression; results in mobocracy; attitude toward property is communistic negating property rights; attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate whether it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences; its result is dem-o-gogism, license, agitation, discontent and anarchy."
That sounds like a good Government to you?
Imagine being a minority in a government like that.
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A candidate is elected to office by a vote, in which the majority decides. This majority vote based on policies said candidate intends to enforce. This is a democracy.
It doesn't change what you said, it argues that basing decisions for the consensus based on personal beliefs is wrong.
Personal beliefs of the majority. Laws are there to protect, not infringe.
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Take for example, America's involvement with USSR. They'd most likely have been kept a communist society without the "invasion" as you say of American ideas...
it makes no sense because it would be the same as trying to justify killing someone who's sleeping. its a weak and fallacious analogy since the only true disposition of an unconscious person is that their brains are not currently operating at full capacity.
a ball of cells has no consciousness because it has no brain to be conscious and never WAS concsious. "p-o-t-e-n-t-i-a-l" means jackshit and has no bearing on whether or not it is the taking of an E-X-I-S-T-E-N-T life
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You're an idiot, know what you're talking about before you type or at least try and think it through. Every single one of your points is shit, I strongly suspect I'm debating with a twelve year old.
The presidential candidate who is elected stands against other candidates with other policies, this makes it a democracy.
No, all governments are not bad. because all governments do not restrict a physical action based on a belief what the person is doing is wrong, and murder, contrary to all scientific research.
No, not the personal beliefs of who is in charge, that is tyranny. Laws protect what the majority feel is important.
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Well, as an agnostic, and a liberally inclined person, I am very much pro-choice. I can understand the personal beliefs of those who believe that they are valuing life, but what pro-lifers have to eventually come to terms with is that we're dealing with a slippery slope. Overturning Roe V. Wade can only lead to Obi Wan saying he has a bad feeling about this. Or something to that effect.
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