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tsilamini
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... damn, catch 22

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Dunning-Kruger is my favourite thing in the world.

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What if Dunning & Kruger just are victims of their own Dunning-Kruger cognitive bias?

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Dunning-Kruger is my favourite thing in the world.

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he is a good salesman though...

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May 9th, 2011 09:15 PM

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What if Dunning & Kruger just are victims of their own Dunning-Kruger cognitive bias?

Hmm, if they were wouldn't their conclusion be wrong, and if it was wrong how could they be victims of it?

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he is a good salesman though...

Yeah, he's a great example of the peter principle, though.

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Hmm, if they were wouldn't their conclusion be wrong, and if it was wrong how could they be victims of it?

ha! the dual slit experiment of cognitive psych!

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Yeah, he's a great example of the peter principle, though.

lol, yes

man, my social psych classes missed out on some awesome stuff...

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ha! the dual slit experiment of cognitive psych!

More like thee Epimenides paradox of cognitive psych.

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lol, yes

man, my social psych classes missed out on some awesome stuff...

Were they banned from watching/analyzing the Office?

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More like thee Epimenides paradox of cognitive psych.

pfft, now you are just making names up

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May 9th, 2011 09:25 PM

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Were they banned from watching/analyzing the Office?

no, the courses just never focused on things like "here is why everything you believe is false and you probably will never be aware of it"

given how much trouble the students have internalizing Libet, I can't blame them

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Yeah, he's a great example of the peter principle, though.

My bad, I was thinking of the Peter Principle when red DK. I confused the two, guess I am a moron.

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pfft, now you are just making names up

No, no, I copy pasted it, I swear.

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no, the courses just never focused on things like "here is why everything you believe is false and you probably will never be aware of it"

given how much trouble the students have internalizing Libet, I can't blame them

Ah, that sucks. That sounds like the most fun part. Honestly I think http://youarenotsosmart.com/ should be required reading for everyone.

Hopefully to this effect:

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No, no, I copy pasted it, I swear.

Ah, that sucks. That sounds like the most fun part. Honestly I think http://youarenotsosmart.com/ should be required reading for everyone.

Hopefully to this effect:

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Love that cartoon. :-)

Thank you Bardock.

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well what would you define a person to be?

That's what I'm trying to figure out. People claim the fetus isn't a person, yet can't define a person.

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thats the beauty of his position

he never has to provide that, simply say that it is impossible, thus no abortion

is it unfalsifiable, a logical fallacy and a misconstruction of the burden of proof? of course. Is there any real way to argue against it? nope.

It isn't any of those things. If you want to claim the fetus isn't a person, you should at least be able to tell me what a person is. I'm not saying the fetus is or isn't a person. But you all seem to be alright with killing it regardless of the fact that you can't show me it isn't a person. There's something wrong with that way of thinking.

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It isn't any of those things. If you want to claim the fetus isn't a person, you should at least be able to tell me what a person is. I'm not saying the fetus is or isn't a person. But you all seem to be alright with killing it regardless of the fact that you can't show me it isn't a person. There's something wrong with that way of thinking.

indeed, like I said, you have a profound misunderstanding about how the burden of proof works.

If I said there were an 8 legged dog, it is not up to you to prove that 8 legged dogs don't exist, but rather for me to prove they do.

If you believe a fetus is a person, it is not up to me to prove it is not, but for you to prove it is.

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May 9th, 2011 10:51 PM

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Ah, that sucks. That sounds like the most fun part. Honestly I think http://youarenotsosmart.com/ should be required reading for everyone.

oh, I agree, its just, you know, profs don't want to alienate a large portion of the class

though, I sort of disagree with that whole principle. Psych tells us they would consider themselves part of the "knowledgeable" for whom this isn't a problem, because, you know, they are smart psychologists

like, we all wish the XKCD comic were true, however, it is way more likely that hearing it out loud would simply reconfirm how sure they were about it

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That's what I'm trying to figure out. People claim the fetus isn't a person, yet can't define a person.

I can't define a chair by its features exactly. Some chairs have four legs (some have none), some have backs, some are squarish and some are round.

I can however tell you that this is not a chair:

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