lets take things like tp or body control out of the picture. my intent here was to see if marvel has the power to straight up overpower zamasu to take him down.
So he once possessed Cyclops and was fighting Storm. Storm killed him, he laughed and jumped into her, then was eaten by the Panther God who was hiding in Storm's mind. Then Storm gave first aid to Cyclops who came back to life.
In short - if his host is killed, he just body hops (like Deadman). Complete destruction of the host body? Not seen anything about that, but it's not like he returns to that body.
So just punching and energy blasts?
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Last edited by DarkSaint85 on Oct 21st, 2023 at 05:44 PM
If you're just looking for someone/thing in Marvel that could perma-kill Zamasu, then It's like I said in my first post: you'd probably need the UN or IG.
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I think it'd be funny if Marvel had a special unofficial "Year of Squirrel Girl" where the heroes get their ass kicked though multiple giant events only to have Squirrel Girl bear them off panel in the last 2 pages of the arc. As ridiculous as the premise is on the surface, it be a fun way to let the villains beat their typical heroes and prove they're legitimate threats without backing the writers into a corner
Well the IG essentially makes you God within your universe. So I'm assuming that level of 'authority' would be sufficient to override a wish from the Super Dragon, and kill Zamasu.
Oh Zamasu was a complete genocidal megalomaniac. So the PS would likely effect him, but I don't know what'd happen after. /shrug
That said, I doubt Zamasu would actually be able to kill himself, as he was granted true immortality by the Super Dragon -- and as far as we know, Zen-Oh's erasure was the only force in DB that was capable of perma-killing him. As I mentioned earlier, Zamasu was beyond even Beerus' ability to outright destroy.
Mindphuckery and the like would work. Some sort of esoteric containment might work as well(until Zamasu went 'ethereal-mode', at least), but those tactics seem to be off the table here.
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but isn't zeno literally THE god in dragon ball? the ig might make you the most powerful being in the universe, but it doesn't literally make you THE god in marvel. so i'm not sure how that authority compares?
You're correct in saying that within the world of DB, Zen-Oh is at the absolute top of the hierarchy: https://ibb.co/4YTb4Jz
But he is nowhere near the level of the Supreme Being(as Marvel/DC have depicted them.) Zen-Oh is neither omnipresent, omniscient, or omnipotent(in the true sense.) Zen-Oh's biggest(and perhaps *only*) claim to fame is his ability to casually erase absolutely anything in the DB multiverse. That is why everyone(even Destroyers) are scared shitless of him.
However, even Zen-Oh's erasures can be undone by a wish from the Super Dragon: https://ibb.co/jV5f8gx https://ibb.co/w7H62Rc
And if his erasures can be undone, then his power isn't truly absolute... Which further indicates that he isn't Supreme Being-level. I like to think of Zen-Oh and the Super Dragon as opposite sides of the same coin: whatever the Dragon creates, Zen-Oh can destroy(and vice versa.)
Anyway, trying to compare manga to comics is often a futile endeavor(especially when discussing hierarchies or w/e.) Regardless, the IG generally puts its user at *the* top of the totem pole within their universe -- giving them absolute mastery over ALL aspects of reality(to the point where even the UN's energies can be manipulated with an incomplete IG.) That said, I see no reason why it wouldn't garner the same level of 'authority' that Zen-Oh wields within DB..?
...Or to put it another way: if the IG user wanted Zamasu dead, and then gestured to make it happen, I don't see that just... Bouncing off of Zamasu. If Zen-Oh was able to perma-kill him, the UN and IG should be able to as well. /shrug
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 21st, 2023 at 10:56 PM
No, Dragon Ball more or less consists of a linear scale of green lantern powerset dudes (I say green lantern rather than flying bricks because their physical capabilities are ludicrously below their power output; Goku in the Buu Saga literally needed to go Super Saiyan to be able to move with ten ton weights on his arms and legs, this is a guy who can destroy planets who has trouble with Spider-Man tier weights) who just scale above one another but very rarely show more versatility. Actually honestly calling them green lantern-esque isn't really accurate either: your average green lantern is considerably more versatile than most DB fighters.
Zeno is the ultimate example of this, literally just being a dude with a presumably extremely high power level who can destroy more stuff more thoroughly than anyone else. But IIRC he actually has demonstrated less finesse or versatility with his power than the Angels who are subservient to him or even the Kais well below him. I think it's even implied that he's not really much of a fighter himself and actually has trouble following the faster fighters in-universe despite dwarfing them in power.
He'd get folded by any cosmic in Marvel who is in the same general weight class because they simply have vaster powersets than he does. And as Galan pointed out, ultimately DB is a rather small Multiverse, with just 12 (formerly 18) known universes he can destroy.
Oct 21st, 2023 05:39 PM
hard to argue that.
