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Robtard
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So it's settled, Namor takes this. Glad we're all in consensus thumb up

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^^^Done.

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You basically ignored what I said. I just proved that I didn't. Reread the part about the beam slicing through all materials (aluminum and window) at equal speed. An all-aluminum makeup would have resulted in the same duration of time.

Imagine a sweeping laser vaporizing a series of 10 lined-up blocks, 8 made of aluminum and 2 made of acrylic glass. The beam sweeps through the aluminum blocks at the same speed as the acrylic blocks.

Therefore, replacing all the blocks with aluminum blocks means the beam would vaporize all 10 blocks in the same amount of time as the previous mixed set of 10.

But the energy required would not be the same, to laser through 8blocks of aluminium+ 2 blocks of acrylic, Vs 10 blocks of aluminium (your initial assertion).

So your original post about his HV being able to go up to 20,000 degrees C is grossly inflated, as I said.

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Double post

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But the energy required would not be the same, to laser through 8blocks of aluminium+ 2 blocks of acrylic, Vs 10 blocks of aluminium (your initial assertion).

So your original post about his HV being able to go up to 20,000 degrees C is grossly inflated, as I said.

The logic might have been unclear. Let me simplify it further.

Line up five blocks in a row from left to right on a flat surface. Have a laser sweep at a constant speed from left to right, destroying them one at a time over a total of 5 seconds.

What's the rate at which the laser, moving at that speed, CAN destroy blocks lined up in a row? It's 1 block per second, right?

Now, repeat the process but remove the middle block.

What's the rate at which the laser, moving at that speed, CAN destroy the remaining blocks? Is it 0.8 blocks per second or still 1 block per second?

Did removing the middle block change the rate of the CAN ?

If you say yes, then you're either mistaken or not understanding the concept. Removing a block does not change the rate at which the laser CAN destroy blocks.

If this is still unclear, just calculate the destruction of the first block in the first second to achieve the same rate.

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But your entire post on the temperature was predicated on the HV melting X volume of aluminium in Y time.

My point is that the X volume of aluminium is too much. Thus, the temperatures reached is grossly inflated.

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Btw is there any evidence he can change the temperature of his HV? Like lessen the temperature if he wants to hold back? Or increase the temperature if he's going all out?

If not then it's just 500 degrees as stated on the animated show.

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He's used it to heat up bottles of milk before, so I'd assume so.

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He's used it to heat up bottles of milk before, so I'd assume so.

Ah okay.

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Ah okay.

And not only that. He can slice people apart easily even through helmets and kevlar, but used a weakened blast to slowly kill Stillwell in S1 finale.

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But your entire post on the temperature was predicated on the HV melting X volume of aluminium in Y time.

My point is that the X volume of aluminium is too much. Thus, the temperatures reached is grossly inflated.

Bad logic (your conclusion does not follow from your premises).

Aluminum is too much as well as the time.
I counted the time where the HV was hitting the window.
I proven that the rate stays the same.

Fill in the window with aluminum and count the time
Or
Keep the window and subtract the extra time to achieve the same result.

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Bad logic (your conclusion does not follow from your premises).

Aluminum is too much as well as the time.
I counted the time where the HV was hitting the window.
I proven that the rate stays the same.

Fill in the window with aluminum and count the time
Or
Keep the window and subtract the extra time to achieve the same result.

But the amount of energy required to melt acrylic is much less than that of aluminium.

So the rate staying the same means nothing. Walk us through your calculations, like you did in the other thread. Start with assumptions etc. This is the only way to help you see your mistake.

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But the amount of energy required to melt acrylic is much less than that of aluminium.

So the rate staying the same means nothing. Walk us through your calculations, like you did in the other thread. Start with assumptions etc. This is the only way to help you see your mistake.

Lack of understanding.
The HV was melting the aluminum at a specific rate.
The energy involved is irrelevant.
It's all about the rate.

I never calculated the total energy at all.
Where do you get energy from?

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