Apparently Skynet knew little about Connor`s mother except the city. It would be hard to track the family history back any further, especially in time periods where computers aren`t involved.
Instead of concentrating on John look at Sarahs age. The Tomb stone says she was born in 1959. In T-2 the pychatirst says she is 29 which would make T-2 set in 1988 and would therefore make John only 4. I think someone has f**ked up somewhere.
It is inconsistent, but each movie does feature a somewhat different timeline to the previous one. All the time travelling means that there are seven different timelines at work.
From What I have read here is that,
1) The Original terminator turned up in 1984, Sara Conner was 19,
DOB 1965,
2) John Connor born in 1984,
3) T2 happened in 1994, since original judgment day happened 1997
AND Skynet took 3 year's to become sentient,
AND Sara Conner is 29 as described by Dr Zimmerman
4)T3 take's place ON 24 July 2004, John conner 20,
5)The date on the tombstone is to prevent Skynet from Knowing Sara Conner's real age, Therefore making it a mission for The Terminator to find Sara quickly in T1.
Pick the movie apart and find even more inconsistencies, like the T-X cutting through the particle accelerator's vacuum chamber.
Umm a few posts back people are complaing that Mostow was the reason for these inconsistencies. If you actually looked at the credits you will release that HE did not write the screenplay or the story. So blame the writers not the director.
In relation to the Terminator time line, it is a hopeless mess, and has been long before Mostow or Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines came along. I once sat down to try and go through the time line myself and it gave me such a headache I was on the verge of mental stress. So to a degree Samas-adian, I agree with what you've said above. BUT...
I have read countless number of interviews before and after T3 was released where Mostow has been quoted as saying: "I'm making this film as a fan of the franchise...I'm making it as I would want to see the third Terminator movie..."
What the eff? Eh? So OK, the third Terminator movie was a movie made for the fans, by a fan of the Terminator franchise? Did Mostow read the script that had been written by someone else (not him like you stated)? Did he not question some of the concepts/story development of the third script? The obvious being when John Conner says: "When I was 13 they tried again. Machines from the future." What this line is trying to state is JC was attacked in his teens by the T-1000, and that is not the case because everyone knows he was 10 in the second movie...Every fan that is...So why didn't Mostow know this? Him being a fan and all?
Don't give me the old "He was 13 so the Conner/Brewster making out story could exist" line...I would have preferred it if that had been left out of the movie.
What about how Mostow directed (because he was the "Director" of the movie right?) the actors? He didn't do a very good job! I'm not going to get into that here because it has no relevance to the T3 time line. What I'm saying is whilst the story line had nothing to do with Mostow, directing that poor story line had everything to do with him and he should be held accountable for that. Fan of the franchise? Whatever!
ALIC88- THE SIMPLE WAY 2 PUT IT IS THAT THEY MADE A MISTAKE. that's all there is 2 it
Thank you! Findly someone who gets. They Fuked up you guys. T2 was set in 1994. If you look at the monitor in the police car when the T-1000 is looking for his file it says age 10. So basically Cameron skrewed up by casting someone when he was way to old. Either they screwed up in T3 or they tried to compensate, that is why Kate refered to last seeing John in Junior High.
Yeah John was 10 years old in T2 but when the T-1000 looks up John's details in the police computer it says John was born in February 1985...1985 + 10 years = 1995...So T2 could not have been "set in 1994" like you stated OB1-adobe if John was 10 years old in T2.
Yeah I know, Its all a mish mash of sh*t is'nt it. Hey if none of you guys know already, if you want to know the date in which T3 takes place go to the scene where he steals the truck after taking the strippers clothes. He looks at a watch, and if you slow frame you will see what the date is when he doing that infrared terminator vision thing.
I've done some searching, and I've just got done watching the first movie. It clearly says in the beginning of Terminator that the year was 1984. Now I've found a timeline on the internet @ The Terminator files dot com which apparently follows the movies and the books (or possibly just the books). It says that T3 takes place in the year 2005 rather than 2003 when it was released. It also says T2 took place in the year 1995, being that John Connor was born either 84 or 85, that would make him 10 or 11 in T2. Now, in T3, Katherine Brewster said John left the day after she and him made out in Mike Kripke's basement. But she said that happened when they were in 8th grade. The minimum age for someone to be in the eigth grade would be 12 or 13.
Conlcusion.....Somebody fuc|<ed up.
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I've read all the above posts with great interest, and you're all right: somebody messed up {specifically the writers and {to a lesser degree} Mostow for not noticing these things since he claims to be a "fan"}. But let's not allow this to spoil our enjoyment of the films, eh?
Oh, and U? Heh - I'm afraid I STILL don't agree with you about the so-called "poor" acting ...
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Hi, guys, I just registered to this forum, because I couldn't stop thinking about these questions you're asking here. Let me explain some facts about these movies.
First off, Terminator 1 takes place on thursday, 12. May 1984 in L.A.
Second, Terminator 2 takes place in the year 1995. This fact is not shown in the movie as far as I know, but in the beginning as T-1000 kills a cop and uses his car computer to search for John's whereabouts, you can see that John was born on 28. February 1985 (he's 3 days younger than me then, maybe I'm the chosen too, due to the fact I too cannot balance my checkbook ... I'm kidding you here) and that he is 10 years old, male, caucasian. So. The first calcualtion we make is simple: 1985 + 10 = 1995. Now we all know movie was brought to cinemas in 1991, but the actual story is apparently going on 4 years after, unlike the first film, where the year 1984 was mutual for both story and release of the film.
Now for the last thing. No, I'm not going to explain any true or untrue flaws imported by the last film, that is Rise of the Machines, because in my opinion the film really sucked. Jonathan Mostow decided that Sarah had leukemia. That fact was never put into original story. And you all must agree with me that this new film will never be quarter as good as 1 and 2. Such an inexpirienced director should not be allowed to direct such a great story. I'm surprised Cameron agreed. So, to summarize, all I can say about the story is that Judgment day was said to be on august 29. 1997, but since they destroyed Cyberdyne, this date does not mean anything now. By destroying Cyberdyne they prevented Judgment day from happening (although Jonathan would say they only postponed it). In either case Judgment day does not happen in 1997. In general Terminator 3 film sucked, it actually isn't a serious film but merely a comedy as Arnold is always swaying with his witty remarks. As long as the film has GREAT visual effects, people think it is really good. Couldn't think of a worse screw (not to mention the new Star Wars). I liked the coffin stuff though. And I liked the end. But that's about it.
If I've been unclear in any topic, please do ask again. Have fun. ^^
The Terminator is a model 101. He is not T-101. Before this model, there were models with rubber skin called T-600. This Terminator is a T-800 subcategory 101. Then we come to T-1000. The TX should really be marked as T-1200. Have fun. ^^
Oh and by the way, I totally agree with Ambarturion's and U Neek's remarks.
Nowadays directors think that if the visual is great, then automatically the whole film is great. Now that is one crucial mistake I'm pointing out here. Let me just tip you with one advice. Do not try to understand the flaws and anomalies that were created by the T3. Because they are just Mostow's faults. He hadn't thought the facts through enough and now we have to bear his work and accept it? Never. By directing the 3rd Terminator he shaded the other two. A disgrace. I say it should be redone again. By a more experienced director that is, of course. I own T1 and T2 only. Never will I accept T3. Not in a messy state as it is at the moment. As far as I am concerned, the story ends with Terminator sinking into the steel. And that is an event to remember, not some wussy-witty Arnold joke talking, kidding while the world is running out of time. Cheers! ^^
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