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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
OH please with the crap. I been saying DS was abstract lvl since I been on this forum and you among others have talked much shit about me.

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Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Trickster isn't correct, neither is Draco, neither are you.

And that's the end folks.

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Originally posted by Martian_mind
And Draco did a better Job.Don't feel bitter,turn that frown upside down

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Eh Morri.. we'll see Astro... not to much to say... I agree mostly with Astro sentiments even.. the Seven Soliders was indeed an interesting but, mainly... I believe this argument to somewhat base in exaggerated claims.

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I really don't see how

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adds up to "Darkseid is projecting avatars." Looks to me like Spectre couldn't kill him for good because a force higher than Spectre decided Darkseid is necessary.

Here is the next page of the Vykin talk with DS's avatar:

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Combine it with the previous page:

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I didn't read the whole KMC thread.Am I missing seeing something over there? Or is his current argument here as groundless as an old Wonder Woman one of his we talked about a few months back?

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Quote from: Terman8er on Today at 09:32:32 PM
What I am pointing at, mainly, is that he has shown that Highfather and Darkseid entered the Source, physically...how long ago and apparently either can't come out, haven't come out or at least not yet.

Right, and what I'm refuting, mainly, is that his evidence is not honest. The instance in which Highfather and Darkseid entered the source was retconned immediately after it happened, by John Byrne.

They were never IN the source THAT time (presumably they found a way to fix it some other way).

Thats the example he is using. And he is wrong, and it is false.

Later, both Darkseid and Highfather entered the Source - HIghfather was killed in it, Darkseid was trapped in it.

Darkseid escaped. Explicitly removed from it. No if's, ands or buts.

The example he gives - of Highfather existing even after he supposedly died in the Source, thus proving that people can create avatars from within the source - is inherently flawed because we know that Highfather has appeared in a lot of different places (JK4W, to ressurect Supertown, as a member of the Quintessence, etc), and had a different connection with the Source than Darkseid does/did.

So what I'm saying is...all of that is false.

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Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I thought I was done. Guess not.:

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He isn't a viable source. He is saying that Highfather has a different connect with the source than highfather when that is not true. It has been stated directly on panel that together they are the balance to the source. They are connected equally and oppositely.

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Very intersting, looking forward to a rebuttal

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Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Did you read the part where he said

RETCONNED!



Meaning that was false.

Not true.

A LIE

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He isn't a viable source. He is saying that Highfather has a different connect with the source thanDS when that is not true. It has been stated directly on panel that together they are the balance to the source. They are connected equally and oppositely.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Even then, It is shown that The source considers DS very important. How do you explain why the source would keep DS alive? Or how do you explain that DS was able to create stayne who taps the very same opposite side of the source that is DS? You can't. As highfather was able to create Takion who taps his side of the source so does stayne tap DS side of the source. Seems like the retcon means the big donut looking at all the evidence.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Even then, It is shown that The source considers DS very important. How do you explain why the source would keep DS alive? Or how do you explain that DS was able to create stayne who taps the very same opposite side of the source that is DS? You can't. As highfather was able to create Takion who taps his side of the source so does stayne tap DS side of the source. Seems like the retcon means the big donut looking at all the evidence.

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Originally posted by Desaad
they definitely have different conxions to the source.

if darkseid is 'one' with the source like highfather is, why is he always trying to get into it? why can't he call upon the unifiend to help him like it does highfather?

there conxions are clearly diff.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet the source will not allow DS to die. Seems that DS clearly has a very important role to the source.

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Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Nvr, do you know what a retcon is? It means that part of the storyline actually didn't happen at all.

That's like saying that pre and post retcon Molecule Man are the same and are the same powerset.

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Originally posted by Desaad
being important to the source is not the same as being highfather.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet the source will not allow DS to die. Seems that DS clearly has a very important role to the source.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Highfather is very powerful, but if he were more powerful than DS as you suggest, he would have dispatched of DS long ago.

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Originally posted by Desaad
spectacular.

show me where anyone said that darkseid wasn't important to the source.