Also, when talking about "raw power" people often confuse lifting strenght with the force of hit. In terms of lifting strength SNK guys for the most part are not that impressive (Captain America level), but the power of their hits/punches is devastating. That's where chi-amping comes into play... For example, Terry's lifting strength is peak human (Captain America level), yet the force of his hits is in 5-10 tons range at least (he destroyed giant boulder with the punch once).
Lifting strength and the force of hit aren't the same thing. Speed and energy amping affect the force of hit very much... Just to avoid misinterpretations.
I haven't read a comic with Psylocke in it in years...did she get a massive upgrade with it or something? Last I remember, she used it as a stabbing weapon around her hand.
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What kind of TK feat has Psylocke done? Has she done somethin on par to say Emma/Dane/Jean in TK department? Ie.. Lifting a house, stoping a plane or copter mid flight and lifting it..
Human torch heat absorbs kinda make it a uneven not to mention mach flight speed make it a spite..
Against Orochi, Kusanagi/Yagami flames are quite effective. It is its weakness, Also Terry/Andy and the likes have withstood/absorbs this flames, somethin Human torch could easyly be capable off..
Im not really inclined to think that the Kusangi flame is mystical in nature in a similar way as of the Marvel Universe, more like a mutant power. You know it being inhereted/passed down through generation via DNA. + Its been copied, replicated and fused to diff. people (Hardly diff. to control)
Psylocke TK I really dont know how powerfull she is?
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So psylocke now can amp over 60-70 tonner in strength..
Have you got scanns of those fight.. Id like to see how that fight went..
Not to mention Terry can also summon energy from sorrounding/Earth..
Can Psylocke multitask like say Emma..
How strong is Psylockes TK shields? Would it withstand say energy to level a wide city block or a mountain.. Cause this guys have dished out this kind of power before..
Well, if it was so easy, why then K' needed that stabilizing glove? And as for flames...do you think that Kyo uses it to the fullest extent in their regular fights?
Those flames are hot enough to melt steel and rock effortlessly...but in regular fights flamewieders don't want tobe killers...they use them to lesser extent in regular fights.
Absorbing and blocking are different things...in some cases they are similiar. For example, when we use K's Iron Trigger to block stuff. In NeoSun comics, that move was used for some desent flame control feats (my favourite one is with lava stream). It's really "absorbing" or more likely "making the opponent's flames their own".
In regular fights flames a)aren't used to the fullest extent (can melt a robot, but can't hurt some stupid Choi? WTF) b)many fighters use their ki to block it.
And I thought that Power Geyser was just a ki blast, not Daimon/Yashiro-like stuff. But everyone sees things in the way they like it.
Pink Bubblegum Psylocke had troubles lifting 5 cents from the groung- she was hand-to-hand orientated with that psiblade and stuff. Now her TK is sufficient to level mountains and to turn herself invisible.
Her TK nowadays is stated to be more potent than Rachel's. Gambit is something unimportant there. But...if Psylocke acts in stupid Kensou-like "TK blasts and martial arts" style, Kyo and Terry would think they're fighting Athena's elder sister.
Really, Kyo can keep her defensive with his Serpent Wave, for example (that move was potent enough to destroy a NESTS base when used to the fullest extent). If she doesn't use her TK in sophisticated ways, she loses.
And yes, Human Torch can be beaten by either Kyo or K'. They are protected from the flames themselves and have something other to rely on besides flames (their awesome fighting skills).
And as for getting burnt...sometimes flames are let out of control. Look at K' vs Terry fight in K's respect thread. In the final blows K' was ready to kill Terry...Terry got burnt by Chain Drive move in the end (you can see that when he's thrown to the other side of arena).
In NeoSun comics\SNK games flame users are often stopped from lethal actions with their flames (Kyo was stopped from burning Yamazaki alive because he didn't want to become murderer).
Finally, if not for the flames mystical origin, Crimson storyline with Sacred Treasures would have had little sense. The powers are bound to the mystical legacy according to that storyline...stealing that legacy=stealing the power.
Special DNA only means that the person can act as a conductor for the power. K' had troubles controlling his flames in KOF2003, because something was wrong with the "root of the power". One of sacred treasures was stolen and there was direct danger for the root of Kusanagi power.
As for the origin of the "roots" of those powers, there's a version that originally Kusanagi and Yasakani's mystical sources of flame powers were given to them by Japanese god of storm Susannoo.
And Psylocke psi blasts in form of blades are relatively uneffective, yes, they suit her ninja style, but that's all (and relatively useless against people who dwarf poor Betsy in terms of skills- two of the KOF Great Four). Emma uses basically the same stuff as projectiles, with good effect..despite Emma never was true TK user.
Psylocke's TK is her strongest point...too bad that most of her feats with it are combat\martial arts oriented).
And as for Human Torch. Flight speed doesn't equal fighting speed... if he just stays airborne against an opponent who's pretty much immune to flames himself, it wouldn't be much of a fight. Torch can only win by flying 100 metres in the air and going Nova in the first seconds of the fight (I'm talking about Torch vs K', since K' is faster than his "matrix" Kyo). And on the land...believe me or not, but at least in fight with K' he can pretty much get speedblitzed on the land (Blackout+Heaven Drive).
Torch has the only way to harm his opponents- via pyrokinesis...on the other hand, his opponents have other things (awesome fighting skills) to add. Torch's only chanse is staying in the air, higher than 15 metres up.
First off, Emma isnt' a telekinetic. Secondly, Psylocke is considered a very high tier TK. Her TK is Jean's so technically anything Grey is capable of, she is capable of.
Looks like X beat me too it, so I'll take these scans out.
Well, I can think aboout at least one or two KOF-supporting counterarguments. Terry and Kyo has encountered people with the ability to deflect city-leveling blasts (Bao's TK shielding from Zero Cannon, Takuma using his chi to deflect another blast from it) and defeated them.
But that would be stretching...maybe.
And the fact that Psylocke is one of MarySue characters for Claremont also has nothing to do with that fight.
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That's OK. But the feats with sophisticated using of TK will be more useful for better discussion than just raw power.
And Roldz, here's the scan of Terry's feat with huge piece of metal. His force of hit is really devastating...he could have easily replicated that feat with punching Rachel to the canyon. (please log in to view the image)
In fact, if Psylocke is really capable on replicating all Jean's feats, she can just rip them apart from inside mercilessly...
And yes, Kusanagi flame isn't lethal for the most time because of users control over it\the opponent's abilities of block it with chi and not because all the KOF cast suddenly are energy absorbers.
Notice that his opponent gets burnt...but it's high level vampire so he regenerates from all the stuff in a few seconds and eventually almost kills Kyo.
Another example of Kyo's firepowers used for something other that fiery punches and fireballs (from the very same fight as the scans above) (please log in to view the image)
In non-tournament fight with a monster Kyo isn't afraid of using his powers without any limitation. It's a pity that Demitry (the vampire lord) was too strong for him...
Step one is stupid... At least Terry can sense opponent's chi (battle aura), and there's nothing to suggest that Kyo can't do the same. I'll post scans in English if nesessary.
Step two is a plausible way to win for Psylocke... or lifting them both in the air and ripping them apart with her TK (but she has to be really quick in that case).
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