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One thing bothered me after seeing LOTR yesterday. I can't remember the book very well so perhaps one of you can resolve this issue.

In the film we see Bilbo aged rapidly after he gave the ring to Frodo (in the book there's perhaps a year between his departure and them meeting again in Rivendel). So I was wondering, shouldn't Gollem be dead by the time of FOTR? I mean, some 30-40 years have past since Gollem lost the ring, and he was over 300 years old by then.... Any ideas?

it's not like bilbo aged rapidly, this might be a bit unclear in the movie. the fact is that after gandalf left frodo after bilbos birthday it took quite a while befor he returned, many years.

Actually, Mah, it looks like they changed that for the film so it WASN'T a number of years... which is odd, because they still had Bilbo finish his book, which was nowhere near finished earlier.

In the books, of course, he had finished his book because it HAD been many years before Frodo came to Rivendell. In the film, I guess he was just suddenly inspired...

Anyway. Gollum is no normal Hobbit any more. He had the ring for FAR too long. Longevity is inevitable, even though he doesn't have it any more. He'll be fine so long as the Ring is there.

Hold on, not a normal Hobbit anymore? If aging goes more rapidly after you lose the ring or if it kicks in after the ring in gone, Gollum must STILL have aged immensely, since LOTR takes place some 30-40 years AFTER Gollum lost the ring. Then add the years between the time when Bilbo gave the ring to Frodo and even more ringless years have past.
So what does the ring do then? Is that documented anywhere? I thought the longevity was caused by having the ring in your possession... but then I'm not an expert on LOTR.

I don't know. If what you say is right, ush, why is bilbo as old-looking as in the book?

gollum though has had it for so long that he is not normal anymore, so how he is reacting to losing the ring is a different matter.

Even his aging?
Where do you base your conclusion on?

it is half a year since I read the book the last time, so I don't remember everything excactly, but I base my conclusions on what I remember, and what I think.

Right, look, in the film Bilbo DOES suffer rapid aging because he has lost the ring and his years are catching up with him. This is a change from the book in which, simply, time passes.

But Gollum had the ring for TOO LONG. It has a consuming effect on those who wear it, all to do with that 'Land of Shadow' you find yourslef in when you put it on. This effect has changed Gollum, and as I say, he will probably live so long as the Ring exists.

If Gollum wore the ring, then shouldn't Sauron have noticed? Thus Ring Wraths would have been after him.

yes, in the film you see gollum being tortured by saurons men, to tell who he lost the ring to.

It took them 500 years to find him??? Or did he wear it after 500 years?

If Sauron always knew the location of the Ringbearer then he would have gotten it back ages ago.

Aside from anything else, he has only recently returned to power. But on the whole, he has to use detective work to discover the Ringbearer.

Sauron, like everyone else on the bad side, completely ignores the Hobbits. So not until Gollum is captured does he get the lead he needs to sent the Ringwraiths out.

Only in close proximity can the Nazgul sense usage of the Ring.

When Frodo put the ring on near the end, after he ran away from Bromir, he could see the eye - prusmbaly the eye could see him, and he wasn't close to the eye. Why?

gollum hated the West and all its people. and he believed that the citizens of Mordor would help him get revenge. but, eventually as he strode along the border, he got caught and because of him the Enemy got to know all about which ring this was, where the ring was at that time and so on.

Frodo was right next to Mordor when he put the Ring on there! Besides, there is no guarantee that Sauron then actually knew Frodo's location.

Okay, I still would like to know where it is documented that if you keep the ring for as long as Gollum did, that you don't age anymore.

he's all stretched, he has had the ring for so long that he has been more and more invulnerable to aging, yet more and more cripled.

A quote from FOTR (the book)

"'Yes, alas! through him the Enemy has learned that the One has been found again. He knows where Isildur fell. He knows where Gollum found his ring. He knows that it is a Great Ring, for it gave long life. He knows that it is not one of the Three, for they have never been lost, and they endure no evil. He knows that it is not one of the Seven, or the Nine, for they are accounted for. He knows that it is the One. And he has at last heard, I think, of hobbits and the Shire."

Yes, so? "It gave long life".... GAVE, while having it in possession yes. What does that prove?

From what I've read about Gollum, it said that he had the ring for so long that it mutated him. He is meant to be like a hobbit, but now looks completly different.

BTW, I thought, in the film, that when we saw Bilbo in Rivendel he had gained his true age because he didn't have the ring anymore...

Axtually, queeq, that was more of a direct referecnce to Raz's question, showing him why Sauron didn't get the Ring while Gollum had it- because he didn't know. Not until Gollum was caught in Mordor.

As for your point, it is simply stated, many times in the books, that Gollum lives long because of his exposure to the Ring. That's all there is to it.

Okay, well, I guess so.... strange though that Bilbo does age then. But sure, if Tolkien says so, he says so. But still, deformation itself is not the same as aging. But I believe you.

Does anyone feel like me? I want to see The Hobbit as a film too. I think Gollum looks great.

They'll make it if all the LOTR are successful....I can't think of any reason why they wouldn't make it.

Maybe Jackson's fed up with it after six years.

Prequels are a dangerous matter, but probably not for LOTR. It rocks!

Definately. There are soooo many references to The Hobbit in LOTR, that it would do great. Gollum and Bilbo... lovely. The three trolls arguing how they're going to cook Bilbo.... excellent. Bilbo and the dragon... cool.

http://img-www.theonering.net/movies/gollum.mov

Aww...what lovely, thoughtful discussions there used to be here....and Ras and Ush used to hang about here -sigh-

*is being nostalgic*

its because gollums gay

Y r u on this board!! GET LOST

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its because gollums gay Originally posted by belbel300
Y r u on this board!! GET LOST

So much memories here. We should really look back to the discussions they had here. (nostalgic)