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Who would win this fight? marvels death or dc's morningstar?

lucifer whould win

Death is just abstract who is equal to eternity.

isnt eternity one of the most powerful beings in the universe?
how do u kill death itself? not even lucifer himself is above death.

eternity is one the most powerful in the MU universe.

but so is lucifer in the DC universe

If Marvel's Death is equal to DC's Death. Death should win over Lucifer.

oh i know he is one of the most powerful beings in any universe. but like i said, death is death, lucifer can die. death cannot, The only other person who cant die are immortals, and God himself

One minute then why did DC God die?

the DC God did not die, that was in Preacher which is not part of dc/vertigo

Lucifer was created before DC death.

Lucifer was killed, but death had no claim on him, so he just got brought back to life

Lucifer is undoubtely more pwoerful. It is cleraly said Lucfifer and Michael are supreme being in DC universe, and also in comic universe and only LT can join them, wtih expection of God. Lucifer wasn't even fazed by the power that could entirely destroy Mulitverse and end existence. And Lucifer can't die, he can die, only if God want that, and Death coudl die, if God wanted that to. Lucifer is undoubltely more powerful, no contest.

Lucifer wins, all he would have to do is look at her and she would leave without saying anything. the only other being i can think of that took a blast like Lucifer took was when Imperiex destroyed that last DC Universe and he was reborn in the new Precrisis/Postcrisis DC Universe, of course God,LT,Michael and Spectre could take that kinda blast as well.

Wouldn't looking at death cause death? How can DC gods be so powerful yet get beaten so easily?

Yes, but don't the Endless pre-date any angels created? DC Death is the secondborn, hence anything that has life would have to die at some point.

the Endless was born when the first being in Creation had a Destiny, Destiny then was born, Death was 2nd when something could die. DC Death is way more powerful then Marvel Death, the Marvel Death can actually die so if someone even beings to threaten her and starting to win, Living Tribunal would have to come down and stop it. DC Death can die but it just ends up meeting herself and can never really die unless God wants her to die. i don't think The Endless predate any of Gods angels (LT is a Angel), they was here before creation. also what do u mean when u say "How can DC gods be so powerful yet get beaten so easily??"

Marvel Death dies when the universe dies.

And I mean "How can DCGods be so powerful yet get beaten so easily?" when Lobo can behead them and Martians can control them. Wait, Fernis was Manhunter wasn't it?

actually, lucifer is above even the DC death, lucifer is actually one of the endless just like micheal, but unlike micheal, he is the most powerful, even though he has a very human persona he is actually an abstract being too, his powers and his domain are beyond death or birth, he can even create these concepts if he sees fit, and destruction shud not be confused with death.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually, lucifer is above even the DC death, lucifer is actually one of the endless just like micheal, but unlike micheal, he is the most powerful, even though he has a very human persona he is actually an abstract being too, his powers and his domain are beyond death or birth, he can even create these concepts if he sees fit, and destruction shud not be confused with death.

Actully Michael and Lucifer are completely equal in power lever, so they are equal in powers.

The Beyonder killed death in the second secret wars so its possible to do that but that meant that no one and nothing could die so he had to use his power to recreate death by killing his friend.

Ive not seen anything of this Lucifer guy so I don't know if he is Beyonder level powerful.

But if he is he could do it but it would then mean that everything lived forever and that would be well messy....

no actually, micheal and lucifer WERE exactly equal in power at the start, but later it was know that lucifer was actually the heir to god's throne, not micheal n that lucifer was more powerful, infact his power is second only to elaine now

Originally posted by kevdude
i don't think The Endless predate any of Gods angels (LT is a Angel), they was here before creation.

But everything besides the TOAA or The Presence is a creation so how can they be there before creation?

Lucifer and michael were given power equal to that of god, but they both use and have developed their powers differently.

how is it possible, u cant kill death. death manifiests itself. both lucifier and micheal are angels correct. angels can die. the war in heaven thing, said angels were dying etc.

You guys really need to read the Lucifer comic book. No offense, but it seems that your not all that familiar with it. It was EXPLICITLY said in Lucifer #26 that Lucifer and Michael created the multiverse. Which would only mean that they predate the Endless because the Endless came into existence shortly AFTER the multiverse was created. First was Destiny, then Death, followed by Dream, Destruction, Desire, Despair and Delirium.

The other Angels WERE NOT created before the multiverse. Lucifer #26, states that in the beginning there was only God, and then he created Michael and Lucifer, which shortly afterwards created the multiverse, thats it. It didnt state anything about the Angels existing before creation. the Endless even predate the Angels.

So in other words, the only beings that predate creation are The Presence, The Great Evil Beast, Lucifer Morningstar, and Archangel Michael.

And Lucifer an Michael was and always will be equal.

Also, Elaine is NOT more powerful than Lucifer, where did you get this stuff lionheartmm? Elaine's power came from Michael, which means that she will only be equal to Lucifer, not more powerful.

Originally posted by Synchro
Also, Elaine is NOT more powerful than Lucifer, where did you get this stuff lionheartmm? Elaine's power came from Michael, which means that she will only be equal to Lucifer, not more powerful.

Synchro, wasn't it already mentioned that Michael is slightly more powerful than Lucifer? I've heard he kicked Lucifer out of heaven without God's help.

Actually The Word is the true First Archangel, he was created before both Lucifer and Michael, Swamp Thing #167 (6.96), this would sorta fit in with the LT story that Ive read about online, isn't LT suppose to be older then all of the Archangels??? if thats true then Living Tribunal = The Word. but that does not mean The Word(LT) is more powerful then Lucifer and Michael, Lucifer and Michael are Gods greatest and most powerful Archangels. also after God created Michael he then creates rest of the Archangels: Uriel, who rules worlds; Raphael, who oversees humanity; Saraquael, set over spirits; Gabriel, lord of Cherubim & Seraphim; Raguel, vengeance of Lord, once thought to be original incarnation of Spectre, Books of Magic v.1 #1. after that God and his Archangels create Heaven, after this The First of the Fallen has a argument with God about how The First does not agree with Gods master plan and his creation of Heaven, after this God sends the First to hell, after this The Presence directs Lucifer and Michael and they both make creation, big bang occurs. The First i believe is Satan "The Great Beast", Satan is suppose to be Gods worst enemy, The First of the Fallen was actually here BEFORE ANY of Gods Archangels, The First was His confidant and conscience. Satan is a part of God himself that is ripped out so he would not feel any pain that he would bring the universe. this also shows that The Presence is Gods holy presence because the ONLY being that can Predate The Presence is something that comes out of God directly.The Presence and The Great Evil Beast are equal in power but still God(Yahweh) himself is more powerful then both of them. Death of the Endless has said the only beings she has no power over is God/The Presence, Lucifer and Michael meaning probably that someday the Great Beast will prob die or return to God when everything is said and done .

Originally posted by eleveninches
Lucifer and michael were given power equal to that of god, but they both use and have developed their powers differently.

DC God is pretty stupid, then. Why would he create anything equal to him in power?

i thought the great beast was satan? man im confused lol

Yeah DC's God's and Demon's are "Lame", because if they are really God's and Demon's then why are they afraid of Lobo and they ban Lobo whose power is only a brute force. If they are a real God they will just whisper that Lobo will vanish and it will come true but instead Lobo kick a lot of DC God's and Demon's Butts. It means DC God's can be beaten just by strength.

he is, great beast is satan, God works in strange ways,

so theres lucifier and the great beast are the same, but 2 people?

no Lucifer is the first fallen angel, Lucifer and Michael are the most powerful beings The Presence has ever created, the Great Beast is the Presence's equal and opposite, The Great Beast is the end of all things, also The Great Beast at 1 time was a woman, but I'm sure she/it/him or whatever, can chance into whatever sex it wants (or no sex at all). this also fits into The First of the Fallen storyline how God creates a companion, The First is the first being to be in a hell of its own making, when Lucifer fell, he was the 2nd to go to hell, The First was already their. The First was a part of God that is ripped out of HIMSELF...,also The Great Beast was not allowed in creation. The Great Beast was sleeping in hell since the Dawn of Time. the only being powerful enough to do that would the The Presence..........makes me wonder why Lucifer never got to go back to heaven he did want to go back but they wouldn't let him in so he decided to stay in hell and plot against The Presence, maybe The Presence wanted him their to try to stop Satan if she was ever awoken,
God"the Presence" / Satan"the Great Beast"

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
DC God is pretty stupid, then. Why would he create anything equal to him in power?


Lucifer and Michael have ony fraction of God infinite power, but already because of this fraction, they have infinite power, they are not equal at all. And Michael and Lucifer will awlays be the same, they were given infinte powers, and these power can't be developed to greater levels, so they are the same and will always be. Lucifer has only done more memorable things.

talk about dc messing things up. In bible Lucifer was gods favourite angel, he fell, and then became satan, devil, great beast whatever u wanna call him. and in dc he and the great beast are 2 different people entirely wow.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Synchro, wasn't it already mentioned that Michael is slightly more powerful than Lucifer? I've heard he kicked Lucifer out of heaven without God's help.

Actually, it was Michael AND the Host Angels kicked Lucifer AND the Angel rebels. They never fought one on one. The only time they fought 1 on 1 was when Fenris took control over Lucifer, which isnt a good indication of who is stronger because Lucifer and Michael were already weakened before even their encounter with the Wolf.

Orginally posted by kevdude Actually The Word is the true First Archangel, he was created before both Lucifer and Michael, Swamp Thing #167 (6.96), this would sorta fit in with the LT story that Ive read about online, isn't LT suppose to be older then all of the Archangels??? if thats true then Living Tribunal = The Word. but that does not mean The Word(LT) is more powerful then Lucifer and Michael, Lucifer and Michael are Gods greatest and most powerful Archangels. .

1. You got a point about the Word being the first being after God. So I suppose the Word is among the beings that existed before the multiverse. Oh, and the Word is not an Angel, its just one of the manifestation of God.

2. You may have forgotten that Angels only existed in the DCU/Vertigo. Marvel doesnt have any Angels. It wasnt even stated that Marvel has their own Word. And even if there was, LT isnt the Word because TOAA entrusted LT to guard the multiverse, which theoritically isnt a job for the Word.

Also, Marveldirectory.com states that LT existed AS LONG AS the multiverse, not before it. Unless you can give me references which states otherwise.

Originally posted by kevdude also after God created Michael he then creates rest of the Archangels: Uriel, who rules worlds; Raphael, who oversees humanity; Saraquael, set over spirits; Gabriel, lord of Cherubim & Seraphim; Raguel, vengeance of Lord, once thought to be original incarnation of Spectre, Books of Magic v.1 #1. after that God and his Archangels create Heaven,

Does this Books of Magic v.1 #1 also said that God created first Lucifer, Michael, and the Angels before creating the multiverse? Coz it sure as hell isnt like that in Lucifer.

Originally posted by kevdude The Presence and The Great Evil Beast are equal in power but still God(Yahweh) himself is more powerful then both of them.

Can you give me reference as to why the Presence and Yahweh are not one?

And im confused, you said that Lucifer is the First of the Fallen, but then you said that First of the Fallen was the Great Evil Beast???