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Why do religious beliefs state this? Do they state it because it's paranormal so they immediately think it's bad?

Why would the devil use such a tool?

I believe that God (if there is one) gave us this gift to help us. He cannot interfere with free will. So for an example, you're about to get into a car that is going to crash, your instinct tells you not to do so you don't get in. So God gave this to us to help us.

God gave everybody these gifts. Most people call things they don't understand evil...It's been that way for centuries.

It wosen't a gift from god somepeople naturally have that ability.

It is a gift from God..But because it's not understood, it's called evil by many. These gifts are here for all and in fact we all have them, to heal ourselves and others.

everyone has or has had these "gifts", usually when they were children. as we mature, we learn to trust instead our "logical" senses, sight, hearing, feel, etc., and the basic senses are repressed. some of us have had something happen in our lives to awaken or partially awaken those early senses. when i observe something that most people would consider extrasensory, i am no longer frightened, confused or even surprised. i just assume it is the nature of things. this is neither evil, or sinful, it's just natural. i've learned it's no big deal.

I try not to think too logical when a psychic thing happens to me. I just thank my higher mind for giving me that experience.

Originally posted by BlackC@
Why do religious beliefs state this? Do they state it because it's paranormal so they immediately think it's bad?

Why would the devil use such a tool?

I believe that God (if there is one) gave us this gift to help us. He cannot interfere with free will. So for an example, you're about to get into a car that is going to crash, your instinct tells you not to do so you don't get in. So God gave this to us to help us.

Having the instinct to avoid danger and extransensory or preternatural psychic ability are not one and the same. Psychic ability comes from satan who uses it to lure and entice people away from God and towards him. He knows how much people crave to know the future so he caters to them through a process known as divination. In fact, astrology, fortune-telling, palm reading, tarot-card reading, the practice of mediums, use of ouija boards, the holding of seances, horoscope reading, practice of magic, and the like should be avoided completely. These things give place to the devil in your life. Once the devil gets a legal foothold in your life (through your own consent whether you realize that you are giving it to him or not) he will endeavor to get control of other areas of your life. Engaging in those practices in any way can lead to demonic possession.

http://www.spiritualcuriosity.com/curiosity/ouijafaq.htm

http://www.farsinet.com/truth/faq.html#faq11

http://www.ouija1.com/

The premise for saying that psychic powers are evil is that they are fundamentally the same thing as witchcraft--seeking power from something other than God.

well, the powers that "god" has given people are just stunning.

there may be some merit in this

you are exactly as likely to get possessed by a demon as you are to have a psychic experience.

can we define what "gifts" are?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
use of ouija boards, practice of magic, and the like should be avoided completely. T I would ask why it is evil or devillish to use ouija boards; alternatively, why is it inherently evil or "letting the devil into your door" to 'practice magic'? You don't like Wiccans very much, do you?

Originally posted by FeceMan
The premise for saying that psychic powers are evil is that they are fundamentally the same thing as witchcraft--seeking power from something other than God. And what if someone using those 'powers' believes vehemently they come from god?

Originally posted by Dreamt
I would ask why it is evil or devillish to use ouija boards; alternatively, why is it inherently evil or "letting the devil into your door" to 'practice magic'? You don't like Wiccans very much, do you?

I already explained the answer to your first question.

What or whom I like really is not the issue. You have not correctly construed my intent for writing my post.

God Condemns The Following Practices: Necromancy, Augury, Witchcraft, Interpreting Omens, Soothsaying, Sorcery, Conjuring Spells, The Practice Of Mediums i.e. Calling Up the Dead, Spiritism (or Spiritualism), Stargazing, Prognostication, Astrology

—Leviticus 19:31; Deuteronomy 18:10-15; Isaiah 47:12-15; Acts 8:9-13, 13:6-11, 19:17-20

He's not a fan of Most Hanted then. Tell you what, he's missing out.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Having the instinct to avoid danger and extransensory or preternatural psychic ability are not one and the same. Psychic ability comes from satan who uses it to lure and entice people away from God and towards him. He knows how much people crave to know the future so he caters to them through a process known as divination. In fact, astrology, fortune-telling, palm reading, tarot-card reading, the practice of mediums, use of ouija boards, the holding of seances, horoscope reading, practice of magic, and the like should be avoided completely. These things give place to the devil in your life. Once the devil gets a legal foothold in your life (through your own consent whether you realize that you are giving it to him or not) he will endeavor to get control of other areas of your life. Engaging in those practices in any way can lead to demonic possession.

http://www.spiritualcuriosity.com/curiosity/ouijafaq.htm

http://www.farsinet.com/truth/faq.html#faq11

http://www.ouija1.com/

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I already explained the answer to your first question.

What or whom I like really is not the issue. You have not correctly construed my intent for writing my post.

God Condemns The Following Practices: Necromancy, Augury, Witchcraft, Interpreting Omens, Soothsaying, Sorcery, Conjuring Spells, The Practice Of Mediums i.e. Calling Up the Dead, Spiritism (or Spiritualism), Stargazing, Prognostication, Astrology

—Leviticus 19:31; Deuteronomy 18:10-15; Isaiah 47:12-15; Acts 8:9-13, 13:6-11, 19:17-20

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DevilKing1138/God20Warrior.jpg

JIA on TV.

Originally posted by BlackC@
Why do religious beliefs state this? Do they state it because it's paranormal so they immediately think it's bad?

Why would the devil use such a tool?

I believe that God (if there is one) gave us this gift to help us. He cannot interfere with free will. So for an example, you're about to get into a car that is going to crash, your instinct tells you not to do so you don't get in. So God gave this to us to help us.

Hey there BlackC.

The way I think about such things is that we get "thoughts" and "messages" both from good (God) and evil (Devil) Spirits. If I am getting a "feeling" I would ask myself if this is in line with what God would want me to do or feel..and if not, then I would say it was Satan creeping his nasty hands into my life. I do believe that we can quiet ourselves before God and "hear" what he wants to tell us..either threw pictures or feelings. (Though I have not mastered this and find it difficult to quiet my brain for longer than a minute..lol)

Originally posted by Alliance
well, the powers that "god" has given people are just stunning.
The ones that the Amazing Randi laughs at?

Astrology, tarot cards, vodoo dolls, it's all dark-sided stuff. I am a god warrior! lol

Originally posted by BlackC@
Why do religious beliefs state this? Do they state it because it's paranormal so they immediately think it's bad?

Why would the devil use such a tool?

I believe that God (if there is one) gave us this gift to help us. He cannot interfere with free will. So for an example, you're about to get into a car that is going to crash, your instinct tells you not to do so you don't get in. So God gave this to us to help us.


You are wrong...


Psychic powers are evil. Anything that is not of God is EVIL. If you think differently then you are EVIL

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Originally posted by FeceMan
The ones that the Amazing Randi laughs at?

Those would probably be better classified as delusions

A psychic gift could be called gifts of the Holy Spirit.

No, they could not, they do not fit any of the prescribed gifts, nor are they used for the glorification of God.

Originally posted by Nellinator
No, they could not, they do not fit any of the prescribed gifts, nor are they used for the glorification of God.

How do you know that?

He doesn't know because his brainwashing has overcome his reasoning.

Heaven forbid someone could have a communication from a source bigger than he is without written directions.....ei Bible.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How do you know that? Because the gifts of the spirit are listed in the Bible, psychic gifts are none of them. Also, I have yet to see a psychic use their ability for anything to further the kingdom of God.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Because the gifts of the spirit are listed in the Bible, psychic gifts are none of them. Also, I have yet to see a psychic use their ability for anything to further the kingdom of God.

But you would not know that unless you have the holy spirit. Apparently you don't have the holy spirit.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Because the gifts of the spirit are listed in the Bible, psychic gifts are none of them. Also, I have yet to see a psychic use their ability for anything to further the kingdom of God. Some examples on who it couldn't further anything that is good please.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Because the gifts of the spirit are listed in the Bible, psychic gifts are none of them. Also, I have yet to see a psychic use their ability for anything to further the kingdom of God.


And what of all the miracles witnessed only by children? Or bleeding from the wounds of Jesus on the cross? Or the very people you hold in such high esteem recieving messages from God?

PSYCHICS

The Bible are full of em.

using will and the power of your SPIRIT {apparently} connected to you lifesourse, of life energy. i dunno some people are just granted miracles for no obvious reason.

Prophets could be called psychics.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Prophets could be called psychics. No they would not. They are distinctively different as they have no powers or abilities of their own.

Neither do psychics. They will admit it is all from god.

I've never heard of that being the case.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
using will and the power of your SPIRIT {apparently} connected to you lifesourse, of life energy. i dunno some people are just granted miracles for no obvious reason.

That's all very new age of you, but it doesn't answer the question.

Originally posted by Nellinator
No, they could not, they do not fit any of the prescribed gifts, nor are they used for the glorification of God.


Got anything different to say?

Originally posted by Devil King
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DevilKing1138/God20Warrior.jpg

Originally posted by debbiejo
Prophets could be called psychics.

Actually, they'd probably called schizophrenics.

Every psychic I've heard never admits the gift is from them, but that they are a conduit from something bigger like god. Healers say the same thing. It's not them. They are not healing people themselves.

Originally posted by debbiejo
They are not healing people themselves.

this is very true

ok, I'm done

Originally posted by Nellinator
No, they could not, they do not fit any of the prescribed gifts, nor are they used for the glorification of God.

Actually they do fit the descriptions. There are many psychics who have the ability of xenoglossia(speaking in tongues) and a lot of then can do healing. You can find those who can do the gift called dicernment of spirit, prophecy and things that can be called miracles. All of these are gifts of the holy spirit which are described in the scriptures.


But there is a difference between common mediunity and something that really comes from the holy spirit. So I am not saying that all psychics have the gift of the holy spirit. But this is not something only told in the scriptures. You find that in hinduism and eastern traditions with a lot more detail. Actually they were the original source of this knowledge.

Good thing the devil does not exist, or things like psychic stuff would be part of his powers and really be real.

Is Sylvia Brown the devil?

I think not.

Enough Said.

anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Elisha was a psychic. All prophets foretold the future. Daniel, and all of them. Geez even in the NT it says that "old mean will dream dreams and young men will see visions."

Originally posted by debbiejo
Elisha was a psychic. All prophets foretold the future. Daniel, and all of them. Geez even in the NT it says that "old mean will dream dreams and young men will see visions."

Allegedly...

Well I did read it in print. And I believe just everything I read.

Prophet != psychic.

Psychics allegedly are born with the talent. Prophets are given visions by God at the prescribed time, not through some mysterious ability.

Did you read the Prophet booklet?

I have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't kept up with this thread.

What is the difference between a Psychic and a Prophet ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
What is the difference between a Psychic and a Prophet ?
*Rubs his temples.*

Prophets are chosen by God. Psychics are something else. I don't know if they exist or not, and I don't know where they get their power (assuming they do exist).

Originally posted by debbiejo
I have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't kept up with this thread.









You seem to know all about them...

Originally posted by FeceMan
*Rubs his temples.*

You have a temple? I thought you were a Christian.

Originally posted by FeceMan
*Rubs his temples.*

Prophets are chosen by God. Psychics are something else. I don't know if they exist or not, and I don't know where they get their power (assuming they do exist).


How come God only chooses men to be profits ? Is it because women pms ?


Psychics may or may not exist, but I am highly skeptical of psychics who claim they can see into our future.

I don't believe that they can actually see into the future, but to see, if the path is unaltered that a certain future will come to pass.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
How come God only chooses men to be profits ? Is it because women pms ?


Psychics may or may not exist, but I am highly skeptical of psychics who claim they can see into our future. There are women prophets in the Bible.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
How come God only chooses men to be profits ? Is it because women pms ?
I did not realize that monetary gain could be broken up into sex.

Originally posted by Nellinator
There are women prophets in the Bible.


Yes, but most of them are men ...its probly because men are sexier and smarter

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Yes, but most of them are men ...its probly because men are sexier and smarter Nah, just smarter.

In most religions of old the prophets were women. When the Male authoritarian god stepped in then so did the ousting of the female prophets. Kinda sexist.

Originally posted by Devil King
That's all very new age of you, but it doesn't answer the question.

actually, thats coming from the mouth of one{allegedly}. i didnt really believe in that stuff before u know.

The difference between a prophet and a psychic is that prophets are all men, and psychics are all women.

No, that's not true.

Originally posted by debbiejo
No, that's not true.


Yes, it is, it's like a Which and a Wizard. Witches are female, Wizards are male.

Same thing with Prophets and Psychics..they are both the same crap, but with different genders.

Originally posted by BlackC@
Why do religious beliefs state this? Do they state it because it's paranormal so they immediately think it's bad?

Why would the devil use such a tool?

I believe that God (if there is one) gave us this gift to help us. He cannot interfere with free will. So for an example, you're about to get into a car that is going to crash, your instinct tells you not to do so you don't get in. So God gave this to us to help us.

i dont know of any religous belief that out right quotes psychics as being the work of the devil, but then again i have never studied other religoun than catholic. I know its considered a type of evil because it is putting your faith in something other than God

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Yes, it is, it's like a Which and a Wizard. Witches are female, Wizards are male.

Same thing with Prophets and Psychics..they are both the same crap, but with different genders. Umm... according to what? In the Bible there are prophets and prophetesses. Psychics (mediums, sorcerors, astrologers) are considered very seperate.

Why, because we're told so? A Seer is a Seer. If it quacks like a duck then...........

Originally posted by debbiejo
Why, because we're told so? A Seer is a Seer. If it quacks like a duck then...........

hysterical This is funny because it came from Deb.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Why, because we're told so? A Seer is a Seer. If it quacks like a duck then...........
A soldier and a terrorist are two completely different things, but they still use guns.

Originally posted by FeceMan
A soldier and a terrorist are two completely different things, but they still use guns.

Depends on what government you support...

Originally posted by BlackC@
Why do religious beliefs state this? Do they state it because it's paranormal so they immediately think it's bad?

Why would the devil use such a tool?

I believe that God (if there is one) gave us this gift to help us. He cannot interfere with free will. So for an example, you're about to get into a car that is going to crash, your instinct tells you not to do so you don't get in. So God gave this to us to help us.

Psychics, witchcraft and sin itself come from the devil - but God can use them for good.

Example:

Saul went to a seer to call up the spirit of Samuel and find out if he would still be king(or something like that). God allowed Saul to perform this evil action of calling up dead spirits(through witchcraft) - so that the spirit of Samuel could inform Saul that God was against him.

This same rationale can be applied to the story of Job, where God uses Satan's evil to convict Job of his sin before him.

Psychics are different from prophets, in that they receive their visions from evil spirits - where as with prophets, it is God directly giving these visions to them.

This is why a true prophet of God's vision is always accurate, where as a psychics prediction is often times innaccurate, as they are relying on the limited information from these evil spirits - who themselves are usually lying to the people they give these visions to, or being limited beings themselves - are not fully aware of God's plans.

Originally posted by Thundar
Psychics, witchcraft and sin itself come from the devil - but God can use them for good.

Example:

Saul went to a seer to call up the spirit of Samuel and find out if he would still be king(or something like that). God allowed Saul to perform this evil action of calling up dead spirits(through witchcraft) - so that the spirit of Samuel could inform Saul that God was against him.

This same rationale can be applied to the story of Job, where God uses Satan's evil to convict Job of his sin before him.

Psychics are different from prophets, in that they receive their visions from evil spirits - where as with prophets, it is God directly giving these visions to them.

This is why a true prophet of God's vision is always accurate, where as a psychics prediction is often times innaccurate, as they are relying on the limited information from these evil spirits - who themselves are usually lying to the people they give these visions to, or being limited beings themselves - are not fully aware of God's plans.

Witchcraft has nothing to do with the devil. The early Christian Church was in competition with other religions, hundreds of years ago. They released propaganda against these religions and called them all witchcraft. They then connected witchcraft to the devil so they could kill these people and their religions.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Witchcraft has nothing to do with the devil. The early Christian Church was in competition with other religions, hundreds of years ago. They released propaganda against these religions and called them all witchcraft. They then connected witchcraft to the devil so they could kill these people and their religions.


Some were definitely related to witchcraft and some weren't. Back then, and sometimes even today - one can mistake someone with the gift of "prophecy" as partaking in witchcraft, particularly when the intents of individuals with prophetic gifts are misused. There are prophets of God within the scripture who are good examples of this(Ananias is one that comes to mind).

So some people in the early church were probably not witches, as they did not practice in witchcraft but were instead gifted with prophecy.

Today though, its much easier to discern who the practicioners of witchcraft are - as they always perform some sort of satanic ritual when attempting to discern future events(i.e. tarot cards, mediums, palm reading, astrology, etc) - and it is always done for profit, not to assist God's purpose.

Originally posted by Thundar
Some were definitely related to witchcraft and some weren't. Back then, and sometimes even today - one can mistake someone with the gift of "prophecy" as partaking in witchcraft, particularly when the intents of individuals with prophetic gifts are misused. There are prophets of God within the scripture who are good examples of this(Ananias is one that comes to mind).

So some people in the early church were probably not witches, as they did not practice in witchcraft but were instead gifted with prophecy.

Today though, its much easier to discern who the practicioners of witchcraft are - as they always perform some sort of satanic ritual when attempting to discern future events(i.e. tarot cards, mediums, palm reading, astrology, etc) - and it is always done for profit, not to assist God's purpose.

First: Witchcraft is not a religion. It is word made by the Church to slander other religions.

Second: Satanic ritual is also a made up term used by the Church to slander other religions.

Satanism is a modern quasi religion that is an off shoot of Christianity.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
hysterical This is funny because it came from Deb. then............it's a duck.


Originally posted by FeceMan
A soldier and a terrorist are two completely different things, but they still use guns. You can call it evil, but it's still the same duck.

And first of all witches don't worship Satan. Satanists don't even worship Satan.

Second of all Satan isn't real.

If someone is a Seer then they just see. They can use it for what ever purposes. The church demonized everything to keep people under it's control. Sooooo now, only the church can say what is from god and what's not. I've been to many Pentecostal churches that have the gift of prophecy ie...seers, and the information given wasn't the truth. If god is the author of truth, then this church of the imaginary Satan.

Originally posted by debbiejo
then............it's a duck.


You can call it evil, but it's still the same duck.

And if it sounds like Deb...

Well I know a duck when I see it...

Originally posted by debbiejo


Well I know a duck when I see it...

Don't duck my insult.

Maybe I should use duck tape. Because it's the SAME DUCK!!

Originally posted by debbiejo
You can call it evil, but it's still the same duck.
Yes, because a terrorist and a soldier are the same thing.

Yet there is nothing that a psychic does that would harm anyone and same thing with prophets, is it because the church tells you that one is from evil and the other is from light that you make the distinction?

And one can argued that the god who used psychics (seers) did see evil things upon others and then told the people how to make a stay or to turn it over. Same difference today.

Could it be that the information is coming from the same source?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Yes, because a terrorist and a soldier are the same thing.




Iraqi and Iranian soliders are considered Terrorists to many in the United States.....United States soldiers are considered terrorists to many in those nations as well.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yet there is nothing that a psychic does that would harm anyone and same thing with prophets, is it because the church tells you that one is from evil and the other is from light that you make the distinction?

And one can argued that the god who used psychics (seers) did see evil things upon others and then told the people how to make a stay or to turn it over. Same difference today.

Could it be that the information is coming from the same source?

They take your money.

And guilt you in your mind...........so sad.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yet there is nothing that a psychic does that would harm anyone and same thing with prophets, is it because the church tells you that one is from evil and the other is from light that you make the distinction?

And one can argued that the god who used psychics (seers) did see evil things upon others and then told the people how to make a stay or to turn it over. Same difference today.

Could it be that the information is coming from the same source?
GAH YOU SILLY GIRL STOP TALKING

I haven't mentioned anything about morality. All I said was that prophets are endowed by God with their gifts while mediums are not.

Originally posted by FeceMan
GAH YOU SILLY GIRL STOP TALKING

I haven't mentioned anything about morality. All I said was that prophets are endowed by God with their gifts while mediums are not.

A prophet and a medium are the same thing.

No, they aren't. A medium contacts spirits. A prophet does not.

Originally posted by FeceMan
No, they aren't. A medium contacts spirits. A prophet does not.

They both do not.

Originally posted by FeceMan
GAH YOU SILLY GIRL STOP TALKING

I haven't mentioned anything about morality. All I said was that prophets are endowed by God with their gifts while mediums are not. prove it! Why is god talking to his people acceptable and god talking to for instance the Pharaoh to turn his heart non acceptable when god told him to harden his heart. Does god make deals? A teller of truths of things that may be on the path of acceptable coincidences is no better then a modern day person that sees the same thing.

In fact the story of a battle was for the arms to stay up to win and the arms that would fold would lose..that mean that a path is in a persons actions and beliefs.

Prove it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediumship

Gees, I'm leaving now...........hahaha

Originally posted by debbiejo
Am I to take (what could be considered a conspiracy theory) to the truth that a books word as interrupted by some mear means of truth?

Psychics do nothing better to steer men into killing others, and so we should group them together with god? Ahh nope, they surely don't. They do it for the good of others. So, what the difference in that?

Oops.......

what the hay.......Ooops again.