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I believe that Vader was stronger in the force when he got the armor but his mobility was limited due to the heavy armor. If Luke fought his father back then when he had no armor and much better mobility, what would the results be?

Depends on only one thing. Did Anakin know Luke is his son.

If so then Luke wins, if not then Anakin wins.

ROTS Darth Vader before armor? You mean when he's a fried carrot screaming in pain? Vader. Same in any other situation.

Luke wasn't as trained in lightsaber combat as much as Anakin and he would get slaughtered. Could you see young Luke defending all the attacks that Anakin put on Dooku? I don't see that happening.

Vader.

Originally posted by OB1-KeNinja
Vader.

Before getting the suit ? Vader obviously.

Vader has the speed, but Luke has the power. Both are Skywalkers and apprentices of Obi-Wan Kenobi. (Though Luke's studies was cut short) I know some of ya'll disagree with this, but I think Luke Skywalker faired pretty well without any additional lightsaber training and his lack of knowledge of the Force during his battles with Darth Vader, which has had at around 40 years of experience. ESB Darth Vader was playing with Luke, until Luke kicked Darth Vader off the Carbon Freezing chamber, then it was on. And then came Return of the Jedi. Darth Vader was fighting Luke head on! Luke was fighting the Dark Side, his father, and the Emperor's taunts. Luke could have become more powerful that ROTS Anakin earlier, if he had his rightful training.

No way that Luke could have become more powerful than Anakin. Anakin is the son of the force. Actually Luke only became more powerful because losing his legs, an arm and tons of skin took much of Anakins midichlorians (= force potential), since they are in every cell of your body. Vader in suit is much less powerful than pre suit Vader.

Luke will lose badly here.

I agree with you Nai Fohl about that Luke would lose against Vader, but Luke would have a chance if he had true Jedi training. I know this is a little off subject, but remember NJO Luke Skywalker passed Anakin with power.

That's not exactly hard...

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
I agree with you Nai Fohl about that Luke would lose against Vader, but Luke would have a chance if he had true Jedi training. I know this is a little off subject, but remember NJO Luke Skywalker passed Anakin with power.

That is simple mathematic here.
Luke could have up to 75 % of Anakins force potential. Nothing more. Meaning: Anakin (at full potential) could have 25 % more power or same power in 25 % less time compared to Luke.

It took Luke almost 30 years of force training to archive that power.
It would have taken Anakin at least 22,5 years of training to archive the same power. Anakin only had training for 13 years before RotS where he lost around 60 % of the potential he had.

The son of Lord Vader is no match for him... Anakin had a much better command of the force and not to mention speed and mobility. Just as Obi-Wan wasn't fighting Lord Vader at the end of Episode III, he was SURVIVING it, it would be more of the same with Luke....

Anakin because he's way more powerful though Luke could probably outsmart him...

As for Anakin being the son of the Force, that's a possibility but we don't know for sure. I think some powerful Jedi knocked Shmi up and erased her memory myself.

Supposedly anakin was created from a midichlorian by darth plaguesis but it's an uncomfirmed rumour.

Luke probably couldn't out smart him, if they were going all out, Anakin's rage would destroy Luke.

Luke has rage too though. You know his rapid attack thing he used on Vader. I say this is an even match. They both are the same.

Yeah, but Luke can't afford to turn to the dark side. I mean, if he was allowed to do so in this fight, I'm not sure how much different the odds would be.

That would be sweet if Luke turned Dark

Luke is so powerfull when he turnes DS!!

luke gets owned silly.

to be fair i agree with darth dantheman luke would get raped i mean anakin was revered to be one of the best duelist in ROTS wasn't he ? matching up to the likes of mace windu and obi-wan, before he was in the suit, lukes just a little wanabee *****, especially in ROTJ

Originally posted by chewbacca II
matching up to the likes of mace windu
Anakin would EASILY get his ass handed to him if he fought Windu.

not easily, but nonetheless, handed.

yeh he would get owned but not too easily i mean he is a better sword master than obi-wan and obi-wan is pretty close to mace

Luke would indeed lose, but ya'll are looking at it as if Luke had training from the youngling stage. Truth is he only had 3-4 four years of training during ROTJ. All his force abilities and lightsaber skills all came with self practice. You try teaching yourself fencing for 3-4 years and go fight a fencing master...you won't last long. Luke faired pretty well.

Are you suggesting that Luke at the time of rotj was a better swordsman than Obi-wan? Obi-wan who defeated Ani back when he was still fast. Obi really deserves more credit than he gets. We never saw Luke move even close to that fast. Luke's not walking out of this one.

Where in my post did you read the name Obi-Wan Kenobi? That is way off subject of what I was just talking about...

Not you. I'm talking to chewbacca. Your post actually made sense and a good point.

I think he was talking about Anakin being a better swordsman than Obi-Wan. But I disagree. Swordsmanship wise Anakin did not prove himself superior to Obi-Wan in any way.

Originally posted by ChaoticReign
Not you. I'm talking to chewbacca. Your post actually made sense and a good point.

Thanks. I'm sorry for the missunderstanding.

I even think Vader in suit could beat Luke (feel free tto object and I know this seem a bit fan boyish). Again, Vader is immensly masterful with the force. Luke is ok with it but not that great (he's more of a saber guy)

vader would win hands down cause he is more agile, Luke wasn't taught well he got taught 2 different people. he has better moves and hatred would definately help.

Originally posted by Bobafetty
I even think Vader in suit could beat Luke (feel free tto object and I know this seem a bit fan boyish). Again, Vader is immensly masterful with the force. Luke is ok with it but not that great (he's more of a saber guy)

I'm not objecting...I'm just saying what is true. George Lucas said in Return of the Jedi Luke was even with Vader... http://www.esensja.pl/obrazki/ilustracje/4687_wyciagnales_na_mnie_miecz_3.jpg