superman vs outsiders and teentians
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ALEMASTER
ok who would win this fight
robin
cyborg
starfire
raven
beast boy
jade
troia
nightwing
arsenal
thunder
metamorph
indigo
Draco69
Troia, Metamorph, Indigo and Raven would be the primary threats. The team can win....but not often.
spetznaz
In Titans/Young Justice: Graduation Day, a Superman ROBOT took out both teams like it was a joke! If a Superman robot can do that, what would the real thing be able to do?
The robot even killed Troia!
I'd say Superman 10/10.
The way both teams were manhandled by a Superman robot ( it manhandled Tempest like he was a ragdoll, almost broke the back of Impulse, took out Arsenal, took out Wondergirl, manhandled Superboy, killed Lilith by breaking her neck, and killed Troia by firing its heat vision through her chest ......and all that was done by a Superman robot).
Imagine what the real thing would do!
Draco69
Troia got a major upgrade as the Goddess of the Moon. She's LITERALLY a goddess now. So she's a good deal more powerful. Doesn't have many showings though.
Best bets are Troia (current), Indigo (Really Brainiac 19 or something; has Superman's weaknesses down to pat) , Metamorpho (transform into kryptonite), and Raven (magic. nuff' said)
They can win. But again not often.
slade10
err, couldn't raven win this one by herself?
Draco69
Sure....if she survives the initial speedblitz and actually manages to get a cohrent brain synapse firing in time to make herself intangible (seemingly forgotten ability by Geoff Johns...).
slade10
Originally posted by Draco69
Sure....if she survives the initial speedblitz and actually manages to get a cohrent brain synapse firing in time to make herself intangible (seemingly forgotten ability by Geoff Johns...).
If she dies, she turns into her soul form, and it's an even easier fight...
Draco69
Originally posted by slade10
If she dies, she turns into her soul form, and it's an even easier fight...
Very true. She would be unstoppable to Superman. However Superman knows this and a simple uppercut to her jaw that's weak enough to merely render her unconscious nixes this advantage. Maybe one of her teammates would be willing to kill her....
cheap cabbage
whining teenagers vs the greatest superhero of all time....yeah
slade10
Originally posted by Draco69
Very true. She would be unstoppable to Superman. However Superman knows this and a simple uppercut to her jaw that's weak enough to merely render her unconscious nixes this advantage. Maybe one of her teammates would be willing to kill her....
Possible, if you're saying everyone's 'bloodlusted', and raven doesn't have to constantly battle her evil heritage and control her emotions, then it seems to me raven wins with her pinky toe. Less than that actually.
Of course, once she gives into her demonic heritage, she also probably kills the rest of the team, and everyone on earth -- casualties of war.
But if she's half of what her father was, she can destroy planets with ease. And it's not clear when she went bananas whether that was the influence of her father (but her own power) or the power of her father (in addition to influence). It seems the latter is more likely since she eventually beat him 1on1.
Superherovandal
is Trigon more powerful than PC Darkseid
slade10
Originally posted by Superherovandal
is Trigon more powerful than PC Darkseid
Imo, yes. Darkseid even pc had trouble with his own planet. Trigon was taking over planets when he was a toddler, and controlled the universe by the time he was an adult.
Superherovandal
since when did pc DS have problems with Apocalips he always defeated everyone. In fact the only one he has possibly lost to is Anti-Monitor.
slade10
Originally posted by Superherovandal
since when did pc DS have problems with Apocalips he always defeated everyone. In fact the only one he has possibly lost to is Anti-Monitor.
I don't know enough about pc DS to say. The feats I've seen, however, are unimpressive. He beats the heroes he's put up against but doesn't show awe-inspiring power in the process. Skyfather level, probably. You don't see him threatening the entire universe, destroying celestial bodies, etc.
Trigon, on the other hand, has no problems taking over an entire alternate universe. And seemingly would have done the same to the normal universe if not for raven.
Trigon is closer to tyrant or galactus level. pc DS is more thanos-level. I'm not super-informed on either of these characters though.
Superherovandal
well Odin and Zeus were quite scared of DS.
slade10
Originally posted by Superherovandal
well Odin and Zeus were quite scared of DS.
1. In crossover. (or DC odin? far weaker)
2. Being scared doesn't tell you much. I'm scared of spiders. And certain forms of bacteria. Because they can harm me. I'd still smash them (hopefully) in a 1on1 fight.
3. They'd be even more scared of Trigon.
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