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Fight happens in Gotham City - Green Goblin has all of his equipment and current powers plus 10 scrier henchmen

Good fight, too bad Goblin gets sniped though.

Gobby has his own healing factor and is almost as fast as spidey relfex wise, and has the glider gadgets ect. GG wins

If DS has a snipe, he wins easily. If not, GG takes it.

Deathstroke.

Originally posted by Marcellus
Gobby has his own healing factor and is almost as fast as spidey relfex wise, and has the glider gadgets ect. GG wins


Easy on the drugs there

Slade makes GG a toy for his mantel...........

Originally posted by soleran30
Easy on the drugs there

Slade makes GG a toy for his mantel...........

I was going to retort to that, but on second thought half of the comic industry is probably on drugs anyway

GG has semi-bulletproof skin(can stand anythin below the power of a .45 magnum shot at point blank) not counting the armor. He also has a healing factor that allowed him to survive a dozen bombs webbed to his chest going off at the same time. Not to mention the fact that he has the mobility advantage here due to glider. Along with his batmanesque gadgets and whatnot.

totally underrated.

now how about them drugs?

Originally posted by Marcellus
now how about them drugs?


are you asking me what you are taking or that you want more

Slade has feats slamming impulse, putting down batman, metagrenades that knock out superboy...............................lots and lots of training in hand to hand not to mention he is a meta................and super regen..............a staff that hits with over 40tons of power etc etc



yup I think you better stay on the drugs

a staff that hits grouded opponent's? that means nothing, GG can FLY at 400 mph and enuf pumkin gas,bombs, incinderary, bomb's and vaporizing bombs to equal that arsenal. and GG is meta too...if that helps

we cant stop with the narcotic refereances, please show me how Batman is near the fighter Spiderman is. yeah Bat's has training in a traditional sense but Spiderman would waltz over him in H2H and Gobby fights Spiderman every other day. next argument?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=362451&perpage=20&highlight=reaspect+deathstroke&pagenumber=1

Take a peek DS handles people WAY outta SM league all the time.

The biggest reason SM has any fighting ability is due to his powers not his actually skills...................he has far far less training then DS, Wolverine, Cap a ton of guys...............great GG has some toys and when this is over DS will have all of GG toys as well as his own

i'm gonna have to go with my boy D-stroke, but then again i'm biased

Im not going to disagree with the Spiderman fighting ability, his powers make him what he is but the effect is the same a great fighter. From what I saw DS can argueably take GG in H2H, still I cant see him popping GG in mid flight while being pummeled by Pumin Bombs and electric gloves and such.

any scan's of him taking out anyone in mid flight? and as a correction the glider only goes 90mph.

Goblin gets the plasma staff blast to the face. RIP.

90mph is slow motion to Slade. We're talking about a man with instantaneous reactions and superhuman preceptions.

In Marvel, I think the highest rating of reflexes is a 7, which is instananeous. Quicksilver has a 5 or 6 I think.

Slade would do very well against GG.

ummm How can quicksilver have reaction than spiderman?, Spidersense is basicly precognition, something Slade dosent have. GG does have reflexs that are maybe a squinch slower than slades

GG skin can stop gunfire, and is only hurt when its in close range I.E. about 7 feet, trust me he will stay out of that range.

GG is very intellegent and would attack far out of harms way, is this some sort of telescopic staff than can streach a 100 yards?

GG has a healing factor that brought him back from near death twice, even if DS does clip him it wont kill him.

and honestly after more resaerch wiki stat's the glider can do 300mph, Spiderfan claimed 90. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Goblin It dosent really matter how fast its going it matters that he is a few stories up the entire time.

I'll post more tomarrow I suppose, Im going to sleep

Eh?

I said: Marvel's reflex rating system goes to 7, with 7 being the highest. 7 is instantaneous. Quicksilver, who is faster than both spiderman and GG is rated slower (a 5 or 6) than Slade if we use the rating system.

The only people with a 7 is heralds and a few others.

Slade is faster than GG. Smarter than GG. A better fighter than GG and has as many weapons.

GG, even at 300mph, isn't fast enough to blitz or even suprise Slade. Slade reacts with the speed of his superhuman thought process, which is 10x faster than normal. So, Slade can react 10x faster than human thought. His preceptions are superhuman, making GG appear slower to Slade than he would to others.

Slade only needs one blast to end GG's career. Not a gun blast, a plasma blast....the same one which he hits people who were running above the speed of sound.

Slade can see and target GG with his superhuman eyesight, he can know where GG is with his built in radar and he can attack before GG can. Slade's staff would reach GG no prob. When it does, game over.

Does the same not go for DS? how can a plethora of PB's not destroy Slade? It's not like GG use's firecraker's.

the speed of reaction times...I admit I cant argue miliseconds, sure Slades faster quite a bit so it seems, GG still has the terrain advantage I.E. anyware he can fly. speedblitzing is differnt from the air

On foot Slades faster, hand to Hand Slades faster, even if all thats true GG is still faster on the glider. much faster, It's not like GG flies around on that thing just for fun its practicly his arsenal.
Slades foot speed cant match the glider, not to mention GG could make it attack him on its own. then GG hits him with the Gloves

Im havent seen yet how DS is more intellegent tho, Norman was a brilliant scientist before he created the goblin formula and that made him much more intellegent. at this current standings Norman has one of the most brilliant minds on earth "possibly top 40", his insanity is a hinderance, but GG can calm himself and focus when needs be.

I did check the DS respect thread, I was unaware the staff fired projectiles but GG has been shot at before. still tho I give you guys that.
I may be underestimating DS, but I'll still tip my hat to a classic villian and root for him.

I guess this is a cop out, sure DS wins................. woot

Originally posted by long pig
Eh?

I said: Marvel's reflex rating system goes to 7, with 7 being the highest. 7 is instantaneous. Quicksilver, who is faster than both spiderman and GG is rated slower (a 5 or 6) than Slade if we use the rating system.

The only people with a 7 is heralds and a few others.

Slade is faster than GG. Smarter than GG. A better fighter than GG and has as many weapons.

GG, even at 300mph, isn't fast enough to blitz or even suprise Slade. Slade reacts with the speed of his superhuman thought process, which is 10x faster than normal. So, Slade can react 10x faster than human thought. His preceptions are superhuman, making GG appear slower to Slade than he would to others.

Slade only needs one blast to end GG's career. Not a gun blast, a plasma blast....the same one which he hits people who were running above the speed of sound.

Slade can see and target GG with his superhuman eyesight, he can know where GG is with his built in radar and he can attack before GG can. Slade's staff would reach GG no prob. When it does, game over. I don't get why people take Slade's speed out of context or just ignore it. He was hitting Wally as a teen titan. Later, in his own series, you see him chasing down Impulse on foot, and then pulling out his staff, targeting ahead of Impulse, taking out a chunk of concrete directly at Impulse's feat, causing him to come crashing down.

The man has a definite measure of superspeed.

Dammit, why the hell do people still bring those flash vs. DS feats?

IT'S FRIGGIN PIS PEOPLE!!

Slade like someone already said reacts as fast as his thought or 10x faster than any human. Yes that's considered superspeed no doubt. But how on earth would that warrant him to catch any Flash (even kid flash) on foot?

Jeez...............

Sorry, i just have to rant about that. But for the love of god, those are the flashes, not just some minor speedster like pietro.....

And as for the winner of the fight, it's Slade. Not because of his physical stats but because of his superior weapons.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Dammit, why the hell do people still bring those flash vs. DS feats?

IT'S FRIGGIN PIS PEOPLE!!

Slade like someone already said reacts as fast as his thought. Yes that' considered superspeed no doubt. But how on earth would that warrant him to catch Flash on foot.

Jeez...............

Sorry, i just have to rant about that. But for the love of god, those are the flashes, not just some minor speedster like pietro.....

And as for the winner of the fight, it's Slade. Not because of his physical stats but because of his superior weapons. If it happened one time, it would be PIS, but nearly a dozen times, and one has him chasing one down on foot?
I dunno, he catches them in awkward position.
Obviously he doesn't have the top end they do.

No it's still considered PIS. Much like Flash's opponents catching him while speeding several times. I like Slade, but i really have a problem when some DC guys pull off Pre crisis stunts like that or suddenly become immune to the speedblitz argument cause he caught him some time.

And the 10x thing was in the early issues of Deathstroke, he got several upgrades since then. After his first death and revival everyone was remarking how he was faster stronger and better than before.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
No it's still considered PIS. Much like Flash's opponents catching him while speeding several times. I like Slade, but i really have a problem when some DC guys pull off Pre crisis stunts like that or suddenly become immune to the speedblitz argument cause he caught him some time. Nah, he can hang with Flash for a short distance, provided one's not going all out. Flashes aren't ALWAYS moving beyond lightspeed. I agree, Flash CAN just purely outrun him. But him catching them making mistakes due to his good planning is by no means PIS.

When Thanos shot at Galactus and it knocked him backwards through this his ship, no one claims it was PIS when we know for a fact that A]Galactus would have seen it coming, and B} stopped it wtih ease. No they just say, "It's a good showing for Thanos."
Well. It's a good showing for Deathstroke.. all dozen or so times.

Yeah, and i guess that speed would have warrant him to be kick batman's ass before he can blink or pwn cassandra or catch nightwing before he can escape.

The upgrades didn't mention the just how much it improved him. It could be higher, but then again it might just be a minor upgrade. But even if he did, it still doesn't look basing on his normal appearance against other non-flash combatants that's it's anywhere near Wally's or Bart's speed.

Originally posted by Juntai
Nah, he can hang with Flash for a short distance, provided one's not going all out. Flashes aren't ALWAYS moving beyond lightspeed. I agree, Flash CAN just purely outrun him. But him catching them making mistakes due to his good planning is by no means PIS.

When Thanos shot at Galactus and it knocked him backwards through this his ship, no one claims it was PIS when we know for a fact that A]Galactus would have seen it coming, and B} stopped it wtih ease. No they just say, "It's a good showing for Thanos."
Well. It's a good showing for Deathstroke.. all dozen or so times.

WTF? i don't mean to rude or anything but how in the world is it similar to Thanos showing? Galactus got knocked backwards, so what? he's still a physical being afterall. That doesn't mean it actually hurt him that much. And thanos was also at his mercy at the end when he busted the several layers of shielding he erected. How is that not accurate?

The showing with Kid flash on the other hand had him practically catching a speeding Kid flash. Totally absurd considering how fast any Flash's reaction time should be.

And even if you say the flashes doesn't always travel at lightspeed, their average speed is still a lot faster than any enhanced human can cope with.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Yeah, and i guess that speed would have warrant him to be kick batman's ass before he can blink or pwn cassandra or catch nightwing before he can escape.

The upgrades didn't mention the just how much it improved him. It could be higher or lower. But even if he did, it still doesn't look basing on his normal appearance against other non-flash combatants that's it's anywhere near Wally's or Bart's speed.
Now you're confusing writing a good story vs combat feats. Enemies even occasionally get away from Flash.... Deathstroke is an example.


But since you mentioned it...
If you read the fight between him and Batman he was like "Why am I trying to fight like this is even? I'm faster than him, stronger than him" and it was over pretty quickly after that point. This was also when he was still weak with fluctuating powers.


And his upgrades could be higher or lower?
I'm sure the fact they were saying he was faster and stronger and better were indeed not a lowering of his skill set. lol.


In the end, Deathstroke is just out of GG's league. And if you compare feats, it will attest to certain victory. GG can't beat Spiderman... and Deathstroke is a team wrecker.

I didn't vote for GG here either but i really don't see any reason that his Flash vs. him feats could be credible. Anything else is feasable as long as the it doesn't really compares to SMvFl(he didn't even used an equipment to catch Bart, not even a trap. Just a plain gun and his speed and for wally his sword on IC). Either way i do think Norman is underrated but neverthless go down due to inferior equipment.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
WTF? i don't mean to rude or anything but how in the world is it similar to Thanos showing? Galactus got knocked backwards, so what? he's still a physical being afterall. That doesn't mean it actually hurt him that much. And thanos was also at his mercy at the end when he busted the several layers of shielding he erected. How is that not accurate?

The showing with Kid flash on the other hand had him practically catching a speeding Kid flash. Totally absurd considering how fast any Flash's reaction time should be.

And even if you say the flashes doesn't always travel at lightspeed, their average speed is still a lot faster than any enhanced human can cope with. If you read the end of my post, about "good showing for deathstroke", you'd know why I used the comparison. I know he didn't harm Galactus really, I read the comics. It was a good showing for Thanos.


And, Deathstroke's reaction speed is comparable. He sees the world in slow motion. He's said it himself.

He's impecibly fast. Remember the scene in the Matrix fighting amongst the pillars? That was a near ripoff of a Deathstroke comic where he fought Cheshire's highly trained mercs in the practice room after coming back to life..

I'm not saying he runs lightspeed or anything. His steps and reactions are very fast however. He's showed OVER and OVER and OVER again that can hang with Flashes for long enough to drop one. It's not really arguable imo.

Outrun one though? No, that'd be dumb.

Originally posted by Juntai
If you read the end of my post, about "good showing for deathstroke", you'd know why I used the comparison. I know he didn't harm Galactus really, I read the comics. It was a good showing for Thanos.


And, Deathstroke's reaction speed is comparable. He sees the world in slow motion. He's said it himself.

He's impecibly fast. Remember the scene in the Matrix fighting amongst the pillars? That was a near ripoff of a Deathstroke comic where he fought Cheshire's highly trained mercs in the practice room after coming back to life..

I'm not saying he runs lightspeed or anything. His steps and reactions are very fast however. He's showed OVER and OVER and OVER again that can hang with Flashes for long enough to drop one. It's not really arguable imo.

Outrun one though? No, that'd be dumb.

Once again yes, it's all true. DS indeed is fast and his world is in slowmo.

But Kid Flash is still significantly faster specially considering he was on a desperate run during the time Slade caught up with him. He's even faster than Jay Garrick for crying out loud.

I saw that feat with Cheshire's men and i have to say it's quite impressive, but that's still far far below than what a flash could acomplish accordingly.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Once again yes, it's all true. DS indeed is fast and his world is in slowmo.

But Kid Flash is still significantly faster specially considering he was on a desperate run during the time Slade caught up with him. He's even faster than Jay Garrick for crying out loud.

I saw that feat with Cheshire's men and i have to say it's quite impressive, but that's still far far below than what a flash could acomplish accordingly. I agree, but a few steps for a character doing whatever it takes to win is all he needs, and it's what he's been shown to do. In that part of the series, he was running/fighting for his life. He was giving it everything.

LOL GL is one plot after another with ridiculous feats all the time with a ring, same with SM now we get DS and people whine about his feats against a flash Nice so what get over it DS has shown time and time again to not nec be faster but his mind can keep up and predict and take them out as juntai said not because he is faster though.

That said GG perhaps is an undervalued character but DS stomps him flat.

riiiiiiiiiight.

A single meta-grenade and green goblin is dead (again) until some other moronic writer rapes the franchise enough to bring him back again !

Not that I'm trying to push the fight one way or the other because I made the thread out of curiosity but GG has his scriers as well.

Scriers are useless. They don't have power whatsoever and their tech is advanced though negligable due to them not having what it takes to use them effectively.

Originally posted by Juntai
Now you're confusing writing a good story vs combat feats. Enemies even occasionally get away from Flash.... Deathstroke is an example.


But since you mentioned it...
If you read the fight between him and Batman he was like "Why am I trying to fight like this is even? I'm faster than him, stronger than him" and it was over pretty quickly after that point. This was also when he was still weak with fluctuating powers.


And his upgrades could be higher or lower?
I'm sure the fact they were saying he was faster and stronger and better were indeed not a lowering of his skill set. lol.


In the end, Deathstroke is just out of GG's league. And if you compare feats, it will attest to certain victory. GG can't beat Spiderman... and Deathstroke is a team wrecker. With prep and extreme PIS/CIS going for him. If Slade sees the world in slo-mo, imagine how much slower it seems to the Flash. Why'd he run into the sword? Why'd dumb@$$ Kyle try to sock him(Maybe I just answered my own question)? Slade should win this, but if GG has the glider auto attack him and he himself attacks Slade as well, Slade may just get ventilated & pass out