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who would take this

i think silver sufer winning but..... the thing about
doomsday being immortal bothers me

Originally posted by jacobo0o
i think silver sufer winning but..... the thing about
doomsday being immortal bothers me


it gonna bother SS too. Doomsday wins

Silver Surfer is a bit faster than, DD. Surfer has quite a few ways to beat him. Surfer wins.

mighty doomsday!!!

Doomsday.

could u guys give some reasons of doomsday winning??

Jacco....... at last you can make a good thread, well done my padawan.....

Anyway, anybody has that scan where DD got good all of a sudden, slaying hordes of monsters, and in the end DD held that Supez cape..........

Sorry, I REALLY need to keep up my DC collection !!!

Doomsday beat a guy of pure energy (who had initially killed him) and he beat superman and darkseid without breaking a sweat in Hunter/Prey

thus he is unaffected by physical or energy attacks

Originally posted by masterbruce
Doomsday beat a guy of pure energy (who had initially killed him) and he beat superman and darkseid without breaking a sweat in Hunter/Prey

thus he is unaffected by physical or energy attacks

Depends on the version of Doomsday.

Surfer might well win the first bout but he would lose after that therefore Doomsday 9 out of 10 he loses to the first time round then becomes invulnerable to the power cosmic.

whirly's right as usual. the hunter/prey and beyond versions had already proven invulnerable to cosmic energy (omega beams). ss could buy time by teleporting him away seomwhere, but i don't see him beating the high end version of dd.

Silver Surfer has one of two options.

Frying Doomsday to death via power csomic, but never having that option again..

Or grappeling him, moving past light speeds to rip the space-time countiuem and as space-time is wrapping around them trying to compensate, throws Doomsday in the new dimension pit and quickly stops this abomonibal speed limit before Surfer gets trapped in a parrelel dimension as well. It won't really destroy Doomsday, but he'll be someone else'es problem..

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Silver Surfer has one of two options.

Frying Doomsday to death via power csomic, but never having that option again..

Or grappeling him, moving past light speeds to rip the space-time countiuem and as space-time is wrapping around them trying to compensate, throws Doomsday in the new dimension pit and quickly stops this abomonibal speed limit before Surfer gets trapped in a parrelel dimension as well. It won't really destroy Doomsday, but he'll be someone else'es problem.. which as a last resort type of manuever I'm lead to assume won't happen until after he's beaten.

Originally posted by leonidas
whirly's right as usual. the hunter/prey and beyond versions had already proven invulnerable to cosmic energy (omega beams). ss could buy time by teleporting him away seomwhere, but i don't see him beating the high end version of dd.

Surfer could time travel back in time and wipe him from existence just like he did Overlord. DD will probably not catch Surfer. Since forum rules state that both characters are bloodlusted and out for a kill, Surfer will not be a pacifist and hold back as he normally would. Normal Surfer might get his ass handed to him. Actually it's a pretty good possibility. But, if Surfer is pissed, he'd probably take it more times than not.

He'd use his speed to it's fullest, while building his strength via power cosmic. He could also use his cosmic awareness, something blue boy doesn't have, and possibly find a weakness or some type of energy signature DD is vulnerable to.

Surfer wins. Surfer has strength(via power cosmic), speed(FTL Tavel and reaction times), planet leveling blasts, cosmic awareness, and time traveling abilities. What does DD have going for him? DD has strength and durability. That's it. Oh wait, fire breath huh? Surfer occasionally flies through and absorbs suns, so fire breath probably wouldn't work on him. Surfer wins. Surfer's experience with dealing with DD type beings 'coughMorg With The Waters Of Lifecough' and Overlord.

Silver Surfer has the power to destroy a planet, he will fried Doomsday a$$ to ash.

DD may at some point become "un-destroyable," but he can never become "un-get-rid-of-able," mainly cuz he can't fly and doesn't control/project energy of any type, while Surfer can. It wouldn't be easy, but SS wins (most of the time, anyway).

Originally posted by Sentry
Surfer could time travel back in time and wipe him from existence just like he did Overlord. DD will probably not catch Surfer. Since forum rules state that both characters are bloodlusted and out for a kill, Surfer will not be a pacifist and hold back as he normally would. Normal Surfer might get his ass handed to him. Actually it's a pretty good possibility. But, if Surfer is pissed, he'd probably take it more times than not.

He'd use his speed to it's fullest, while building his strength via power cosmic. He could also use his cosmic awareness, something blue boy doesn't have, and possibly find a weakness or some type of energy signature DD is vulnerable to.

Surfer wins. Surfer has strength(via power cosmic), speed(FTL Tavel and reaction times), planet leveling blasts, cosmic awareness, and time traveling abilities. What does DD have going for him? DD has strength and durability. That's it. Oh wait, fire breath huh? Surfer occasionally flies through and absorbs suns, so fire breath probably wouldn't work on him. Surfer wins. Surfer's experience with dealing with DD type beings 'coughMorg With The Waters Of Lifecough' and Overlord.

surfer wins

and he can trap dd in a barrier, or just amp his strength kill dd with it then dd comes back ss amps his strength a bit more than what he initially kiled him with and kills him agian etc

surfer reaaranges his molecules to make him look like a DD tree or nothingness

i dont think doomsday could become immune to all the surfers powers. he weilds the power cosmic, he has a wide vatity of ways he can kill doomsday. and then when he comes back he can diversify. hes one of the strongest characters in marvel so combined with his speed and duribility i think he can kill doomsday by physically beating him to death. next time around he can rearange his molecules, if doomsday manages to come back after this he can use energy projectiles.

Ah, now this is a good matchup; Thank you, jacoboOo.
Surfer has the speed, toughness and energy projection to put down Doomsday - but it's getting DD to stay down that's the problem. Supes used all his solar energy reseves to 'kill' DD first time before going down; does Surfer has greater reserves in the power cosmic? Hmmm.
It may come to having to scoop him up and throwing him into a star or black hole, but there is no gurantee in this matchup.

DD wouldn’t do any better than Savage Hulk.

-SS using fraction of his power made Hulk look like a joke.

Amp that to the level of energy he used against Enslaver, Korvac , Mep , Champion etc.

SS will k.O doomsday.

Immune?

Let’s see ways SS can win

1) Molecular Annulations
2) Cosmic Blast capable to destroying worlds 1) (Superman’s punch seem to effect to curtain degree.)
3) Dimension Dumping (well dump him in Dif dimension, or timeline)
etc etc

Now let's See DD option.

He might be physical Superior to SS.

- Let’s See SS dealt with Durok (a guy physically Stronger than Thor and SS combined, SS took his best and defeated him.

The same Guy who defeated Thor with extreme ease, and laugh at his hammer.

- Savage Hulk, Mindless Hulk ------- SS took many hits without problem, end of battle you see SS don’t even scratch. DD might be stronger than Savage hulk but not by that much (if he is)

And after it's all said and done all DD can do it punch SS.

And Brutes don't do to well against someone who can go faster than light.

Hard to make contact wouldn’t you say.

SS wins

superman beat doomday. SS beat supermans ass

Surfer is too versatile to lose to Doomsday. After his first victory however, things would get very interesting.

If ss doesn't put him in another dimension or to the end of time DD wins, ss cant beat DD ligitimently...by which i mean kill him, he is immortal and will become immune to anything ss can throw at him...If DD gets his hands on SS he might just win...

Silver Surfer would win the first time but only the first time. Every time afterwards Doomsday would win.

Originally posted by jgiant
If ss doesn't put him in another dimension or to the end of time DD wins, ss cant beat DD ligitimently...by which i mean kill him, he is immortal and will become immune to anything ss can throw at him...If DD gets his hands on SS he might just win...
ya and DD punches so much harder than Hulk , and Durok?

Last time I check DD is that a physical monster nothing more.

SS already handle guys physical stronger than him.

Durok , Champion

ss will also win the second time the 3rd time the 4th time the 5th time the 6th time the 7th time 8th time 9th time 10th time 11th time 12th time 13th time 14 time 15th time 16th time 17th time 18th time 19th time 20th time 21th time 22th time 23th time 23th time 24th time 25th time...............

the Thing is dd can't die the same way twice but what you have to remember he can still be killed the same way if it is more powerful.

supes killed him with a punch
ss will kill him with a stronger punch by amping his physical strength and do this each time dd comes back until ss can't do it anymore then ss will simply move on to a different way of killing him "cosmic bolt, then dd comes back the ss does a more powerful cosmic bolt and so on or ss just puts him in a barrier or traps him in a nexues or something.

Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
the Thing is dd can't die the same way twice but what you have to remember he can still be killed the same way if it is more powerful.

supes killed him with a punch
ss will kill him with a stronger punch by amping his physical strength and do this each time dd comes back until ss can't do it anymore then ss will simply move on to a different way of killing him "cosmic bolt, then dd comes back the ss does a more powerful cosmic bolt and so on or ss just puts him in a barrier or traps him in a nexues or something.
nexues huh

Originally posted by kgkg
ya and DD punches so much harder than Hulk , and Durok?

Last time I check DD is that a physical monster nothing more.

SS already handle guys physical stronger than him.

Durok , Champion
DD will eventually become strong enough to lay the hurting on SS...Just like Thanos did...

Fistfight ? Doomsday. His punches hurt, ask Superman and Darkseid.

26th time 27th time 28th time 29th time 30th time 31st time 32nd time 33th time 34th time 35th time 36th time 37th time 38th time 39th time 40th time 41st time 42nd time 43rd time 44th time 45th time 46th time 47th time 48th time 49th time 50th time.

Originally posted by kgkg
nexues huh

indeed

Originally posted by jgiant
DD will eventually become strong enough to lay the hurting on SS...Just like Thanos did...
thanos used Cosmic energy to amp his fist.

DD will become stronger ya , and he is the Hulk rite

No matter what he isn’t any stronger than Mindless Hulk.

And he isn’t closed to Durok level

How doesn't he get stronger, superman said he did, and if he doesn't get stronger than how did he wup on sups in hunter prey...

Originally posted by jgiant
How doesn't he get stronger, superman said he did, and if he doesn't get stronger than how did he wup on sups in hunter prey...
He doesn't get stronger in fights , after it's all he dies he comes back immune.

But it's funny anytime Superman is fighting DD, Superman always did hurt DD.

It's not like Hulk where he get's stronger while fighting.

Mindless Hulk > DD in physical power

Durok >>>> DD in physical power

SS took the best of these guys

DD whould put good fight if he could fly, and has energy beams etc.

You didn't disprove that he doesn't get stronger during the fight, superman said in there first incounter something like "is this guy getting stronger", Doomsday also becomes stronger every time he dies, eventually he will become strong enough to beat ss...

IF SS fights Doomsday the same way he fights thanos...then SS will lose. Physically, there is no match here.

SS could use his powers to decieve, imprison, depower, or disintigrate DD IMO.

Doomsday wins.

Depower, Desintergrate? I doubt this...explain how ss can do these things to Doomsday?

Originally posted by Wynndar
SS could use his powers to decieve, imprison, depower, or disintigrate DD IMO.

GL tried to imprison DD. Failed.
Omega effect failed to do anything to DD, thats out of the question.
Doomsdays early battles had him fighting an energy being who was able to defeat him. That is no longer the case. The guy is basically immune to Surfer level energy blasts and effects...and Surfer isn't strong enough physically.

Besides, If surfer is that powerful, why did thanos beat him down physically that easily? Why didnt surfer use light speed reaction, power up his strength with cosmic power as well, turn thanos into glass, or go back in time to defeat him?

why indeed old chum

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
GL tried to imprison DD. Failed.
Omega effect failed to do anything to DD, thats out of the question.
Doomsdays early battles had him fighting an energy being who was able to defeat him. That is no longer the case. The guy is basically immune to Surfer level energy blasts and effects...and Surfer isn't strong enough physically.

Besides, If surfer is that powerful, why did thanos beat him down physically that easily? Why didnt surfer use light speed reaction, power up his strength with cosmic power as well, turn thanos into glass, or go back in time to defeat him?

*Gasp* Surfer defeated by...Thanos...?

Originally posted by Wynndar
*Gasp* Surfer defeated by...Thanos...?


"can this really be so? has the mighty Silver Surfer lost to the power of Doomsday?!??? or can he still manage to claim victory...we'll find out next time on....the Silver Surfer Chronicles

Surfer has great speed advantage.
diversity of power advantage.
flight advantage.


Doomsday is superpowerful.
came come back stronger and immune to same power that killed him.
has way more invulnerability than surfer. (DD is as invulnerable as superman.
DD has fighting skill advantage.
DD is way smarter than surfer (his iq is near that of superman).
DD wins after a long hard fight that injuries him slightly.
After that he heals as if he were nevr even injuried.


To put it this way:

"surfer is like a god, DD is like a slayer of gods."

"surfer is like a god,
YEP

"DD is like a slayer of gods."

NOPE MORE LIKE A TROLL

Can't SS devolve beings? If so, all that evolving and adaption DD has undergone is rendered useless. Matter manipulation is also handy, since I don't see DD coming back from having his atoms scattered across a few solar systems. Also, since he's never developed any kind of flight in spite of being trapped on deserted planets or in space and being defeated by flyers, tossing him in a black hole should work. At this point, he's so durable that it probably wont kill him, but he would never be able to break out either. Perfect solution.

Originally posted by Wynndar
*Gasp* Surfer defeated by...Thanos...?

Why....ummmmmmm....yes!

Seeing as SS has all these amazing abilities above Thanos (besides durability of course) why did he lose?

Thanos under his own power does not have...

Light speed of any kind.
Cannot travel in time.
Teleportation.
The power to transmute.
DD strength levels.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Why....ummmmmmm....yes!

Seeing as SS has all these amazing abilities above Thanos (besides durability of course) why did he lose?

Thanos under his own power does not have...

Light speed of any kind.
Cannot travel in time.
Teleportation.
The power to transmute.
DD strength levels.
...Wow. someone doesn't know much about Thanos.
He may not have actual super speed, but he does have the reaction time to react to Silver Surfer flying at him at FTL speeds.
He can teleport through the use of technology.
He can indeed transmute, because he's an Etneral. They all can. That's also the reason he's so insanely durable.
And, finally, he is far above any conventional herald level beings in pure physical strength. He's taken on Drax and Hulk and made fools of them. In one fight with Drax, they were unleashing to much force with their stuggle that they broke apart the planett hey were standing on. And Thanos wasn't even injured. Thanos is surfer times three AT LEAST.

Damn who posted that piece of shit from the corner of wrong and more wrong

Originally posted by Khellendros
...Wow. someone doesn't know much about Thanos.
He may not have actual super speed, but he does have the reaction time to react to Silver Surfer flying at him at FTL speeds.
He can teleport through the use of technology.
He can indeed transmute, because he's an Etneral. They all can. That's also the reason he's so insanely durable.
And, finally, he is far above any conventional herald level beings in pure physical strength. He's taken on Drax and Hulk and made fools of them. In one fight with Drax, they were unleashing to much force with their stuggle that they broke apart the planett hey were standing on. And Thanos wasn't even injured. Thanos is surfer times three AT LEAST.

Ok, my post said without Tech he can't teleport.
The FTL reaction time for thanos is bull. Captain America dodged Thanos easily until Thanos made the ground grab his legs.
Show Thanos transmuting something under his own power please. His durability is great against energy attacks and it seems like he has a lot less against physical attacks (or wolvies claws wouldnt penetrate him)

Hulk wasn't savage, and Drax is an idiot. No big whoop that he has beat them... He tricked Champ, blasted a very weak galactus, and used a device on Thor when he had the power gem.

I'll take Thanos over Doomsday every day of the week. A brick like Doomsday has got no business tangling with the conquerer of the Multiverse.

Surfer would defeat Doomsday rather easily, in my honest opinion. Too versatile, too fast, too powerful. Doomsday beating Surfer is almost as far-fetched as Hulk beating Superman.

Hey, Avvy.

Long time no see Cube. How da heck are ya?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Ok, my post said without Tech he can't teleport.
The FTL reaction time for thanos is bull. Captain America dodged Thanos easily until Thanos made the ground grab his legs.
Show Thanos transmuting something under his own power please. His durability is great against energy attacks and it seems like he has a lot less against physical attacks (or wolvies claws wouldnt penetrate him)

Hulk wasn't savage, and Drax is an idiot. No big whoop that he has beat them... He tricked Champ, blasted a very weak galactus, and used a device on Thor when he had the power gem.

Thanos most certainly can transmute matter. He can even shapeshift.
Getting dodged doesn't speak of poor reflexive speed. Wonder Woman has dodged the Flash, but that doesn't mean that Wally's reflexes are shabby in the least.

Good info Avvy, but when have you ever seen Thanos go for a fist fight with anyone who posed a physical threat? He's much smarter than that.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Long time no see Cube. How da heck are ya?

I'm great. College is so time consuming. *sigh*

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Thanos most certainly can transmute matter. He can even shapeshift.
Getting dodged doesn't speak of poor reflexive speed. Wonder Woman has dodged the Flash, but that doesn't mean that Wally's reflexes are shabby in the least.

Good info Avvy, but when have you ever seen Thanos go for a fist fight with anyone who posed a physical threat? He's much smarter than that.

He's smart enough to get out while the getting is good. In that Thanos is untouchable. The guy knows how to put on a great show.

When has Thanos transmuted matter under his own power or shapeshifted? Now that sounds interesting.

Ah, college life. The good old days.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He's smart enough to get out while the getting is good. In that Thanos is untouchable. The guy knows how to put on a great show.

When has Thanos transmuted matter under his own power or shapeshifted? Now that sounds interesting.

Ah, college life. The good old days.

Avoiding blows from a person who's clearly your physical superior is a bit different than running away from a fight. Can we be so sure that Doomsday is Thanos's physical superior? It's quite debatable.

Thanos manipulates matter pretty often. One good example is when he caused the ground to "grab" captain america, as you earlier mentioned. Shapeshifting? Not sure. I'm not a big Thanos reader, so I won't touch the subject.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Avoiding blows from a person who's clearly your physical superior is a bit different than running away from a fight. Can we be so sure that Doomsday is Thanos's physical superior? It's quite debatable.

Thanos manipulates matter pretty often. One good example is when he caused the ground to "grab" captain america, as you earlier mentioned. Shapeshifting? Not sure. I'm not a big Thanos reader, so I won't touch the subject.

Remember that when he used the ground the grab Captain America, he was wearing the Gauntlet. It wasn't under his own power.

The avoiding example was used because a human can't avoid someone who is FTL.

The best durability example I can think of for DD is when Supes left him at the end of time. After Supes left him there (time was frozen for supes until he left) even entropy didn't kill DD right away. Lets not forget that DD did go through the GL corps...still quite a feat.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Remember that when he used the ground the grab Captain America, he was wearing the Gauntlet. It wasn't under his own power.

The avoiding example was used because a human can't avoid someone who is FTL.

The best durability example I can think of for DD is when Supes left him at the end of time. After Supes left him there (time was frozen for supes until he left) even entropy didn't kill DD right away. Lets not forget that DD did go through the GL corps...still quite a feat.

You do know he was toying with Cap and the heroes right?

Thanos could've caught him anytime and killed Cap.

Originally posted by Beyonder
You do know he was toying with Cap and the heroes right?

Thanos could've caught him anytime and killed Cap.

He sure was..at first...
He realized they weren't a joke and went back to full power once he realized that he couldnt toy with them too much.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He sure was..at first...
He realized they weren't a joke and went back to full power once he realized that he couldnt toy with them too much.

Back to full power?

He didn't go back to anything. At full power, he waded through the cosmic deities. Unless, your suggesting the group of heroes were more durable than the group of cosmics?

All valid points, but if Thanos was serious about defeating them, he could have wiped them from existence using the gauntlet. Check out Thanos's fight with Champion of the Universe if you want to see how well he deals with opponents who are stronger than he is.

Entropy is simply useless energy, or heat. It's not as devestating as it sounds.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Back to full power?

He didn't go back to anything. At full power, he waded through the cosmic deities. Unless, your suggesting the group of heroes were more durable than the group of cosmics?

Yup, sure looks like he was toying with them here...

http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/4962/thanosdown24ap.jpg

Thanos own words after this...

"What have I been doing? Must have been out of my mind..."
"They came SO CLOSE. I nearly lost it all...!"
"Let me once again be ALL that I CAN BE!"
"I WILL MYSELF BACK TO FULL POWER!"
Taken straight from the book, right on my lap. After that is when the cosmics showed up and he handed them their ass...with the Gauntlet of course...

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
All valid points, but if Thanos was serious about defeating them, he could have wiped them from existence using the gauntlet. Check out Thanos's fight with Champion of the Universe if you want to see how well he deals with opponents who are stronger than he is.

Entropy is simply useless energy, or heat. It's not as devestating as it sounds.

Of course...if he did that...then we wouldn't have an entertaining story to read. He toned down the Gauntlet to 5% of its power in addition to his own to give the heroes a fair chance.

When things weren't going too well, He willed himself back to full strength.

Entropy when the universe dies is a different serious matter, but I get your drift also, and you are also correct.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yup, sure looks like he was toying with them here...

http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/4962/thanosdown24ap.jpg

Thanos own words after this...

"What have I been doing? Must have been out of my mind..."
"They came SO CLOSE. I nearly lost it all...!"
"Let me once again be ALL that I CAN BE!"
"I WILL MYSELF BACK TO FULL POWER!"
Taken straight from the book, right on my lap. After that is when the cosmics showed up and he handed them their ass...with the Gauntlet of course...

?Show the scan of the entire thing. Your post is different from your scan.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yup, sure looks like he was toying with them here...

Thanos own words after this...

"What have I been doing? Must have been out of my mind..."
"They came SO CLOSE. I nearly lost it all...!"
"Let me once again be ALL that I CAN BE!"
"I WILL MYSELF BACK TO FULL POWER!"
Taken straight from the book, right on my lap. After that is when the cosmics showed up and he handed them their ass...with the Gauntlet of course...

Wow. Is that King Thor?

Originally posted by Beyonder
?Show the scan of the entire thing. Your post is different from your scan.

Thats because it comes after this page.
Scanning takes time, you can go and get the book, I have no reason to lie.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Wow. Is that King Thor?

Nope, Lowly MR Masterson.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Thats because it comes after this page.
Scanning takes time, you can go and get the book, I have no reason to lie.

In school right now.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Nope, Lowly MR Masterson.

I reiterate, Wow...

Originally posted by Beyonder
In school right now.

Well, it's up to you then buddy. You can take my words that came straight from the book or not.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I reiterate, Wow...

I agree... Masterson did his thing... too bad about what happened to him once Thanos went back to full Gauntlet power.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

Thanos own words after this...

"What have I been doing? Must have been out of my mind..."
"They came SO CLOSE. I nearly lost it all...!"
"Let me once again be ALL that I CAN BE!"
"I WILL MYSELF BACK TO FULL POWER!"
Taken straight from the book, right on my lap. After that is when the cosmics showed up and he handed them their ass...with the Gauntlet of course...

He uttered these words after Silver Surfer nearly took the gauntlet as Silver Surfer sped past at the speed of light. That is what he is referring to.

Thanos cut himself off from all input from the Gauntlet. Warlock knew that the heroes had no chance of defeating Thanos. The plan was to keep him destracted so that SS could grab the Gauntlet. It almost worked, but SS missed.

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Jacco....... at last you can make a good thread, well done my padawan.....

Anyway, anybody has that scan where DD got good all of a sudden, slaying hordes of monsters, and in the end DD held that Supez cape..........

Sorry, I REALLY need to keep up my DC collection !!!

Here you go.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=361921&perpage=20&highlight=magog&pagenumber=2

I think Doomsday would win.

I believe if he could beat Champion Silver Surfer could easily beat Doomsday.

Doomsday beat a whole planet full of Green Lanterns.

Champion was Undefeated before Silver Surfer and He is billions of years old.

Originally posted by Jargon343
Doomsday beat a whole planet full of Green Lanterns.

He beat one, took the GL ring and beat the rest. He isn't taking Surfer's power cosmic - only getting his butt blasted.

Doomsday wins this.

Originally posted by Magic_attack
He uttered these words after Silver Surfer nearly took the gauntlet as Silver Surfer sped past at the speed of light. That is what he is referring to.

Thanos cut himself off from all input from the Gauntlet. Warlock knew that the heroes had no chance of defeating Thanos. The plan was to keep him destracted so that SS could grab the Gauntlet. It almost worked, but SS missed.

Exactly what my point was. He kept .5% of the gauntlets power which is still a decent enhancement, and was still having a hard time.

Originally posted by Beyonder
He beat one, took the GL ring and beat the rest. He isn't taking Surfer's power cosmic - only getting his butt blasted.

Really? Hmmm...DD manipulated Radiants own energy against him and killed him.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/ddradiantkill.jpg

Waverider gets knocked the F*** out when trying to tamper with DD's form. Waverider is also more powerful than Surfer.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/ddwaverider.jpg

Unless Surfer can produce energy blasts on Imperiex prime caliber, he isn't pulling anything off with blasts or manipulation.

Isn't Radiant composed of energy? Something like Wonder Man?

Waverider is trying to manipulate Doomsday's matter in that scan? It isn't very clear. (Not the quality of the scan, mind you.)

Can we be certain that Waverider is more powerful than Surfer?

Hah! Waverider and Surfer mean the same thing! Brilliant!

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Exactly what my point was. He kept .5% of the gauntlets power which is still a decent enhancement, and was still having a hard time.

More like 0%. He said that he had cut himself off from all input from the Gauntlet.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
More like 0%. He said that he had cut himself off from all input from the Gauntlet.

From all SENSORY INPUT. He actually kept the rest of the gaunlets power giving the heroes .05% chance of victory.

I propose that the Surfer would best defeat Doomsday in this manner. Number one: he doesn't kill him, thus nullifying DD's power to come back stronger. Number two: he attacks DD on the cellular/molecular/atomic or even subatomic level; specifically, he places cosmic forcefields in the spaces of neuron synapse. This way, DD's brain cells cant talk to one another, and DD cant move, talk or even think. He is not destroyed, just rendered null and void. Doomsday is macroscopic brute force; he has (at least to my knowledge) demonstrated no defense against, or even awareness of, attack on the levels mentioned above.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Waverider is trying to manipulate Doomsday's matter in that scan? It isn't very clear. (Not the quality of the scan, mind you.)

Can we be certain that Waverider is more powerful than Surfer?

Hah! Waverider and Surfer mean the same thing! Brilliant!

Controls energy, in addition to time manipulation? I would say thats more powerful. Earlier in the book he also tried some psychic tactic and it failed as well.

Originally posted by Mindship
I propose that the Surfer would best defeat Doomsday in this manner. Number one: he doesn't kill him, thus nullifying DD's power to come back stronger. Number two: he attacks DD on the cellular/molecular/atomic or even subatomic level; specifically, he places cosmic forcefields in the spaces of neuron synapse. This way, DD's brain cells cant talk to one another, and DD cant move, talk or even think. He is not destroyed, just rendered null and void. Doomsday is macroscopic brute force; he has (at least to my knowledge) demonstrated no defense against, or even awareness of, attack on the levels mentioned above.

That is what waverider tried and received "feedback"
DD can also evolve on the fly without death, which he had done more than once already in mid battle.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Isn't Radiant composed of energy? Something like Wonder Man?

Whatever he was, his energy was manipulated.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Controls energy, in addition to time manipulation? I would say thats more powerful. Earlier in the book he also tried some psychic tactic and it failed as well.

Surfer controls energy with great efficiency, but I haven't seen him do much more than travel through time by exceeding light speed. His ability to manipulate time to a certain extent doesn't necessarily mean that Waverider is more powerful, does it?

Both of these guys Doomsday defeated were composed of energy. Coincidence?

Hmm. Verrrry eenteresting. That impression wasnt given in the prior posts. I request more data to assess the exact method of Waverider's strategy.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Whatever he was, his energy was manipulated.

Because he is energy. Correct?Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That is what waverider tried and received "feedback"
DD can also evolve on the fly without death, which he had done more than once already in mid battle.

Your scan doesn't make that very clear.

Originally posted by Mindship
Hmm. Verrrry eenteresting. That impression wasnt given in the prior posts. I request more data to assess the exact method of Waverider's strategy.

Exactly what I meant to say, only worded better.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Surfer controls energy with great efficiency, but I haven't seen him do much more than travel through time by exceeding light speed. His ability to manipulate time to a certain extent doesn't necessarily mean that Waverider is more powerful, does it?

Both of these guys Doomsday defeated were composed of energy. Coincidence?

Of course it does. Time manipulation on that level makes him much more powerful. For example. De age someone out of existence? Erase them all together. Stop time effortlessly? Add that to energy manipulation and that is quite a powerful arsenal.

Controlling energy with great efficiency doesn't mean much when your energy can alter it and turn it into feedback on the fly. Physically, Surfer isn't doing much either.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Exactly what I meant to say, only worded better.

Hunter/Prey numero tres mi amigo!

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Hunter/Prey numero tres mi amigo!

Don't have it. I heard Hunter Prey Doomsday was bad-ass, though.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Because he is energy. Correct?

Correct, Surfers powers are based on Cosmic Energy right?


Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Your scan doesn't make that very clear.

He tried to manipulate DD's nervous system. What I'm showing you is the result. I don't feel like damaging my book anymore by stretching it wide open for the scan. Sorry bout that.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Of course it does. Time manipulation on that level makes him much more powerful. For example. De age someone out of existence? Erase them all together. Stop time effortlessly? Add that to energy manipulation and that is quite a powerful arsenal.

Controlling energy with great efficiency doesn't mean much when your energy can alter it and turn it into feedback on the fly. Physically, Surfer isn't doing much either.

Agreed. One would wonder why Waverider wouldn't perform such a tactic on Doomsday. PIS I suppose. It seems that Doomsday tends to make people overestimate themselves.

I wouldn't want to see a Surfer vs. Doomsday fist fight.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Agreed. One would wonder why Waverider wouldn't perform such a tactic on Doomsday. PIS I suppose. It seems that Doomsday tends to make people overestimate themselves.

I wouldn't want to see a Surfer vs. Doomsday fist fight. Have you read the comic?
At the end, Waverider sends Doomsday into the entropy at the end of time.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Correct, Surfers powers are based on Cosmic Energy right?




He tried to manipulate DD's nervous system. What I'm showing you is the result. I don't feel like damaging my book anymore by stretching it wide open for the scan. Sorry bout that.

Aha, but he is not composed of energy!

That's quite coincidental... j/k

Originally posted by Juntai
Have you read the comic?
At the end, Waverider sends Doomsday into the entropy at the end of time.

I haven't. Thank you.

Can Doomsday timetravel?

Could Doomsday evolve to be immune to himself?

Somewhere in the multiverse (hell, we'll search the Omniverse if we have to), there is a Good Doomsday ("Rapture"?). We bring him into this universe, and we just pit the two against each other. Man, imagine ringside seats to that one.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Agreed. One would wonder why Waverider wouldn't perform such a tactic on Doomsday. PIS I suppose. It seems that Doomsday tends to make people overestimate themselves.

I wouldn't want to see a Surfer vs. Doomsday fist fight.

Ahh..so maybe you can understand why I had wondered why Surfer did exactly that with Thanos.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Ahh..so maybe you can understand why I had wondered why Surfer did exactly that with Thanos.

Originally posted by Mindship
Could Doomsday evolve to be immune to himself?

Somewhere in the multiverse (hell, we'll search the Omniverse if we have to), there is a Good Doomsday ("Rapture"?). We bring him into this universe, and we just pit the two against each other. Man, imagine ringside seats to that one.

Let's not forget Doomsboy...

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I haven't. Thank you.

Can Doomsday timetravel? Later on, Brainiac went to the exact point he was left there and grabbed him, thinking he could put the most powerful mind into the most powerful ever evolving body the universe has ever known. . . . only.. Doomsday evolved to beat this pretty quickly.

Originally posted by Mindship
Could Doomsday evolve to be immune to himself?

Somewhere in the multiverse (hell, we'll search the Omniverse if we have to), there is a Good Doomsday ("Rapture"?). We bring him into this universe, and we just pit the two against each other. Man, imagine ringside seats to that one.

What if the Presence killed Doomsday?

< envisioning Doomswoman :::eewwww:::

Originally posted by Juntai
Later on, Brainiac went to the exact point he was left there and grabbed him, thinking he could put the most powerful mind into the most powerful ever evolving body the universe has ever known. . . . only.. Doomsday evolved to beat this pretty quickly.

Beat what?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
What if the Presence killed Doomsday? Presence does not take action, but if it's hand of vengeance The Spectre wanted to end Doomsday, it would irrevocably be the end of Doomsday as it is with all things.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Beat what? The mind control.
Highly advanced tech based.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Aha, but he is not composed of energy!
Ah! But energy has been manipulated on the fly. DD had NEVER faced Waverider before. He's no more an energy being that SS is. I'll admit that Radiant was pure energy. Though.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That's quite coincidental... j/k
That's my evil scheme... bwa ha hahahaaa!

Originally posted by Juntai
Presence does not take action, but if it's hand of vengeance The Spectre wanted to end Doomsday, it would irrevocably be the end of Doomsday as it is with all things.

Guy knows his stuff.

Originally posted by Juntai
The mind control.
Highly advanced tech based.

Oh.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Ah! But energy has been manipulated on the fly. DD had NEVER faced Waverider before. He's no more an energy being that SS is. I'll admit that Radiant was pure energy. Though.


That's my evil scheme... bwa ha hahahaaa!

BUT! Waverider beat Doomsday. Surfer can too. All he needs to do is learn how to manipulate time.

You diabolical madman!

We will continue this later!

TTYL

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
BUT! Waverider beat Doomsday. Surfer can too. All he needs to do is learn how to manipulate time.

You diabolical madman!

We will continue this later!

TTYL

Actually, Supes motherbox used Waveriders energies to toss them all into the end of existence. Waverider woke up, grabbed Supes and got the hell out of dodge.

All Surfer needs is that pesky time gem now!

Have a good one bro!

Doomsday fought the Energy being for over a week. Can Surfer even fight that long?

Originally posted by dvampire
Doomsday fought the Energy being for over a week. Can Surfer even fight that long?

He fought Gog and his army for a hundred years straight.


And he fought Radiant (the energy guy) for a week straight the first time, but in the rematch he won in like ten seconds flat.

To answer some earlier questions in the thread, if they have already been answered than ignore this:

Waverider isn't an energy being. He is a Linear Man...someone who exists outside of time and makes sure no one screws with the time stream. This is why he didn't simply go back in time and kill doomsdays creator or anything like that. He has the potential to be one of the most powerful beings in the universe, in fact he is, but he doesn't screw with time, he preserves it. He was in fact overstepping his boundaries simply by helping Superman find Doomsday in Hunter/Prey. Also, he wasn't the one who took Doomsday to the end of time, Superman did. He just brought them back.

When he was getting the feedback from Doomsday, he was trying to find somekind of central nervous system or anything he could shut down in order to kill him. But the result you saw in the previous scans.

Many people are under the impression that Doomsday is just a big dumb rock that's really strong and don't give him enough credit. Doomsdays real power is he can sense his opponents weaknesses. You could argue that that's why he was marching towards metropolis in the Death of Superman arch...if he hadn't, Superman wouldn't of had to get into a close up brawl with him and he could have won. But Doomsday knew that Supermans weakness is his friends and family...supes had to get down and dirty with him in metropolis to save Lois, Jimmy and everyone.

He did the same thing in Hunter/Prey. When he was on Calaton, he was marching straight for the central reactor to destroy it. Again, Superman had to get down and brawl with him to keep him from destroying the reactor. And he would have won that fight hands down too if it weren't for Waverider's bracelet being used.

Originally posted by Jargon343
To answer some earlier questions in the thread, if they have already been answered than ignore this:

Waverider isn't an energy being. He is a Linear Man...someone who exists outside of time and makes sure no one screws with the time stream. This is why he didn't simply go back in time and kill doomsdays creator or anything like that. He has the potential to be one of the most powerful beings in the universe, in fact he is, but he doesn't screw with time, he preserves it. He was in fact overstepping his boundaries simply by helping Superman find Doomsday in Hunter/Prey. Also, he wasn't the one who took Doomsday to the end of time, Superman did. He just brought them back.

When he was getting the feedback from Doomsday, he was trying to find somekind of central nervous system or anything he could shut down in order to kill him. But the result you saw in the previous scans.

Many people are under the impression that Doomsday is just a big dumb rock that's really strong and don't give him enough credit. Doomsdays real power is he can sense his opponents weaknesses. You could argue that that's why he was marching towards metropolis in the Death of Superman arch...if he hadn't, Superman wouldn't of had to get into a close up brawl with him and he could have won. But Doomsday knew that Supermans weakness is his friends and family...supes had to get down and dirty with him in metropolis to save Lois, Jimmy and everyone.

He did the same thing in Hunter/Prey. When he was on Calaton, he was marching straight for the central reactor to destroy it. Again, Superman had to get down and brawl with him to keep him from destroying the reactor. And he would have won that fight hands down too if it weren't for Waverider's bracelet being used.

Very informative. Kudos.

Surfer can time travel, and he can take people with him whilst doing so. Couldn't he attempt the same thing Superman did?

On a side note, query: isn't Doomsday somewhat vulnerable to Kryptonite radiation?

Originally posted by dvampire
Doomsday fought the Energy being for over a week. Can Surfer even fight that long?

His stamina isn't that terrible. Surfer is up for plenty of fighting, so long as he can continue to absorb energy, and provided that he doesn't use up too much of it at once.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Very informative. Kudos.

Surfer can time travel, and he can take people with him whilst doing so. Couldn't he attempt the same thing Superman did?

On a side note, query: isn't Doomsday somewhat vulnerable to Kryptonite radiation?

I'm not fimiliar with Surfers time traveling abilities. Someone earlier said that he travels through time by going faster than light, but that could only make someone go backwards through time. Actually it's considerably more complicated than that but that's the gist...you wouln't get to the end of time any faster by traveling at super luminous speeds.

I don't think it's ever been clearly stated wheather or not Doomsday is vulnerable to Kryptonite. The experiment that made him was done on Krypton, and that's where he did most of his evolving, so it's possible he is vulnerable to it. However, whatever type of creature he was before the experiments, he was not a Kryptonian. He looked alot like a human baby actually. So that would indicate that he is not vulnerable to Kryptonite.

Also, if he encountered any Kryponite during his early development, and it killed him, then he would be immune to it now.

silver surver fast far more power also. doom day bone claws would shatter on silver surfers skin

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Really? Hmmm...DD manipulated Radiants own energy against him and killed him.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/ddradiantkill.jpg

Waverider gets knocked the F*** out when trying to tamper with DD's form. Waverider is also more powerful than Surfer.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/ddwaverider.jpg

Unless Surfer can produce energy blasts on Imperiex prime caliber, he isn't pulling anything off with blasts or manipulation.

How much more proof do you guys need to show you that Doomsday would make a barbie doll out of Silver Surfer?

Doomsday killed the entire GL Corps!!! Brushed his teeth with Darkseid's fully focused Omega Beam before turning Darkseid into mashed potatoes with no effort!!! Beat the living daylight out of superman after superman got all teched up with motherbox, but through superman like hot knife through butter!!! He would literally make a surfboard out of silver surfer!!!

how do you guys not get this, Doomsday is the ultimate killing machine, aside from perhaps magic and taking him out of the time specturm, there's NO way to beat him in his evolved state.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
silver surver fast far more power also. doom day bone claws would shatter on silver surfers skin

that's an idiotic statement

doomsday's claws cut through a fully energized superman like it was kleenex, he would make Surfer bleed more than he ever has

Originally posted by masterbruce
How much more proof do you guys need to show you that Doomsday would make a barbie doll out of Silver Surfer?

Doomsday killed the entire GL Corps!!! Brushed his teeth with Darkseid's fully focused Omega Beam before turning Darkseid into mashed potatoes with no effort!!! Beat the living daylight out of superman after superman got all teched up with motherbox, but through superman like hot knife through butter!!! He would literally make a surfboard out of silver surfer!!!

how do you guys not get this, Doomsday is the ultimate killing machine, aside from perhaps magic and taking him out of the time specturm, there's NO way to beat him in his evolved state.
Surfer is considerably different from (though not necessarily more powerful than,) the names you've mentioned.

Surfer might not be able to take Doomsday in direct combat, but where there's a will there's a way. Surfer has many abilities that may or may not be of use fighting Doomsday.

Has anyone ever tried manipulating Doomsday's molecular structure and failed?

Originally posted by Jargon343
I'm not fimiliar with Surfers time traveling abilities. Someone earlier said that he travels through time by going faster than light, but that could only make someone go backwards through time. Actually it's considerably more complicated than that but that's the gist...you wouln't get to the end of time any faster by traveling at super luminous speeds.

I don't think it's ever been clearly stated wheather or not Doomsday is vulnerable to Kryptonite. The experiment that made him was done on Krypton, and that's where he did most of his evolving, so it's possible he is vulnerable to it. However, whatever type of creature he was before the experiments, he was not a Kryptonian. He looked alot like a human baby actually. So that would indicate that he is not vulnerable to Kryptonite.

Also, if he encountered any Kryponite during his early development, and it killed him, then he would be immune to it now.

Good points.

The reason I brought up the Kryptonite weakness is because I recall reading someone mentioning it while exposing Doomsday and Superman to Kryptonite. Something about him having kryptonian DNA...

silver surfer is so much more durable then superman it is not even funny. do u even realize what his skinn is made of. there only been I think to things that have ever cut him

Originally posted by masterbruce
How much more proof do you guys need to show you that Doomsday would make a barbie doll out of Silver Surfer?

Doomsday killed the entire GL Corps!!! Brushed his teeth with Darkseid's fully focused Omega Beam before turning Darkseid into mashed potatoes with no effort!!! Beat the living daylight out of superman after superman got all teched up with motherbox, but through superman like hot knife through butter!!! He would literally make a surfboard out of silver surfer!!!

how do you guys not get this, Doomsday is the ultimate killing machine, aside from perhaps magic and taking him out of the time specturm, there's NO way to beat him in his evolved state.

How much proof?



We'll I guess according to Draco, an energy wielder is greater than DD.

Noob GL > DD.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
silver surfer is so much more durable then superman it is not even funny. do u even realize what his skinn is made of. there only been I think to things that have ever cut him

His durability varies. Sometimes he can withstand black hole level gravity. Sometimes he gets cut by magical/power-cosmic daggers. It's up to the writer.

When a character is inconsistant, people tend to display them when they're at their weakest.

Originally posted by Beyonder
How much proof?



We'll I guess according to Draco, an energy wielder is greater than DD.

Noob GL > DD.

Haha! Doomsday has a bone-wiener!

true

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Good points.

The reason I brought up the Kryptonite weakness is because I recall reading someone mentioning it while exposing Doomsday and Superman to Kryptonite. Something about him having kryptonian DNA...

Im pretty sure that if he had it, he wouldve evolved from that weakness pretty fast

Originally posted by Beyonder
How much proof?



We'll I guess according to Draco, an energy wielder is greater than DD.

Noob GL > DD.

from the last frame of that page, things don't look so good for that GL

second, isnt that doomsday the version before he even fought superman when he was barely evolved, thats def not the hunter/prey version, in which case your whole point would be moot

Originally posted by masterbruce
from the last frame of that page, things don't look so good for that GL

second, isnt that doomsday the version before he even fought superman when he was barely evolved, thats def not the hunter/prey version, in which case your whole point would be moot

Yeah, not good only because "he easily imprisons him and keeps him imprisoned until his conference with the Guardians takes his attention away from the cell," and I quote.

<<We'll I guess according to Draco, an energy wielder is greater than DD.
Noob GL > DD.>>

seriously, you have to be kidding. as ALWAYS, it depends on WHICH state of evolution you're talking about. dd at an early stage would lose. dd at his highest stage would win. clearly, that was an early stage in the scan. a later stage demolished the ENTIRE corps. maybe BECAUSE he'd PREVIOUSLY (ie in the one in the scan . . .) encountered and evolved beyond a gl's energy . . .?

Originally posted by leonidas
<<We'll I guess according to Draco, an energy wielder is greater than DD.
Noob GL > DD.>>

seriously, you have to be kidding. as ALWAYS, it depends on WHICH state of evolution you're talking about. dd at an early stage would lose. dd at his highest stage would win. clearly, that was an early stage in the scan. a later stage demolished the ENTIRE corps. maybe BECAUSE he'd PREVIOUSLY (ie in the one in the scan . . .) encountered and evolved beyond a gl's energy . . .?

...with a GL ring. He didn't own them all by himself.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<We'll I guess according to Draco, an energy wielder is greater than DD.
Noob GL > DD.>>

seriously, you have to be kidding. as ALWAYS, it depends on WHICH state of evolution you're talking about. dd at an early stage would lose. dd at his highest stage would win. clearly, that was an early stage in the scan. a later stage demolished the ENTIRE corps. maybe BECAUSE he'd PREVIOUSLY (ie in the one in the scan . . .) encountered and evolved beyond a gl's energy . . .? Doomsday at his best would definately pose a threat to Surfer, but I don't see it as a definite win for Doomsday, either. Surfer has a wide variety of abilities. Some of them could be used effectively against Hunter-Prey Doomsday. Others couldn't.

the hunter/prey doomsday wasn't even the MOST advanced. i think the ss could likely stalemate even the highest dd by time travelling or just staying away from him or stalling in other ways, but ss couldn't kill or defeat him. if it got in close with the highly evolved form, dd would kill him. i mean the ENTIRE corps couldn't stop him . . .

maybe there's something I don't know...is SIlver Surfer more powerful than thousands of Green Lanterns

if so, maybe you guys have a point that he could defeat doomsday

<<maybe there's something I don't know...is SIlver Surfer more powerful than thousands of Green Lanterns
if so, maybe you guys have a point that he could defeat doomsday>>

Originally posted by masterbruce
maybe there's something I don't know...is SIlver Surfer more powerful than thousands of Green Lanterns

if so, maybe you guys have a point that he could defeat doomsday
SS is stronger than any Gl.

But DD defeated the Corp long time ago

and you know how the Corp sucks except like 5 Gl's


Superman was able to keep up with DD, SS has to much powers + speed.

Hulk
Durok > DD

"Superman was able to keep up with DD"

riiiiiight...thats why he had to transport him to the end of time


and even if what you say about GL is correct that theres only 5 powerful ones...are you saying that silver surfer is more powerful than Hal, Kyle, John, etc combind?

siver surfer cant beat darkseid, but doomsday nearly killed darkseid.
doomsday wins

Originally posted by masterbruce
"Superman was able to keep up with DD"

riiiiiight...thats why he had to transport him to the end of time


and even if what you say about GL is correct that theres only 5 powerful ones...are you saying that silver surfer is more powerful than Hal, Kyle, John, etc combind?

Riiiight. Now give Surfer the GL ring, then well see. DD stole a GL ring and defeated the Corps.

Originally posted by cheldon
siver surfer cant beat darkseid, but doomsday nearly killed darkseid.
doomsday wins


...but apparently Superman can own Darkseid's ass.

Originally posted by cheldon
siver surfer cant beat darkseid, but doomsday nearly killed darkseid.
doomsday wins

Depends on which Darkseid you're talking about. I'd give Surfer a leg up on the Darkseid DD fought.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Riiiight. Now give Surfer the GL ring, then well see. DD stole a GL ring and defeated the Corps.

yeah because having the ring makes defeating 7000 Green Lanterns a piece of cake, right?

Originally posted by leonidas
maybe there's something I don't know...is SIlver Surfer more powerful than thousands of Green Lanterns
if so, maybe you guys have a point that he could defeat doomsday

At his best, he may just be.

Originally posted by masterbruce
yeah because having the ring makes defeating 7000 Green Lanterns a piece of cake, right?

That would depend on the strength of your will power. smartass