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This has been done many times. Perhaps only Batman vs Captain America has been discussed more. I tried to respond but was led here so I'll start my post.
First: A few overlooked facts about each.
Magic: Magic is NOT a GUARENTEED victory over Superman. He's just as vulnerable as the average guy. Superman can beat magic based beings if he can work around the magic. It all depends on the weilder. Dr. Strange will give him fits, before losing. Some of the rest can be formidable but will still lose.
Magic, in the way THOR uses it, can be used to beat Superman, however, it all depends on what's at stake and how Superman fights.
Advantage: THOR
SPEED: THOR DOES NOT HAVE SUPERSPEED. I have heard this ridiculous claim before. He's never been written that way and it doesn't hold true here. It can used for travel but that's it. .......................Superman uses it for travel and for fighting, though not as often as he should. Still
Advantage: Superman
STRENGTH: Superman has the clear edge here. FORGET all that garbage about "10 TIMES Berserker Rage (chalk that up to POOR 89--96 writing. That was the WORST era in comics. During that time, Wolverine---could take on Galactus------and win).
ALSO---------Rule out the "Belt of Strength", as that was used only at times when THOR was otherwise weakened by other means.
Neither is used on a regular basis for THOR. I rule this out, just as I rule out anything that concerns "Pre-Crisis Superman"
Advantage: Superman
POWERS: THOR has the Mjolnir, and all it is capable of. Superman has his various powers. THOR has the edge here. He would have a bigger edge if we were talking a fight to the death, which I will not even discuss about heroes.
Thunder God vs Super Alien: Again, no guarenteed win for THOR here. If that were the case, he'd be Undefeated in the MU, another thing the "Guniesses" at WIZARD overlooked. THOR HAS A FEW LOSSES TO MORTALS UNDER HIS BELT, though, to his credit, NOT MANY.
In my view, "Superhero fights are fun to discuss but I do so from a "Win by KO" perspective, not a "Kill" perspective.
THE FIGHT
Thor would take a pounding after gaining an early lead with the attack of Mjolnir. People often speak as if Superman would simply stand there and take each attack. WIZARD MAG (very Pro-Marvel) once stated that THOR would win after the "143rd" blast. SO SUPERMAN WOULD JUST STAND THERE? WHat is he doing from 1--to--142. ------------AND These same clowns had Wolverine beating Green Lantern. RIIIIGHT.
The Power of Mjolnir would trouble Superman early. THOR CAN NOT WIN UNLESS HE USES MJOLNIR. IT's That Simple.
Superman will eventually figure a way to avoid further attack from Mjolnir. He will learn, quickly, that it's not a healthy thing to take too much from the hammer.
Superman will try his various vision attacks but non would really hurt THOR. Some might pose a distraction for further attacks but none would stop him.
The fight would boil down to a SUPER_SLUG FEST, with Superman, not totally relying on Speed, but landing punches about 3--to--1. THOR would still use Mjolnir and move a lot of earth in the process. He would surely do some damage with it.
Superman would avoid enough of Mjolnir's attacks to gain an edge later in the fight. I don't see Superman winning by KO as easily as he did in the Crossover. However, he wins in much the same way. There just isn't enough pages (or money to pay the artists) to do it the way it should be done.
There are ways THOR could win. However, I'm talking about ONE battle with the most likely victor. That would be.................
Winner: Superman by KO
Kal-EL would surely KNOW he was in a fight.
First: A few overlooked facts about each.
Magic: Magic is NOT a GUARENTEED victory over Superman. He's just as vulnerable as the average guy. Superman can beat magic based beings if he can work around the magic. It all depends on the weilder. Dr. Strange will give him fits, before losing. Some of the rest can be formidable but will still lose.
Magic, in the way THOR uses it, can be used to beat Superman, however, it all depends on what's at stake and how Superman fights.
Advantage: THOR
SPEED: THOR DOES NOT HAVE SUPERSPEED. I have heard this ridiculous claim before. He's never been written that way and it doesn't hold true here. It can used for travel but that's it. .......................Superman uses it for travel and for fighting, though not as often as he should. Still
Advantage: Superman
STRENGTH: Superman has the clear edge here. FORGET all that garbage about "10 TIMES Berserker Rage (chalk that up to POOR 89--96 writing. That was the WORST era in comics. During that time, Wolverine---could take on Galactus------and win).
ALSO---------Rule out the "Belt of Strength", as that was used only at times when THOR was otherwise weakened by other means.
Neither is used on a regular basis for THOR. I rule this out, just as I rule out anything that concerns "Pre-Crisis Superman"
Advantage: Superman
POWERS: THOR has the Mjolnir, and all it is capable of. Superman has his various powers. THOR has the edge here. He would have a bigger edge if we were talking a fight to the death, which I will not even discuss about heroes.
Thunder God vs Super Alien: Again, no guarenteed win for THOR here. If that were the case, he'd be Undefeated in the MU, another thing the "Guniesses" at WIZARD overlooked. THOR HAS A FEW LOSSES TO MORTALS UNDER HIS BELT, though, to his credit, NOT MANY.
In my view, "Superhero fights are fun to discuss but I do so from a "Win by KO" perspective, not a "Kill" perspective.
THE FIGHT
Thor would take a pounding after gaining an early lead with the attack of Mjolnir. People often speak as if Superman would simply stand there and take each attack. WIZARD MAG (very Pro-Marvel) once stated that THOR would win after the "143rd" blast. SO SUPERMAN WOULD JUST STAND THERE? WHat is he doing from 1--to--142. ------------AND These same clowns had Wolverine beating Green Lantern. RIIIIGHT.
The Power of Mjolnir would trouble Superman early. THOR CAN NOT WIN UNLESS HE USES MJOLNIR. IT's That Simple.
Superman will eventually figure a way to avoid further attack from Mjolnir. He will learn, quickly, that it's not a healthy thing to take too much from the hammer.
Superman will try his various vision attacks but non would really hurt THOR. Some might pose a distraction for further attacks but none would stop him.
The fight would boil down to a SUPER_SLUG FEST, with Superman, not totally relying on Speed, but landing punches about 3--to--1. THOR would still use Mjolnir and move a lot of earth in the process. He would surely do some damage with it.
Superman would avoid enough of Mjolnir's attacks to gain an edge later in the fight. I don't see Superman winning by KO as easily as he did in the Crossover. However, he wins in much the same way. There just isn't enough pages (or money to pay the artists) to do it the way it should be done.
There are ways THOR could win. However, I'm talking about ONE battle with the most likely victor. That would be.................
Winner: Superman by KO
Kal-EL would surely KNOW he was in a fight.