Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

According to an internet article the son of Tolkin has completed one of his unfinished stories- http://www.mania.com/52290.html. WOuld you consider to procure the book?

Published soon, apparently, being a continuing work for Christopher Tolkien for a few good years.

Been talk of a movie too.

Anyone interested? Or would you rather disregard Lord of the Rings and spam in the Tig party thread?

The uninteresting Tig thread wins.

I can't wait until the release of this book, and I will be securing a copy for sure.

I did hear that Christopher said it would make a good movie, and if he has any sense, he will sell the rights to PJ instead of New Line or some other Corporate company. It is a shame that he won't be doing the Hobbit, but we are not hear to talk about that.

So what have you heard about COH?

Two questions: What's this about a new book? And PJ won't make The Hobbit?

The actual contents of the story I don't know, but the I believe it must be an editied acccount of the story of Turin Turumbar. To give people an idea of who he was, although I suspect some may know, I'll just say a few things about him.

The tale itself follows a typical structure for a tragedy, this ain't a Hobbit Pie eating competition.

The tale is about Turin, a man, related to Aragorn and Elrond in a very distant way (Turin's cousin, Tuor, was Elrond's grandfather).

It is set in the First Age, in Beleriand, which at the end of the First Age, sinks into the sea.

Turin's father, Hurin, was a great lord and warrior among the men in Beleriand. He was eventually captured by Morgoth (Sauron's master) after killing 70 odd trolls with his axe. So his son isn't a pushover.

Morgoth lays a curse on Hurin and his children after Hurin mocks Morgoth, laughs at him. This curse hangs over Turin, his sister and his father, leading to many evils.

Turin was an outcast, who travelled through many Elf kingdoms fighting against Morgoth and his orc legions; so they'll be plently of action.

In ironic comparison to the curse of Hurin, Huor, his brother, who was pierced by an arrow in the eye at the battle where Hurin was captured, was the father of Tuor, who's children and grandchildren caused the downfall of Morgoth.

In regard to Peter Jackson, he's in a legal battle with New Line in regards to his pay, and New Line have refused to work with him ever again.

Wow a new book, man I cant wait!!! And what are you talking about PJ wont be doing the Hobbit??

Google it Icicle, it's quite common knowledge amongst those in the know

Its allready out !

Dude, do you seriously not read other people's posts? Or is that surprise?

Willaume I've bought it, I havn't read it yet as I'm re-reading the Trilogy and the Sil but its on my "to read" list.

HIs books are ok.But I like his father's books alot better.Most of the books he writes are hard to understand.Inleast for me.jm

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
HIs books are ok.But I like his father's books alot better.Most of the books he writes are hard to understand.Inleast for me.jm

Really? What a surprise.

Originally posted by thefallen544
Willaume I've bought it, I havn't read it yet as I'm re-reading the Trilogy and the Sil but its on my "to read" list.

Hallelujah! A reply!
Trust me, the book is an actual narrative, as opposed to the annalistic Silm.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
HIs books are ok.But I like his father's books alot better.Most of the books he writes are hard to understand.Inleast for me.jm

It was written by J.R.R. Tolkien!
It was edited together by his son for coherence.

Oh I did not know that.Thanks for letting me know!jm

S'okay. Its a bit odd, though.
It is a construction, but it seems to fit the general narrative structure, and those of his other works.

Yea I know what you mean.I try to read of his books made by his son but they were so hard to read i gave up!JM

Well, the H.M.E. series was more about showing the roots of the legends and establishing just how much of The Silmarillion as published derived from his father's writings.

All in all, C.R. Tolkien deserves our respect. Although I have to admit that there were some minor mistakes that made it into the published work, and that some of the editorial work might have been taken too far, it still represents as best as possible Tolkien's original intentions and is a fabulous work.

That is the name of the book!Thanks!It was driving me nuts not be able to remember it.Don't get me wrong I do respect him.I just don't think he can be as good as his father.
In fact no writter can!jm

Oh, I agree.
I didn't mean to target what you'd said; I was merely addressing the opinions of several fans of Tolkien. They are too hard on C.R. Tolkien, who (I believe) deserves their respect - I can't help but wonder how many of these supposed "fans" would have given up after seeing the massive amount of writing left behind by good old J.R.R.

B.T.W.: Many try to pin the so-called "hard" readings of The Silmarillion on the editorial intrusions of C.R. Tolkien, but they are mistaken. On comparison of the texts given throughout the H.M.E. series, I'd be willing to say that about 90-95% of what appears in the published work is genuine Tolkien, (not counting the minor stylistic changes introduced by C.R. Tolkien in an effort to make the text more readable or more coherent).

I still think it was hard to read.I reather stick to "The Lord of the Rings" instead.jm

I know.
I myself prefer the mythic depth of The Silmarillion, but I also believe that the narrative structure of The Lord of the Rings is nearly unmatched in modern literature.

Hye kids read the lord of the rings as part of there book list.That proves that JR Token is one of the best writters out there!Always will be in my book!jm

He is one of the highest-grossing/most-read authors.

I argee to that!jm

It's a fact, whether you agree or not :P

Originally posted by Willaume


I know.
I myself prefer the mythic depth of The Silmarillion, but I also believe that the narrative structure of The Lord of the Rings is nearly unmatched in modern literature.

I can agree on the first point. And yes, LOTR is much easier to read then Sil but it's not unmatched in modern literature, trust me. It is my favourite book as well, but sometimes the narrator talks about stuff you wont get if you aren't very in to Tolkien, especially Return of the king contains lots of stuff that really confuses the reader if you haven't read Sil.

I know it is a fact.I am argeeing that it is a fact!jm

Was just messing with ya

Originally posted by vanice
I can agree on the first point. And yes, LOTR is much easier to read then Sil but it's not unmatched in modern literature, trust me. It is my favourite book as well, but sometimes the narrator talks about stuff you wont get if you aren't very in to Tolkien, especially Return of the king contains lots of stuff that really confuses the reader if you haven't read Sil.

Huh?
Allusions to past events (whether sooth or feigned) is a common device used by authors, although most aren't as deep as were Tolkiens.

Your statement that most of the allusions in L.R. wouldn't make sense to someone who hadn't read The Silmarillion falls somewhat apart after it's made clear that the Appendices which follow R.K. weren't included until the publication of the Second Edition; plus, The Silmarillion wasn't published until nearly thirty-years after L.R., (and it was long uncertain - even in Tolkien's lifetime - whether or not The Silmarillion was going to be published in any form).

So, the simplest way to refute your statement is to say this: The allusions made in L.R. weren't supposed to be fully understood; they were there to create a sense of depth. That Tolkien wanted to published the two works together is a widely known fact, but it became clear after he had finished L.R. that that was an impossibility.

I can understand what you mean is that, because of these allusions, L.R. can be hard to understand, but I take from it the facts surrounding its publication. Plus I love Tolkien, and find most other authors (especially the overrated ones) boring.

Woha, touched a sore spot i see. Well I really don't have to answer to all this, because you answered it yourself. YES "because of these allusions, L.R. can be hard to understand" is exactly my point.
Of course Tolkien made these allusions to create a dept rather then confuse the reader, the opposite statement would be ridiculous. But I never, ever said that.
I said they sometimes confuse the reader. NOT on purpose. But they do. I have many friends who I had to convince that the books are way better then the films, and they would go "No, it's so hard to read .... the chapters are too long ... what good are those stupid songs for? ... blah" and so on.
As I've said LOTR is my favourite book as well, but i wouldn't call it "Unmatched in modern literature" because I haven't read enough to state that. Maybe you have, but if it was the Swedish Academy would probably have considered giving the Nobel Price to Tolkien posthumously, and I don't think they have.
Anyway opinions are supposed to be different, otherwise this world would be dull and ****ed up

Hooray the LOTR forum lives again

I'm sorry if it seemed like I attacked you - I'm just a nerd who has too much time on my hands.

The only advice I can offer is that you shouldn't take too much stock in my posts - nor those of anyone else, at that. Chances are that we'll never meet, so I don't really care about making an @$$ of myself.

maybe we will meet, without knowing that we are we eek

cheers mate drunk

I know you are!I would love to see "The Habbit"that would be a great movie to see!jm

Originally posted by vanice
maybe we will meet, without knowing that we are we eek

cheers mate drunk

Finally got round to getting this Children of Hurin, and I'm not sure whether I'm glad I bought it or not. In one mind, it's Tolkien, and that for me seals the deal to buy the book anyway, just to carry on with the collection. In the other mind, after reading it, I'm not sure whether I enjoyed it or not.

The Tale of Hurin is interesting no doubt (although out of the events of the Silmarillion I always found this typical shakespearean tragedy a little drab) and some points of the book are fantastic and engaging to read, but others I wished would breeze by a little faster.

I have a love/hate relationship with Tolkien's prose, and this book, out of all his or his son's work, is probably most exemplary of that relationship. Sometimes it really brings about the scale and expanse of Middle Earth, but sometimes, when he isn't writing with that sense of great British whimsy (as in LOTR or the Hobbit) it all feels a little, how can I say it, samey.

Not giving away too much of the story to potential readers who don't already know it, I feel I can only take so many embittered and selfish Elves and Men; the same scenario recurring again and again becomes a bit of a drag.

None the less, it's Tolkien and hopefully they'll be people who read it with a more definite response than mine.

A new book. I'd thought we would never see a new adventure in Middle-earth and yet here it is. The Children of Hurin better be good in the time in took Christ to finish it. I hope the book itself is about 500 pages...just to keep the story going.

It's not really a new adventure. More of a retelling of an old one.

You know what I mean. The legend lives on with a more "intense" telling of a story.

Ok I get you.

I'm going have to get the Children of Hurin when I get a chance to go down to the bookstore.

Use this thread, and yes, I have it

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/446441_1-children-of-hurin

Originally posted by exanda kane
Use this thread, and yes, I have it

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/446441_1-children-of-hurin

This thread was up first so if anything this should be the one we use.

I already did. Its AWESOME.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
This thread was up first so if anything this should be the one we use.

but the other one was used

The DEED is DONE!!

I got the audio book and its read by Chistopher Lee and he's pretty good in it. And there is a good introdution by Chistopher Tolkien.