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KMC Tournament Respect Thread

This thread is a bit off-beat, but I think it will be fun. It's a respect thread for every comic tournament ever run on KMC, and also a respect thread for the winners.

I'll be posting links of battles, synopses of the tourneys, and will have comments from the winners (when possible). Other fun stuff will ensue. My hope is that it will become an area to discuss past and future tournaments, as well as an area to catalog past tourneys. Everything we need should fit on Page 1, and I've allotted extra slots(posts) for future tournaments.

Also, if you have anything to add to this thread, please PM me with it and I'll try my best to work it in. However, we don't need links to every single battle or tiny minutia. I'm simply trying to give an accurate overview of the tournaments.

Anyway, here we go. The tourneys are listed chronologically:

A. Participant Overview

B. Character List (and stats)

C. Tournaments:
I. Multi-Level "Slugfest" Tournament (Host: Evangel94)
II. Multi-Level Team Tournament (Host: ScarletSpider)
III. Herald Amalgam Tourney (Host: Evangel (Nataku))
IV. Modified Street-Level Amalgam Tourney (Host: DigiMark007)
V. Iron Man Team Tournament (Host: Dizzle/SilverSpider)
VI. Herald Team Tourney (Partners) (Host: DigiMark)
VII. Multi-Level Team Tourney (Host: Evangel)
VIII. Under Thanos Team Tourney (Partners) (Host: Batdude123)
IX. High Meta Amalgam Tournament (Host: darthgoober)
X. Low Meta Team Amalgam Tourney (Partners) (Host: Illadelph12)
XI. "Final" Multi-Level Slugfest Tourney (Host: Evangel94)
XII. Mid Herald (WW) Multi-Team Tourney (Host: Newjak/Fuzzy Hawkeye)
XIII. Illadelph's League of Champions Season 1 (Host: Illadelph12)
XIV. High Herald Team Tourney (Partners) (Host: Batdude123/TheKahn)
XV. Low Meta Team Tourney (Host: Leonidas)
XVI. High Meta Amalgam Tourney (Host: curryman)
XVII. Low Herald Amalgam Tourney (Host: Id)
XVIII. Mid/Low Herald Tourney (Host: Psycho Gundam)


D. Mini-Tourneys

E. KMC Battlezones
I. KMC Battlezone Championship Belts
II. KMC Writer's Tournament
F. Signature Showcase

G. Guide For Tournament Directors


Tournaments by Year (Dates are determined by the starting date of battles):
2004 - 1
2005 - 3
2006 - 3
2007 - 3
2008 - 2
2009 - 1
2010 - 2
2014 - 1
2015 - 2

Mini-Tourneys:
2015 - 3

Character List:

Characters on winning teams, listed alphabetically:

3 Wins:
Silver Surfer

2 Wins:
Hawkeye
Quasar
Thor

1 Win
All-Star Superman
Batman
Beta Ray Bill
Black Alice
Black Box
Black Panther
Brit
Carnage
Cerebro Prime
Crystal
Duplicate Boy
Enchantress
Flash (Jay Garrick)
Flash (Wally West)
Forge
Graviton
Green Goblin (Phil Urich)
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Iceman
Invisible Woman
The Keeper
Light Ray
Marvel Boy
Maxima
Mimic (Exiles)
Moonstone
Powerhouse
Psylocke
Puma
Quibit
Rachel Summers
Reed Richards (Ultimate)
Rogue
Sabertooth
Sage
Sasquatch
Savitar
Sersi
Scourge
Spawn
Spider-Man
Spot
Sunfire
Super Adaptoid
Taskmaster
Ultimate Hawkeye
Venom
Vision
Vulcan
Wendigo (Earth X)
Wiz Kid
Wolverine
Wonder Man
X-Man (Nate Grey)
Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)

Company Breakdown:
Marvel: 51
DC: 10
Indie: 3

Gender Breakdown:
Male: 51
Female: 11
Other: 2

Mini-Tourney Winners:
Animal Powers (Animal Man)
City Control (Hawksmoor)
Telepathy (various)
Nico Minoru
Nova (Richard Rider)
Vision
Vulcan

I.

Multi-Level Tournament

Host:
Evangel

Entrant List:
Crazyspinz
Frothbyte
Krissy Von Doom
Nataku8188
Norrin Radd
ScarletSpider
Snake Eyes

Winner:
Norrin Radd (now known as Loot)

Runner-Up:
Crazyspinz

Winning Team:
Batman
Black Panther
Iceman
Invisible Woman
Silver Surfer
Spawn
Sunfire

Links:
Tourney Discussion Thread - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=310008
Finals (Crazyspinz vs. Norrin Radd) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=312755
KVD vs. Snake Eyes - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=311320
Nataku vs. Frothbyte - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=311885

General Comments:
I didn't know this existed originally. It was started about a month before I became a member.

But in any case, this tournament started it all here on KMC. Props to Evangel for coming up with the rules from scratch. I'm sure it wasn't perfect, but it was more than anyone else had thought to do up until that point.

Champion Comments (from Norrin Radd (now Loot) ):
??


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II.

Tournament:
Multi-Level Tourney

Host:
ScarletSpider

Entrant List:
Crazyspinz
Darkcrawler
Khellendros
Krissy Von Doom
The Mighty Thor
Nataku
Norrin Radd
Quick Freeze
ScarletSpider
Scoobless

Winner:
Scoobless

Runner-Up:
Khellendros

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Graviton
Vision
Wonder Man
Carnage
Puma
Scourge
Hawkeye

Links:
Finals (Scoobless vs. Khellendros) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=331132
Crazyspinz vs. Scoobless - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=322090
Quick Freeze vs. Khellendros - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=322642

General Comments:
Following the trend of Evangel's tourney, ScarletSpider set up his own, and it continued to generate interest in tournaments.

Champion Comments (from Scoobless):

This takes me back to my first week as a member of KMC, in fact my first match was exactly 7 days after I joined. I had never been on a comic forum before let alone played any tournaments, so I had no idea what I was doing (as you can see if you click on the Crazyspinz vs. Scoobless link above)

This tourney was shortly after the events of Graviton's appearance in Thunderbolts (#56 or so) where he owns pretty much everyone. I used that appearance for all it was worth during the tourney. The reason I drafted him in the Superman level draft was because he could affect the entire battlefield at any time, simply by increasing the gravity I could take out everyone at a lower power level ... and by reducing the Gravity I incapacitated Doomsday without having to engage him.

The main reason for selecting graviton was to eject everyone into space ... I found out what "No BFR" meant during my first match ... dammit -

Overall not the best tourney format (as 4 of your 7 characters are almost useless) but it was still fun.

III.

Tournament:
Herald Amalgam Tourney

Host:
Evangel94 (and eventually Nataku)

Entrant List:
DigiMark
Gautam
Khellendros
K Von Doom
Long pig
Nataku
ScarletSpider
Scoobless
Sentry
Stormfront

Winner:
Scoobless

Runner-Up:
long pig

Other Places (if applicable):
3rd Khellendros
4th DigiMark007

Winning Amalgam:
Flash (Wally West)
Quasar
Thor

Links:
Tournament Odds Thread - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=338410&highlight=title%3A%28evangel%29
Finals (Scoobless vs. Long Pig) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=360606&highlight=title%3A%28scoobless%29
Khellendros vs. DigiMark - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=348965&highlight=title%3A%28evangel%29
Long Pig vs. Stormfront - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=347049&highlight=title%3A%28evangel%29
Flash Thordon (Scoob's Amalgam) - http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashthordoncomplete2ascp4.jpg
The Incredible Destruction Surfer (Nataku's Amalgam) - http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theincredibledestructioyq7.jpg

General Comments:
This tournament, to me, was loads of fun. It took forever to finish, because Evangel had computer troubles midway through and Nataku had to take over. But some cool things took place. Nataku and stormfront had a 20+ page epic battle that ranged from intelligent debate to outright flaming/bashing. Scoobless and DigiMark had a battle of hilarious names as "General Kinky" faced off against "Flash Thordon". And amalgams became the fad following this tourney. It was also the tournament that was largely responsible for getting me the notoriety I needed to become a Mod (which happened in the middle of my match with Scoob).

Khell and long pig utilized individual characters well (Majestic and Dr. Strange, respectively) but it was Flash Thordon's well-rounded power that eventually won the day.

Champion Comments (from Scoobless):
My second tourney on KMC, better format, harder matches, tougher debaters ... frankly I was a little surprised to win this one, not that I didn't have a kick ass amalgam (It's Flash Thordon FFS) but because everyone else also had tough characters. Long Pig maybe should have won but he seriously underused his creation (Dr Strange, Absorbing Man, Barry Allen I think) He fell back on only Strange's power almost completely ignoring the abilities of the others.

Digi thinks 50% of my win came from my name choice ... maybe it did ... The other 50% probably came from my unashamed posting of my Thordon picture in every possible thread where I could get away with it ... you have to admit that it's pretty freakin' sweet for MS paint with zero experience at photo editing.



{Digi's editor's note: maybe not 50%, since it was a legitimately powerful amalgam, but it sure as hell didn't hurt}


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IV.

Tournament:
Modified Street Level Amalgam Tourney

Host:
DigiMark007

Entrant List:
8BitChris
Dizzle
Dr. SpiderHulk
EsteemedLeader
Jinzin
Jplatinum
Khellendros
K Von Doom
LaminatorX
Long pig
Nataku
Newjak
Scoobless
Solidus Snake
Stormfront
Zachrivard

Winner:
Jinzin

Runner-Up:
long pig

Other Places (if applicable):
3rd LaminatorX
4th Khellendros
5th Scoobless

Winning Amalgam:
Venom
Taskmaster
Sabertooth

Links:
Finals (jinzin vs. long pig) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=376424
Newjak vs. Khellendros - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=370213
Stormfront vs. 8BitChris - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=367797
Bonus Round - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=373770
Rainbow Bright (Dizzle's Amalgam) - http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rainbowbrightnw7.jpg
"Rainbow Bright" in Action - http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=striumphtq5.jpg
Dr. Shocktopus (LP's amalgam, and runner-up) - http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ggg2fdiw5.png

General Comments:
We really tried some new things with this tournament. Some worked, others didn't, but it was a necessary step forward. We had in-thread voting instead of a poll. We allowed non-comic characters to be chosen, which made things interesting. There were Jedi Knights, warriors from sci-fi TV shows, book characters (Drizzt for one), and others. I also allowed some "over-the-cap" people in, then lobotomized certain powers so that they were under our limits...not the best way to handle things, but it was my first time hosting a tourney. It worked out in the end though.

Also, check out the bonus round. It's a hoot! Since the people involved weren't going to be entered into the finals, I allowed them to "trade" picks with others to make their amalgams more potent for the bonus round. And the battle locale, if I may say so myself, kicks ass. Newer members may not get the joke, but it was still a cool fight.

Champion Comments (from jinzin):
??

V.

Tournament:
Iron Man Team Tournament

Host:
Dizzle & SilverSpider

Entrant List:
Adam Warlock
Blair Wind
Darkcrawler
DarkUrizen
Deadpool909
Dman2008
Ethereal
Grey Fox
Illadelph12
Khellendros
K Von Doom
Long Pig
Roughrider
ScarletSpider
Scoobless
Stormfront

Winner:
Blair Wind

Runner-Up:
Scoobless

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Duplicate Boy
Powerhouse
Wendigo (Earth X)
Crystal

Links:
Finals (Blair vs. Scoob) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=397456&highlight=title%3A%28dizzle%29
Darkcrawler vs. illadelph12 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=387019
Grey fox vs. Ethereal - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=388188
Long pig vs. Blair - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=387016

General Comments:
Dizzle did main duty for this one, with help from SS. I want to say this is the first tourney where we started using pre-set judges, but I'm not sure. I think maybe it started about midway through this tournament, and became the standard for tourneys.

Blair and long pig found that duplication would be effective for this tourney, and they squared off in a bizarre first round match that led to a few new restrictions. But Blair carried that momentum to a tourney win, upsetting all sorts of tourney vets (long pig, Khell, Scoob) on his way to becoming a feared name himself.

Champion Comments (from Blair Wind):
What can I say about my first win in a tournament, which also happened to be my first tournament ever?! Well, it was a challenging experience, that much is for sure. I faced some of the best debaters here and won. It was an extreme surprise for me. I started off by facing long pig, and thought right away I would lose. However, I didn't and soon moved on to what I still think was my hardest battle: Illadelph. Now if you ever feel like reading the fight, Illadelph was owning me until the very end. Its the truth, and what I like most about it was that we ended up being friends after it all. In fact he helped me behind the scenes with all my other matches, including the first one. To this day we still help each other out when it comes to tactics and such. One small side note, that I will always remember, is that my grandfather died during this match. Moving on to the next fight, I found my one true KMC rival. I tried being nice, but the guy is...well lets just say me and him don't exactly get along all to well. I went up against Khellendros. I won, 'nuff said. I then went on to face the multi winning tournament champion: Scoobless. Now to understand how I won, let me explain. For the other few matches I was running extremely low on scans. I had maybe two or three courtesy of xmarksthespot and King Mungi. I then found a treasure trove of scans in Leonidas. So I was tactically being given help by Kahn and Illadelph, and being given scans by Leo, Mungi and X. I then went on bravely to face the tournament king, and came out on top. I had won, and it was the biggest shock I have ever had on KMC. Thank you everyone who helped and voted, and thanks to the hosts who made it happen.

Little things I found funny:
-Digimark ALWAYS voted against me
-My name on the thread was ALWAYS second
-I had no idea who Crystal was until Xmarks told me, "Just pick her!"
-I had originally thought Wendigo would be my greatest asset, later on figured out that Duplicate Boy was the best pick I had ever made!
-I got my nickname, B-Dub, from this tournament because I picked Duplicate Boy. Illadelph started it, and now everyone uses it.


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VI.

Tournament:
Herald Team Tournament (Partners)

Host:
DigiMark007

Entrant List:
Accel
Adam Warlock
A.J.
Batdude123
Blair Wind
Darkcrawler
DevilLance
Grey Fox
Khellendros
K Von Doom
Leonidas
Newjak
Psyquis
Sam Z
Superherovandal
TheKahn

Winners:
TheKahn and leonidas

Runners-Up:
Grey fox and Psyquis52

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Silver Surfer
Hal Jordan
Maxima

Links:
Tournament Odds Thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=409298
Finals (Leo/Kahn vs. GF/Psyquis) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=417020
Batdude/Darkcrawler vs. Leo/Kahn - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=411775
Adam Warlock/Accel vs. GF/Psyquis - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=412735

General Comments:
As with most tournaments, we did some new things. 4 judges were used in each battle for the first time, and the poll acted as a tie-break. It was also the first "partner" tourney, and each team member could only debate for 2 characters, so you needed both people to be solid to win.

Leo and Kahn proved that gimmicks don't always take the day. They paved their way to the title by simply drafting the most powerful team in the tourney, then using them well.

Champion Comments (from leonidas and TheKahn):
??

VII.

Tournament:
Multi-Level Tourney

Host:
Evangel94

Entrant List:
B dot Rob
Hulk10
King Kandy
LaminatorX
Loot
Roldz
Scoobless
StarsNeverFall
Stormfront
Tony Stark
TricksterPriest
Typhus

Winner:
Scoobless

Runner-Up:
Loot

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Quasar
Mimic (Exiles)
Psylocke
Marvel Boy
Wolverine
Hawkeye
Ultimate Hawkeye

Links:
Finals (Scoobless vs. Loot) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=438563
Roldz vs. LaminatorX - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=435283
StarsNeverFall vs. Trickster - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=434076
Typhus vs. stormfront - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=433547
Hulk10 vs. B dot Rob vs. Laminator (WC Match) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=435504

General Comments:
Evangel's second go-around at a tourney went from drafts to completion in about a month. Bumpy at times due to fluctuating interest, but it was still fast, fun, and efficient.

Scoobless gained an unprecedented third title. And in a bizarre set of circumstances, Loot and Scoobless actually met three times in the tourney!

Champion Comments (from Scoobless):
Basically the same format as the first tournament I entered, so I had some idea of what was going to happen this time around. Didn't want to use the same team again (as I think I was lucky not to face the Surfer or someone similar the first time) So this time my heavy hitter was Quasar (Wendell Vaughn, not the useless chick using the name these days) I figured I'd use Quasar to armour up my other guys and beef up the arrows of my two Hawkeyes 616 & Ult (who I drafted because I'm a Hawkeye fanboy)

Of Course this turned out to be worthless as Evangel came out with some "no using one character to amp others" rule after the tourney had already started.

Like Digi said, I had to face Loot 3 times during this tourney (still not sure why though) He did have a decent team which he headed with the Surfer, so after the first time we fought I knew I'd have to come up with a different tactic to get past him again, which I did, barely, ONLY to find out I had to face him again in the final ... which meant yet another completely different strategy.

Not the most fun tourney ever, a lot of arguing between myself and Evangel, she asked if I'd like to forfeit on more than one occasion which took most of the fun out of it for me. I wont be entering any of her tourneys again after this one.



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VIII.

Tournament:
Under Thanos Team Tourney (Partners)

Host:
Batdude123

Entrant List:
Bigbran
Blair Wind
Darkcrawler
Darthgoober
DevilLance
DigiMark007
King Kandy
Lucid Lui
MartianMind
NinoArana
Pr1983
Rewmac
Roldz
Scoobless
Soujaboy
Trolly_crouchjr

Winners:
Darkcrawler and Blair Wind

Runners-Up:
DigiMark and Scoobless

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
All-Star Superman
Black Alice
The Keeper

Links:
Tournament Odds Thread - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=433482
Finals (DigiMark/Scoobless vs. Blair Wind/Darkcrawler) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/442032_1-batdudes-tourney-final
Pr/Rew vs. Roldz/Nino - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=436834&highlight=title%3A%28batdude%29
Darthgoober/Bigbran vs. Devil Lance/Lucid Lui - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=437611
SoujaBoy/MartianMind vs. Scoobless/DigiMark - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=437609

General Comments:
It was a slow-moving tourney, but methodical and thorough. The under-Thanos limit gave participants more room to play around with, and guys like Surfer, Thor, and Quasar went from being the best picks (in the past herald tourneys) to merely normal picks, as team-wreckers like Mangog, Despero, and The Keeper found their way into the mix.

Power copying, with characters such as Black Alice, Super Adaptoid, and Space Phantom, also became a popular (and powerful) trend for the tournament.

Champion Comments (from DC/BW):
Blair Wind:
So what can I say about my newest tournament win? I can start of by saying I am very glad I got the partner I got in DarkCrawler. What I brought in creative ideas, he matched with mathematical numbers and scans. I was the abstract to his logic, the yin to his yang. Ok, so maybe it was not that extreme, but I think we made a very effective team. We both knew how to think outside the box, and still consider the logic behind what we were doing. We applied tactics and strategies that seemed to defy the imagination, and I think it served us well. We went on to our first match, and were sorely disappointed when the opposing team made no effort in the least to oppose us. We moved on to the team composed of Pr/Rewmac. We tried a very unique and interesting tactic against their team, and we won. We then went on to the finals to face Digimark/Scoobless. Now you have to understand, this final was composed of some of the greatest tournament combatants, having one tournament winning vet and one experienced contender on both sides. Scoobs and I had both won a tournament before, and both DarkCrawler and Digimark had participated in tournaments before. It was a slobber-knocker to be sure, and the judging had me on the end of my seat. It was a thrilling ride, and I am glad I had DC at my side

Little things I found funny
-Everyone thought we were the most powerful team, when I was thinking that Darth/Bran had the most dangerous team.
-Our names ALWAYS came first in the thread
-I got to beat Scoobs...again
-DC and I had so many more buffs it was not funny, we just could not fit them all in.
-Illadelph helped us out, all the while complaining that he should have won the last tournament we were in (in the match against me he lost)
-This quote made my day (I will keep them anonymous, but they were through PM's)
"On review, I can't find enough faults to help you.....Sorry to tell you this, but you're too damned good"

IX.

Tournament:
High Meta Amalgam Tourney

Host:
Darthgoober

Entrant List:
Blair Wind
Devil Lance
Entity
Joey Stack
King Kandy
leonidas
long pig
MartianMind
Newjak
Roldz
Scoobless
TricksterPriest

Winner:
Scoobless

Runner-Up:
Blair Wind

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Sasquatch
Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)
Moonstone

Links:
Discussion Thread - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=447567
Finals (Scoobless vs. Blair Wind) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=462611
Trickster vs. Martian - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=454338
Newjak vs. Roldz - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=453031

General Comments:
Having survived a failed attempt at a high meta/low herald tourney that involved 4-man teams, darthgoober lowered the character limits some and made a traditional amalgam tourney. As with other tourneys, the veterans showed up in force and had good showings. Scoobless claimed an unprecedented 4th tourney title, and Blair Wind added to his impressive tournament resume. Leonidas, another former tourney champion, made it to the semi-finals in only his second tournament ever.

The defining strategy for this tournament was Scoobless' "Godzilla" approach, simply making Sasquatch so big with Pym's powers that it was nigh-impossible for the other participants to hurt him. If nothing else, it proved to be an interesting visual for the battle.

Champion Comments:

"The Godzilla Plan"

I had a lot of fun with this tourney, I honestly wasn't taking it seriously at first, I wasn't thinking of clever ways to win or what tech I could use, the intention was to keep it simple. I figured the easiest way to amplify a character's physical strength was to use a grower (Hank Pym in this case) if his power can turn a regular man into a class 50+ then it should make an already powerful character practically invincible at this level. A later realisation, that I could use Moonstone's control of her own gravity to access heights Pym could never reach alone due to pressure on his body from his own weight, meant that I could take my finals match one step farther.

lol, I had Bigfoot (named by Digimark btw) destroy 3 of the 4 battlefields he fought on -

Grand Canyon - Destroyed
Death Star - Destroyed
Earth - Destroyed

The only reason the arctic battlefield survived was because I opted to use Pym's shrinking powers for the majority of that match.

Overwhelming offensive power + untouchable defense = tourney win



An amusing fact, this was the second "Iron Man Level" tournament, and both times Iron Man has failed to take a win (last time by me in a final match against BW, this time by BW in a final match against me)

The lesson - Don't select the character that embodies the power cap for the tourney ... you'll only lose.


Oh yeah, another great thing about this tourney was that I got to post pics like these to give people an idea how the matches might go:

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7660/comparison3vc2.jpg

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/4057/bigfootvsigwav6.jpg

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3237/amalgam1ar8.jpg





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X.

Tournament:
Low Meta Team Amalgam Tourney

Host:
Illadelph12

Entrant List:
Akuki
Batdude123
Blair Wind
Charlotte Debel
Darkcrawler
Digimark007
Estacado
Faceman
King Kandy
Leonidas
Newjak
Nvrbeenwthagirl
Pr (Raoul)
Red Spaulding (Fuzzy Hawkeye)
Scoobless
Smurph (Zeitgeist)
Tricksterpriest

Winners:


Runners-Up:

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:

Links:
Team Akuki vs. Team Blair Wind - http://houseofzod.yuku.com/topic/393/t/Week-1-Team-Akuki-Vs-Team-Blair-Wind.html
Team Leonidas vs. Team Smurph - http://houseofzod.yuku.com/topic/387/t/Week-5-Team-Leo-Vs-Team-Smurph.html

General Comments:
Once again breaking new ground, Illadelph started his own board and hosted the tournament away from KMC, though only the battles themselves took place on the alternate board. Teams of 2-3 KMC members, teams of 6 characters making a total of 3 amalgams, and varied and insidious battle locations, made for some wild strategies both during prep and once the battle started.

The semis and finals were a best of 3, so the finals match that the link provides is the final match among them.

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Ironically, this tournament never finished. I leave it here because the vast majority of it was completed, so it deserves recognition. Tourneys have failed before, but all others were during the planning or draft stages. It remains to be seen who would have won. The 4 teams listed in the links remained, so the champion(s) would have been from among them.

Champion Comments:

XI.

Tournament:
"Final" Multi-Level Slugfest Tournament

Host:
Evangel94

Entrant List:
Creshosk
Darthgoober
Devil Lance
DigiMark
id369
King Kandy
Papa Smurph (Joey Stacks)
psycho gundam
Symmetric Chaos
Tony Stark
TricksterPriest
Typhus
Zeitgeist (Smurph)

Winner:
darthgoober

Runner-Up:
Typhus

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Silver Surfer
Super Adaptoid

Links:
Finals (Goober vs. Typhus) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=483786
Psycho gundam vs. Symmetric Chaos - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=481899
Digimark vs. Darthgoober - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=479855
Devil Lance vs. Tony Stark - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=479506
Papa Smurph vs. Digimark - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=480194

General Comments:
A tumultuous tournament, it saw participants banned from the tournament, mid-tourney entrants, as well as mid-tournament rule changes. However, Evangel devised an interesting point-based system for drafting, meaning that participants could have anything from Batman to Galactus on their squad. Darthgoober won his first tournament, which despite his lack of long tourney experience (1 win prior), many thought was well-deserved based on his debating prowess and ingenuity.

Champion Comments:



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XII.

Tournament:
Mid Herald Multi-Team Tournament

Host:
Newjak & Fuzzy Hawkeye (Cpt Spaulding, others)

Entrant List:
Akuki
Blair Wind
Blight (bran)
Charlotte Debel
Devil Lance
Grey Fox
Laminator X
Leonidas
MartianMind
Raoul (pr1983)
TricksterPriest
Zeitgeist (Smurph)

Winner:
Leonidas

Runner-Up:
Smurph (too many other names to list)

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Black Box
Cerebro Prime
Forge
Light Ray
Rachel Summers
Reed Richards (Ultimate)
Savitar
Sersi
Vulcan
Wiz Kid

Links:
Finals (leo v. Smurph) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=487416
Blair/Leo vs. Charlotte/Gundam - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=485493
Smurph/Devil Lance vs. Laminator/Akuki - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=483382


General Comments:
Leonidas earned his second tourney win in a competition that forced players to partner with others from the tourney, then try to work together to win. It created an interesting dynamic, then switched back to head-to-head in order to decide the victor. A mix of amalgams and large teams, including varying prep times, made for a slew of universal-level prep scenarios. Whether or not they were believed varied radically depending on the match, but it made for an electic and entertaining tournament.


Champion Comments:

XIII.

Tournament:
Illadelph's League of Champions (Season One)

Host:
Illadelph12

Entrant List:
AlmightyKFish
Blair Wind
Charlotte Debel
Digimark007
fangirl101
id369
King Kandy
Leonidas
Scoobless
Smurph ("Cavalier" at the time)

Winner:
Scoobless/Leonidas***

Runner-Up:


Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
N/A

Links:
Kandy/Id vs. KFish -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=493871
Charlotte vs. Blair/Smurph -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=493869
Digi vs. Scoobless/Leonidas -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=494346

General Comments:
Scoob and leo were declared champions by delph after a long break in the action after the semi-finals, though no final was fought (there may have been one semi-final yet to play as well) so it's not being officially recognized. It's a shame, really, because the tournament itself, which featured constant re-drafting and a huge round robin, was a lot of fun.

It's also the first tourney to feature an audio writeup (courtesy of yours truly). I regret to say that I can't get the links to work anymore, but it was a lulz-worthy stunned audience as I unveiled them.

Champion Comments:


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XIV.

Tournament:
High Herald Team Tourney

Host:
Batdude123 and TheKahn

Entrant List:
Blair Wind
CharlotteDebel
Darthgoober
Galan
Id
JaketheBank
King Kandy
King Mungi
Kris Blaze
Leonidas
OmegaVision
Philosophia
Pr
Psycho Gundam
Smurph
xJLxKing

Winners:
Leonidas and Galan007

Runners-Up:
King Kandy and Id

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Thor
Nate Grey (X-Man)
Beta Ray Bill

Links:
Tournament Odds Thread -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t522072.html
Finals (Leo/Galan vs. Kandy/Id) -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=525255
Darthgoober/Blair vs. Jake/Smurph -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=522824
Kris Blaze/Mungi vs. Charlotte/psycho
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=522547

General Comments:
I'm running out of things to say with these things. A smooth tourney, and leo got his 3rd ever tourney win, Galan his 1st.

Champion Comments:

Originally posted by Galan007
Seriously though, it was a very fun tourney - I learned a hell of a lot. Couldn't have asked for a better partner (no homo.)

Originally posted by leonidas
i'd like to thank all my partners for carrying me and all the hosts for making it possible. i'd like to thank my parents for raising me to be the person i am today and of course i owe a hearty thanks to scoob. you'v been my inspiration man!!! good night now!! nwoot

XV.

Tournament:
Low Meta Team Tourney

Host:
Leonidas

Entrant List:
Blair Wind
Charlotte DeBel
Digi
Omega Vision
Psycho_Gundam
Smurph

Winner:
Digi

Runner-Up:
Psycho-Gundam

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Iron Spider-Man
Spot
Green Goblin (Phil Urich)

Links:
Finals (Digi v. Psycho_gundam) -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t530745.html
Charlotte vs. Omega -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t528732.html
Digi v. Blair -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t529778.html
Smurph vs. Omega -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t528301.html

General Comments:
With a small group of dedicated participants (no first timers, a tourney first), a lower power level than most tourneys, and very little prep, Leo spearheaded a neatly efficient tournament that was simple but exciting.

Champion Comments:

- I won. Woo.
- I got one of my fanboy crushes a tourney win (Spidey). Now I only have about 5 others that "need" to win a tourney (that likely never will).
- I did it entirely with Spider-Man related characters (in the final, at least). It wasn't really by design, but I'm a sucker for themes so it made the team cool.
- There were redrafts in the tourney, and I actually drafted my favorite team at the beginning of the tournament (Spidey, Moon Knight, and Cpt. Boomerang Jr.). I also used Black Panther briefly. But as much as I wanted to keep my original team (I loved Boomer as a draft pick), giving my opponents a chance to adapt to me while I did nothing was too much of a risk.
- PG is a clever guy who will likely compete for a title in any tourney he enters. It was fun facing him.
- In past tourneys I've done signatures, team names, team songs, audio writeups (perhaps my most outlandish addition), and generally went for too much pagaentry. In one of delph's tourneys, I drafted upwards of 20 people via multiple redrafts just to play around. This tourney, I researched and debated. That was it. The result was that I wasn't burnt out by the end, as I've been in the past, and I think it showed in my performance.


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XVI.

Tournament:
High Meta Amalgam Tourney

Host:
Curryman (and others)

Entrant List:
Abhilegend
Leonidas
Tijay
Psycho Gundam
Sin I Am
Charlotte DeBel
Id
Chipguy
Digi
Beatboks

Winner:
Id

Runner-Up:
Digi

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Quibit
Rogue
Sage

Links:
Finals (Id v. Digi) -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t586773.html
Leo vs. PG -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t582666.html
Charlotte v. Beatboks -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t582772.html

General Comments:
Like many latter-day tourneys, this was plagued with judging no-shows, drop-outs, and an MIA host in the later rounds. Despite this, it finished (barely). Id gained his first tourney win with a tourney busting amalgamation that pulled numerous powers from Rogue's history into play.

Champion Comments:

XVII.

Tournament:
Low Herald Amalgam Tourney

Host:
Id

Entrant List:
Abhilegend
Ambient
Beatboks
Darksaint
Leonidas
LordofBrooklyn
Martian Mind
Psycho Gundam
Scoobless
Werewolf582

Winner:
Scoobless

Runner-Up:
Abhilegend

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Enchantress
Jay Garrick (Flash)
Brit

Links:
Finals (Scoobless v. Abhilegend) -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t617863.html
Ambient vs. LordofBrooklyn vs. Leonidas -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t615063.html
Darksaint v. Beatboks -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t614983.html

General Comments:
After a longish hiatus from tourneys - with a few of the mini-tourneys (listed below) in between - this ended up being a relatively smooth experience that saw Scoobless crowned for an unprecedented 5th time.

Champion Comments:

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XVIII.

Tournament:
Mid/Low Herald Tourney

Host:
Psycho Gundam (PG)

Entrant List:


Winner:


Runner-Up:


Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:


Links:


General Comments:


Champion Comments:

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Mini-Tourneys

In the wake of tournaments that haven't finished, Battlezones (detailed in the post below) have become more popular, as have mini tourneys. My definition for mini-tourneys is any tournament that has fewer than six (6) participants. Or tournaments that feature a single match.

There have been a few attempts at these kinds of tournaments. They are listed below:

I. One Power Tournament (2015)

Host: Blair Wind

Winner(s): A 3-way tie between Smurph (Existere), Digi, and Styletime

Winning Characters: Respectively, Animal Powers, City Control, and Telepathy. Since this was a powers tournament, we technically didn't draft characters, though we used certain characters as our primary template (Animal Man, Hawksmoor, and various telepaths)

Link: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=607928

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II. KMC Secret Wars (2015)

Host: Blair Wind (& Leo organized)

Participants: 4 (Scoobless, Smurph, Leonidas, Digi)

Winner(s): Leonidas

Winning Characters: Nico Minoru; Nova (Richard Rider)

Link: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t611038.html

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III. KMC Very Public Wars (2015)

Host: ??

Participants: 3 (Supermutant, PG, Martian Mind)

Winner(s): Martian Mind

Winning Characters: Vision; Vulcan

Link: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t610489.html

KMC Battle Zone

I'm using this post to plug a tourney-style project that one of our members set up a number of years ago.

It's called the Battle Zone. Here's the main page:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=464490

The original premise involved a number of "teams," some of which are now defunct, but the basic idea is a format by which you can create and regulate your own tourney-style matches.

Anyone and everyone is encouraged to pursue this if you want debating experience, and I'd also recommend reading the guidelines for tourney directors below, since it might help you form rules for your Battle Zone match.

Championship Belts

In recent years, a variant of the Battlezone has occurred. Dubbed "championship belts," each power tier has a WWE-style belt up for grabs. The winner of challenge matches holds the belt until they willingly vacate the belt or someone else beats them. Here's the original thread about it:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t563991.html

Currently, several belts are open, and several others can be challenged. The list below may not be entirely up-to-date, but reflects my best knowledge at the time.

Trans Tier: Vacant
High Herald: Vacant; last match for it ended in a draw.
Mid Herald: Abhilegend, with Krypton Man
Low Herald: Leonidas, with Kang
High Meta: Digi, with EU Luke Skywalker
Mid Meta: Vacant
Low Meta: Vacant
High Street: Vacant

KMC Writer's Tournament (2013)

Blair Wind had a clever idea to form a "tourney" around actually crafting a comic book, including the pitch, story arc, etc. It didn't quite finish, but still produced a lot of interesting work. All relevant threads are posted below, and are worth a look:

KMC Writer's Tournament
KMC Writer's Pitch
KMC Writer's Tournament: Issue One
KMC Writer's Tournament: Issue Two
KMC Writer's Tournament: Issue Three
KMC Writer's Tournament: Issue Four

Signature Showcase

Here is where people can show off their tournament signatures. Send them to me and I’ll add them (nothing made after the fact, however....these have to have been used during a tourney). The brackets indicate which tournament the signatures are from.

Leonidas, DigiMark & Batdude/Newjak (X)
Avatar - http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t3gh1.jpg
Signatures - http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nitroat1.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zero1gp7.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironspider1ls6.jpg

Darkcrawler & Blair Wind (VIII)
Avatar - http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avatar1273429yd3.gif
Signature - http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=customsig127341zvj7.jpg
Victory Avys - http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avatar1273430qt3.gif
http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avatar5963918sx3.gif
Victory Sigs - http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=customsig596394qzz7.gif

DigiMark & Scoobless (VIII)
Avatars - http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneydigijy7.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneyscooboa6.jpg
Signatures - http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warlock1gx0.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor1mu7.jpg
We never got to use these next ones, but meh...
Victory Avys - http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywin1nv0.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywin2cf5.jpg
Victory Sigs - http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywin1av3.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywin2ba0.jpg

PR and Rewmac (VIII)
Signatures - http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneypsd31tv8.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneysigta8ih5.jpg

DevilLance & Lucid Lui (VIII)
Signature - http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=customsig95442mldc1.jpg

Bigbran and DarthGoober (VIII)
Signature - http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=customsig99400bwbb1.jpg

TheKahn & leonidas (VI)
Victory Sigs - http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=customsig76697irnp0.jpg

...send me others and I'll add them in.

Guide for Tournament Directors

I. Overview
II. Expectations & Gaining Interest
III. Establishing Rules
IV. Drafts
V. Judges
VI. Battles
VII. Final Comments


I. Overview

A lot of people think they have great ideas for tournaments. Some of them are right. Some aren't. But few of those know how to run a tournament well, and the end product is that we have tournaments that fall apart for various reasons, or if they finish they do so in a less-than-efficient manner. This is the product of having participated in, hosted, judged in, or observed nearly every tourney ever run on KMC. Each tourney differs in the details, but a lot can be done to standardize the approach of the director in order to streamline the process.


II. Expectations & Gaining Interest

Expectations:
First and foremost, be prepared to field a ton of PM's, and to send out just as many. If you aren't on every day, and can't see yourself responding to 5-10 PMs a day, and can't maintain steady upkeep for many weeks that most tourneys take, don't do it.

Gaining Interest:
1. Ideally, talk to a mod first. There may already be a tourney in the works, or they may veto your plans for a tourney if there isn't enough thought put into it yet. Next, make an introductory thread. Lay out the general format of the tournament, but leave the particulars open to change and discussion. Gauge interest, pool tentative entrants, and hash out the particulars of the rules.
2. Make a sign-up thread. In the opening post, stress that each participant will have to commit to the tournament, which may include months of drafts and battles. PM those who don't seem as active to ensure their participation. Drop-outs kill tournaments. Do whatever possible to avoid them.
3. Ideally, sign-ups and final rule changes should take 1-2 weeks.


III. Establishing Rules

1. The Obvious: establish what prep time you will have, announce battle locations in advance (ideally) so that players can review them (often, an advantage could be conveyed by some locations that you might not see). Place limits on speed, strength, overall power, energy projection, healing, etc. etc. etc. Also a post count limit for each member who is participating. 10-12 posts per match is probably a reasonable maximum.

Also, an appearance minimum for drafted characters is strongly recommended. As in, don't allow a character who has only ever appeared in 4 comics. If they're being drafted, chances are they have a few great showings and no bad ones. It's hard to fight that sort of thing, or even get a definite power level for them. 10 comics is a safe minimum, though it can be altered at the host's discretion.

2. The Loopholes: listed below are some common loopholes that are used to create power combinations that are far beyond others at a particular power level. Establish a rule for each one, or be prepared to deal with them.
- Duplication: set a limit or ban it outright. Probably shouldn't be around at less than a herald level anyway.
- Constructs/Summoning: similar to duplication, set a limit or ban them outright. You can also make it so that constructs/summons have to be at or below the tourney limits.
- Power copying: this goes for both the draft picks as well as constructs/summons.
- Time Manipulation: usually best to stay away from this entirely. Time travel is a power few would want to see implemented in tourneys.
- Matter Manipulation: Is it allowed on the opposing team? On anything else (weapons, environment, etc.)? Not at all? Again, goes for constructs as well.
- Speed Force: Allow it at your own peril, at any level.
- Information Retention: Do characters retain knowledge from past matches? Particularly important in regards to power copying, but in other ways as well.
- Meshing Limit: Applicable mainly to amalgam tourneys, but also for power amping that can occur between two people. Is it allowed? Can characters be amped beyond tourney limits? Can participants access banned powers through meshes (speed force, matter manip, etc.) or not?
- Do feats by the character count if they are in comics that come out after drafts? Some tourneys have said yes, others no, others with the stipulation that they are only valid if they are consistent with the tier/level the character was originally drafted at. No herald feats for street levelers, in other words.
- People will find other loopholes. Count on it. Be ready to make decisions on them. And it doesn't hurt to simply make a "no loophole" clause in the rules, then invoke it to ban a potentially exploitive strategy. Or establish a total power limit, when other specific limits may not cover it.

3. Neutering:
Example: Matter manipulation is banned in this scenario. Let's say a character is drafted who meets all requirements, but can matter manip. The participant asks if they can use the character, just minus any matter manip. powers. You say yes. At this point, a precedent is set that can be dangerous. Let's also say the speed cap is at Mach 10. Now, someone can presumably draft the Flash and have him operating at exactly Mach 10 at all times. That may be an exaggeration, but if allowed, characters can and will be drafted that are beyond the caps. At that point, you give yourself the headache of establishing what is and isn't allowed, but for each character. Far more frustrating and time-consuming than making the rules once. It's also hard to keep judges aware of all of the neutering in such a scenario, so judging might be compromised.

Moral of the story, stay away from this if possible. You'll likely have to be the jerk during drafts, but an all or nothing approach is far better than bending the rules for such draft picks.

4. Don't change rules mid-tourney. It's bad form. Ambiguity may occur and a decision will need to be made, but make sure you let participants know that they should contact you with any "iffy" tactics beforehand to establish a rule on it. In fact, putting something to this affect in a sign-up or draft thread is a great idea. That way, they can't complain if they get ruled against later in the tourney.


IV. Drafts

1. You'll get 10-15 PM's a day concerning potential draft picks (or anger at your decisions). Be ready. This is by far the busiest time for a tourney host.
2. Usually a week is good for each round of drafts, with a day or two in between each draft. Establish a stopping day when you make the thread.
3. People will switch picks to counter the picks of others. Set a final date when picks can no longer be switched out.
4. Allow discussion and disagreement to occur, but stress that it must be kept civil. After a character has been contested for an ample period of time, weigh the evidence and make a decision. Establish it as final once it is made, or more chaos and argument will ensue. Read all posts in the draft threads (or other tourney threads) to make sure you understand each character that is being contested.


V. Judges

This is perhaps the most overlooked aspect of hosting. You need judges. Lots of them. Dedicated ones. Knowledgable ones. And you need to follow up on the judging. Ideally, have a steady rotation of judges so that there aren't just the same 4-5 people judging every match. To do this comfortably, you'll need no less than about 10 potential judges. Some will be more active than others, but as many competent judges as possible should be worked in.

Contact them early. Ideally during early drafts, once you know who isn't participating. Then PM them again when they are to be judging. Let them know to give their vote within no more than 2-3 days after a match ends, and ideally within 24 hours of it ending. One of the most unforeseen methods of slowing a tourney to a crawl are judges who don't vote in a timely manner. 2-3 days is a maximum. Let them know that you expect this, and if they can't do it, thank them for informing you and get a new judge.


VI. Battles

I've found that about 4-5 days is a nice amount of time for a battle. Enough time for participants to get a fair amount of debating in, and it leaves 2-3 days for judging so that you can stay on a roughly week-long cycle. Keeping things moving is key to maintaining momentum and interest. And part of the pressure is on you to keep judges steadily informed of their duties so that things continue to progress. If they aren't judging on time, it slows everything down, and the host is at fault just as much as the negligent judge(s).

Two matches a week is standard. More or less depending on tourney size.

Follow matches at least loosely. Chances are you'll be making 1-2 rulings during the matches themselves. You have to be around often, or else participants may not know if a tactic is legal or not for an entire match. If it isn't, one person's entire match may be for nothing. That kind of frustration makes unhappy participants.


VII. Final Comments

Try to enjoy it. It's a lot of work, but can be rewarding. But be prepared, and be active every day. Those two things are the biggest aspects of running a successful tournament.

The KMC default power level indicators are outlined here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t447826.html
Use these terms to ensure that everyone is on the same page.

Some tourneys won't have to deal with everything I've talked about. Every tourney director should find something to aid them, however. Ignore what isn't applicable and apply what is. If a tournament director actually follows through on these things, rather than simply nodding in agreement then doing their own thing, tourneys will run far more smoothly.

My hope in fitting everything me might need onto page 1 is simply so that we don't have to feel inhibited about talking in this thread. I hope this thread can act as a place to discuss past tourneys, current tourneys, and possible future ones as well. The research took a while, and I enlisted the aid of a few people to help me dig up links to the battle threads and such, but I think it's worth it.

I'm a sucker for lists and stats, so this is dreadfully fun for me...and will hopefully encourage more excitement for future tournaments.

Anyway, enjoy!

Don't worry about your silly order, Digi.

When I win the next tournament, I'll have three posts-worth of comments for you, just to screw up your silly order. evillaugh

P.S. Does this mean we can ALL make off-beat respect threads now?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Don't worry about your silly order, Digi.

When I win the next tournament, I'll have three posts-worth of comments for you, just to screw up your silly order. evillaugh

P.S. Does this mean we can ALL make off-beat respect threads now?

...this still applies to comics. And I've asked participants to limit themselves to a reasonable amount, or I wouldn't be able to add everything. So you can stop trying to find loopholes. You're like the student in my one class who asks for extra credit every time he so much as sneezes.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
...this still applies to comics. And I've asked participants to limit themselves to a reasonable amount, or I wouldn't be able to add everything. So you can stop trying to find loopholes. You're like the student in my one class who asks for extra credit every time he so much as sneezes.



Comic related respect threads only, hey? hmm

Well, I do post in a Comic Book Forum...

That's right, I'm not just mischievous and power-hungry, I'm a little bit conceited too. 313

Besides, I'm sure that kid will grow up to win a Nobel Prize on how sneezing actually uses a great percentage of our thought power... or something along those lines. And you'll be sorry you ever doubted him. Or me.

In the mean time, just prep yourself for the next tourney Digi. sly

P.S. : You're a teacher?

Oh, man... My tourneys are like a hall of shame...

I wasn't so bad in Evangel's Tourney, except that I based all my arguments on an obscure character that only one person besides me had heard of, and then didn't use any scans to back it up... For all other people knew, Erica might as well have not existed.

Batdude's Tourney... I don't even want to talk about it. I gave up without a fight, had no grasp of even the simplist rules, was deluded by Evangels lower quality trourney into thinking it would be a cakewalk... plus I spent way to much energy yelling at my partner... It was an infinitly depressing experience.

But, I think that I nontheless will get my groove on the next tourney...

Yes, I'm a teacher.

And good luck if you enter Smurph. I'm out of tourneys for a long while, so you won't have to deal with me.

P.S. Yeah, pretty pathetic Kandy. Step it up.

P.P.S. Just kidding

P.P.P.S. But seriously, step it up.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yes, I'm a teacher.


See, that's the funny thing about Digi.

At first he sounds like a gay accountant.

Surprisingly enough, he's not an accountant.

P.S. Any true Canadian would understand the reference.
P.P.S. I'll leave the thread before I get banned for spam and rude insinuations.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
See, that's the funny thing about Digi.

At first he sounds like a gay accountant.

Surprisingly enough, he's not an accountant.

Smurph's entering the next tourney?

....I see either an awesome team-up or a clash of the TITANS!!!

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Smurph's entering the next tourney?

....I see either an awesome team-up or a clash of the TITANS!!!

We shall see, Martian. slide

Time reveals all,my old friendchinese

Did Evangel host another "Slugfest" tourney that I may have missed? I thought she only hosted the herald amalgam one and the more recent multi-level tourney.

Someone said that she had, so any information on it would be appreciated.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Did Evangel host another "Slugfest" tourney that I may have missed? I thought she only hosted the herald amalgam one and the more recent multi-level tourney.

Someone said that she had, so any information on it would be appreciated.


She did two multi-level ones.

Originally posted by King Kandy
She did two multi-level ones.

Hmm.

Does anyone have links to this, or at least details on it?

I'll look into it too, but help is appreciated.

Her first "Slugfest" tourney, right?

'Cause this latest one was #2

Yeah, that one....it seems I missed it altogether for the thread.

Found it. I'll re-arrange the first page accordingly in a bit.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm a sucker for lists and stats

obsessive compulsive...

At least he admits his bad side....

I just like looking at stuff that interests me like this. Not really OCD, since I don't stress about stuff.

But meh.

...

Anyway.

Updates

I added in the very 1st tourney we ever had (Evangel's 1st "Slugfest" and updated the participants and character sections accordingly. I'm also adding pr/Rew's signature to the showcase area.

Also, Spawn was on the winning team in Tourney #1. He's the only "indie" person ever to win one.

Also, congrats to Loot (formerly Norrin Radd). Our newest champion....who is technically our oldest champion.

This next tournament should be epic. Be sure to give me and Devil Lance credit for starting this one. Btw, Mongooses ftw! We're fully expecting to get killed against the GLC, but we at least want to take down those illuminati bastards. Good luck Digi, not that your rigged ass team needs it.

Just wanted to pop in and say...AWESOME thread.

was there ever a street tourny?

Yes, there was 1 street tourney....but it was a very loose "street" level. An amalgam tournament. Jinzin was the winner.

Also, thanks guys. And yes, you'll get credit Trixie.

Just found a youtube video that would have backed up all my Kull energy absorbing armour (or EAA as I came to call it) claims from the Street Amalgam tourney ... Replay anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3T9e5N5mMw

Originally posted by Scoobless


My sentiments exactly (Space Phantom becoming Herc, that is....I could care less about your Kull crap )

*Drafts Wimpy from Popeye*

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This next tournament should be epic. Be sure to give me and Devil Lance credit for starting this one. Btw, Mongooses ftw! We're fully expecting to get killed against the GLC, but we at least want to take down those illuminati bastards. Good luck Digi, not that your rigged ass team needs it. Funny... because my plan has nothing to do with winning the tourney... but going against whatever team you guys are on... which would automatically give us the win...
Winning tourneys is for others, but if you can achieve the goal you set out to do, then you are already a winner...

You're going down son.

ive never even enter a tourny

I have 2 goals in this tourney.




1.Stomp Tricker into the ground mercilessely one last time.

2.Move onto bigger fish.Digi,i will be avenged,and Souja is with me in spirit.For BILL,ATOM and the JUGGERNAUT *****!!!

Should note that I beat Stormfront, but I forfeited my position so she could continue in disgust of how many people voted for her. I was disgusted that so many people would vote for a character I felt was completely inferior to mine, and were voting simply against me because they disliked me.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Should note that I beat Stormfront, but I forfeited my position so she could continue in disgust of how many people voted for her. I was disgusted that so many people would vote for a character I felt was completely inferior to mine, and were voting simply against me because they disliked me. '
what? You lost lost the vote and yet you say you forfeited your position how does that even make sense?

I won the vote.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
I won the vote.
if you won the vote then what the hell was the point in saying she get votes becuase people hate you? If people hated you then you would not have won the votes.

also the tournies have nothing to do with who likes you it based on who did better in the debate.

Yes, because EVERYONE is completely UNBIASED. You go back to your perfect little world where everyone is friendly and Wolverine is worshiped as god.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Yes, because EVERYONE is completely UNBIASED. You go back to your perfect little world where everyone is friendly and Wolverine is worshiped as god.

people are biased, but for you to be pissed off becuase not every one voted for you is just dumb. To assume you deserved all the votes is foolish. Maybe some people did not like you, but it more likly people thought she deserved the win.


also you wonder why people dislike you it for statements like the above as well as whining and saying people did not vote for you becuase they hate you. That just annoys people more. Your response was un needed. There was no need to say anthing if you won hell I hate to see what you say when you lose.

Originally posted by capt it up
people are biased, but for you to be pissed off becuase not every one voted for you is just dumb. To assume you deserved all the votes is foolish. Maybe some people did not like you, but it more likly people thought she deserved the win.


also you wonder why people dislike you it for statements like the above as well as whining and saying people did not vote for you becuase they hate you. That just annoys people more. Your response was un needed. There was no need to say anthing if you won hell I hate to see what you say when you lose.

Did I say I deserved all the votes? Did I say I wondered why people dislike me? Since when was I whining?

I didn't see how I managed to only win by ONE vote. It just boggled my mind that people would base their votes off *SF'S* debate and still choose her. Her character was *VERY* powerful, and the main reason he even had half a chance was that people helped him through almost the entire debate, and people voted based on their own ideas and not his. You should be voting on what the debaters put out there, not what you think, it's a battle of who debated better. If it had been a 65-75% majority victory, I wouldn't have been bothered, but ONE vote? No, that's just not right.

People dislike me because I'm an *******. You think I piss people off on purpose and don't expect them to dislike me? That's pretty ****ing stupid if you do.

There's a difference between whining and disgusted. If I had lost and bitched about it that would've been different. I stepped down and decided to let SF continue, if THAT many people ACTUALLY thought he did a good enough job to win our debate, then I wanted to see how far it would carry him. His next debate lasted a handful of pages, with almost every vote going against him. Why would people who were *SO* amazed by his debating prowess suddenly not be interested in his next match? Oh wait, because he wasn't facing big bad Nataku, the forum bully.

Lastly, stop following me around you rat, you antagonize me every chance you get. Go read a TPB and play with yourself or something.

Originally posted by capt it up
also the tournies have nothing to do with who likes you it based on who did better in the debate.

No, Nat's right ... These days they don't work like that ... but back when they first started the definitely did (up to a point) .... that's why the voting system changed slightly in every tourney to get to where it is now ... except the ones Evangel runs for some reason.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Did I say I deserved all the votes? Did I say I wondered why people dislike me? Since when was I whining?

I didn't see how I managed to only win by ONE vote. It just boggled my mind that people would base their votes off *SF'S* debate and still choose her. Her character was *VERY* powerful, and the main reason he even had half a chance was that people helped him through almost the entire debate, and people voted based on their own ideas and not his. You should be voting on what the debaters put out there, not what you think, it's a battle of who debated better. If it had been a 65-75% majority victory, I wouldn't have been bothered, but ONE vote? No, that's just not right.

People dislike me because I'm an *******. You think I piss people off on purpose and don't expect them to dislike me? That's pretty ****ing stupid if you do.

There's a difference between whining and disgusted. If I had lost and bitched about it that would've been different. I stepped down and decided to let SF continue, if THAT many people ACTUALLY thought he did a good enough job to win our debate, then I wanted to see how far it would carry him. His next debate lasted a handful of pages, with almost every vote going against him. Why would people who were *SO* amazed by his debating prowess suddenly not be interested in his next match? Oh wait, because he wasn't facing big bad Nataku, the forum bully.

Lastly, stop following me around you rat, you antagonize me every chance you get. Go read a TPB and play with yourself or something.
don't flatter your self.


your supose to be a bully? Are you serous? I alway found you more of a joke then any thing. If people find you a bully then that just funny. You could not scare or worry a fly.

also ytou go out of your way to attack people? Thats lame..........maybe you deserve it then...........oh well what ever floats you boat you little bully you.

Quit the bashing guys. This isn't the place.

And Nat did lay down his win, for whatever reasons....a unique instance in tourney history.

digi just edit my last post will you

I started reading this, and then realised i had a commitment to watching some paint dry.

Originally posted by Donkey Punch
I started reading this, and then realised i had a commitment to watching some paint dry.



True.


-FO!!

Originally posted by Donkey Punch
I started reading this, and then realised i had a commitment to watching some paint dry.

I read this post, then realised I had a previous commitment to the ignore function.

I still feel that I had Blair Wind beaten, but it's the risk you take of leaving the judgment up for public consumption, particularly the "attention to detail" deficient members of the public. If a 50 foot organic granite giant slams into you (or into the ground near you), at mach 10+, you're not getting up, and any attack you aim at it as it's coming at you (considering the power levels brought to bear in that tournament, and particularly that match) is not going to have any effect due to the mass and velocity. It's simple physics (not to mention that the status at which Monolith was copied by Duplicate Boy , and at what point in the contest, was questionable).

But anyway, after that, being a combatant in these tournaments hasn't been high up on my priorities list. I'm more inclined to be a voice of reason than to have to leave my arguments up to someone who isn't informed to judge or click on the poll, so I've chosen to judge myself as of late. I like that capacity more because I can ensure that the people in the tournaments get at least one informed verdict on their argument's merits and aren't victims of ADD, board popular opinion, and hyperbole.

I went against my better judgment recently and got a clear reminder of why I'd made that decision in the first place.

Sorry what did that Scoobles guy write ?

Originally posted by illadelph12
I went against my better judgment recently and got a clear reminder of why I'd made that decision in the first place.

Yeah, but they aren't all like that. And the move to judges-only voting means that there's more validity in the results. So we're improving...even though the recent debacle suggests otherwise.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, but they aren't all like that. And the move to judges-only voting means that there's more validity in the results. So we're improving...even though the recent debacle suggests otherwise.

Judges often have personal axes to grind.

-FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
Judges often have personal axes to grind.

-FO!!

Sure sometimes, but there's no way to completely remove subjectivity.

Heck, leonidas wanted Scoob and I to win the last tourney (with nothing personal against the other team of BW/DC) but he voted against us because he legitimately thought we wouldn't win the fight.

So the system works at least some of the time, and likely the vast majority. After all, we're not all spamtastically cancerous posters who have superiority complexes toward the forum ( ).

Because I don't have a better place to "store" this info right now:

I'm active in the signature community and felt like cataloguing their past competitions/tourneys. I'll be randomly editing this post as I encounter more links and winners.

Competition Winners:

1st Signature Competition:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t9101.html
Winner: verauko
Winning Signature: http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner1sh5.jpg

2nd Signature Competition:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/9741_1-the-second-official-kmc-forums-signature-making-contest
Winner: Darkstorm, Baylin, Dexx (there were 3 categories)
Winning Sigs:
Darkstorm - http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner21rj8.jpg
Baylin - http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner23rb0.gif
Dexx - http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner22wx3.jpg

3rd Signature Competition:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/21941_1-the-third-official-kmc-forums-sig-making-contest
Winners: Burlyman, Dexx, Matrixman (3 categories)
Winning Signatures:
Burlyman - http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner33ot8.gif
Dexx - http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner31da4.jpg
Matrixman - http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner32xw9.jpg

4th Signature Competition:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f76/t299035.html
Winners: VenomFan, TOH, Dexx (3 categories)
Winning Signatures:
Dexx - http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner42yo2.jpg
TOH - http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner41fg1.gif
Venomfan - http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner43ql0.jpg

5th Signature Competition:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f76/t375376.html
Winners: Hegemon875, H.S.6 (3 categories...Hegemon won 2 of them).
Winning Signatures:
Hegemon - http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner51hs0.jpg
H.S.6 - http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner52ja4.jpg

6th Signature Competition:
Discussion Thread - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=402411
Entry Thread - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=402410
Winner: Alliance
Runner-Up: H.S.6
Winning Signatures:
Alliance - http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner61th6.gif
H.S.6 - http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tourneywinner62zu6.jpg

....


Tourney Winners:

Tourney #1 (Host: DigiMark)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=393943
Winner: Lana
Runner-Up: Kenobi (i.e. LanceWindu, Puzzle, Tattoo, etc.)
Winning Entires:
Signature #1 - http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket11zf7.jpg
Sig #2 - http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket12we0.gif
Avatar - http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket13qa7.gif
Cool Runner-Up Entry:
Kenobi - http://img470.imageshack.us/my.php?image=showoff7xe.jpg

Tourney #2 (Host: Lana)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427341
Winner: Alliance
Winning Entries:
Signature - http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket21ou9.jpg
Image -
Avatar -

Tourney #3 (Host: Rewmac and Kallark)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/442771_1-final-round-sig-tourney
Winner: Gannon
Winning Entries:
Signature - http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket31vq5.jpg
Avatar - http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracket32cj3.jpg


...

So we have a new tourney going on. And good luck to all. The vets are there in force, but it's always nice to see underdogs pull through.

The winner will once again be immortalized here in the thread on Page 1, so prepare your acceptance speeches now.

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...

I also just decided what my favorite part of last tourney was. There was lots of cool things: Strategizing (ad nauseum) with Scoob, going through every character (ever!) for possible draft picks...80% of whom I've forgotten, actually debating, having pre-battle writeups that pwned our opponents, etc.

But my favorite was seeing BW and DC confer with each before they so much as breathed, let alone posted in a match. But for all of our planning, after the initial writeup we just kinda did our own thing. And 3-4 times I'd say something like "well, if we're making a ruling on {insert rule}, Scoob and I vote {insert opinion}". Then half a day later, Scoob would be like "Wtf?! No we don't!" Or vice versa. To observers, it was like we had no idea what was going on (maybe we didn't.... ). The difference in styles amused the hell out of me.

Anyway, good times.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So we have a new tourney going on. And good luck to all. The vets are there in force, but it's always nice to see underdogs pull through.

The winner will once again be immortalized here in the thread on Page 1, so prepare your acceptance speeches now.

I already have my speech ready

By the way I remember that me and BW used the same style him and DC used. It almost got us into trouble because one of us removed a word from a quote on accident and leo/khan jumped down our throats on it

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And 3-4 times I'd say something like "well, if we're making a ruling on {insert rule}, Scoob and I vote {insert opinion}". Then half a day later, Scoob would be like "Wtf?! No we don't!" Or vice versa. To observers, it was like we had no idea what was going on (maybe we didn't.... ). The difference in styles amused the hell out of me.

Anyway, good times.



Victory through misdirection .... almost.

Bump

Yeah, once I feel like it I'll add this tourney onto page 1. Congrats on your (4th?) win.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Bump


Looks like you beat me to it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Looks like you beat me to it.

Only by a couple of days.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Only by a couple of days.


Yeah... all of a sudden I just remembered this thread and was like "Whoah, there's been a new Tounrey! That I actually did good debating in! I need to bump that thread!"

Added the most recent tourney, and updated the all-time stats and such.

Sweetness.

http://www.radioblogclub.com/open/130623/final_countdown/Europe%20-%20The%20Final%20Countdown

So, I suppose that we'll be having a new tourney here soon....

BTW, shouldn't Scoobless give some winner comments for the High Meta Amalgam Tourney?

There's quite a few past champs that never left comments. I think Blair's the only one that's ever used it.

And yes, a spot on page 1 awaits the winners of the current tournament.

I think we should force them to comment! lol.

I keep meaning to get around to that .... still mean to.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I gave up without a fight, had no grasp of even the simplist rules, was deluded by Evangels lower quality trourney into thinking it would be a cakewalk...


King Kandy. Don't call my tournaments lower quality. If you lost in another tournament, don't blame your loss on my tournament. I put my time and effort into all the tournaments I do, and I ask that you respect that.

-Evangel94

I read through these tournament. I tend to agree with Kandy on this.

I mean, look at Hulk10, BdotRob, or myself. We would never of had a fighting chance in say, Batdude's tourney.

King Kandy and Nod, I'm going to only ask this once. Do not insult my tournaments or the participants of those tournaments. If you have a problem with it, keep it to yourself.

"Respect KMC Comic Tournaments"

Originally posted by DigiMark007
My hope is that it will become an area to discuss past and future tournaments,

Originally posted by King Kandy
I never read them all. Just the semi finals for each tournament.

I might want to take part if good participants like Batdudes tourney enter in the next one.

Originally posted by King Kandy


Stop being childish King Kandy. If you lost, then you have no one to blame but yourself. This thread is for Respecting (something your not doing at the moment) KMC tournaments. You have no right to come in here and call any tournament low quality especially when you haven't taken the time or effort to run any yourself.

Now I ask if you have any serious greivances, to keep it to private messages to myself if necessary.

Anyone has the right to say what they like. Freedom of speech.

Evangel's tournaments always seemed like the funnest to me, because the excitement was kept up with the fast pace, and there was a larger expanse of characters. srug

I'd enter the next one if one is held.

Originally posted by Nod
Anyone has the right to say what they like. Freedom of speech.

True enough, but you're on a privately owned website and must obey its rules or lose the right to post.

Anyway, I'd tend to agree with Evangel on this one. All the early tourneys had a lot to improve upon, regardless of the host. But Evangel was the person who started the tourney craze on KMC. And say what you will about current compared to early, but you didn't have to devote 6 months of your life to a tourney back in the old days....tournaments have certainly improved in the way we handle things, but there's something to be said for brevity.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
True enough, but you're on a privately owned website and must obey its rules or lose the right to post.

Anyway, I'd tend to agree with Evangel on this one. All the early tourneys had a lot to improve upon, regardless of the host. But Evangel was the person who started the tourney craze on KMC. And say what you will about current compared to early, but you didn't have to devote 6 months of your life to a tourney back in the old days....tournaments have certainly improved in the way we handle things, but there's something to be said for brevity. I swear you've said the exact same thing before... word for word. I think.

Originally posted by SaintSmurph
I swear you've said the exact same thing before... word for word. I think.

Probably. 90% of what I do as a mod is respond to problems and/or complaints. Eventually you start repeating yourself.

So.

3 tourneys. And if I'm not mistaken, a new tourney winner has to be crowned in Evangel's most recent tourney (despite plenty of tourney vets).

I feel....good...right now about all the tourney-ness going on. I generally don't like too many of them, but it's a good sign for KMC. And I feel like the forum should take a considerable break (i.e. months) after the current batch, only because you'll start losing a lot of support and interest from the "regulars" and the lull between tourneys generally makes them mroe exciting and worthwhile. But for the moment, it appears to be working.

.

Originally posted by Fuzzy Hawkeye

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So.

3 tourneys. And if I'm not mistaken, a new tourney winner has to be crowned in Evangel's most recent tourney (despite plenty of tourney vets).

I feel....good...right now about all the tourney-ness going on. I generally don't like too many of them, but it's a good sign for KMC. And I feel like the forum should take a considerable break (i.e. months) after the current batch, only because you'll start losing a lot of support and interest from the "regulars" and the lull between tourneys generally makes them mroe exciting and worthwhile. But for the moment, it appears to be working.

I agree, despite all the tournaments going on, it does feel merry around KMC versus forums.

Well Digi, you might get around to adding Evangel's soon. And maybe a bit on Illadelph's.

We'll see. I actually have preliminary stuff up for them (participant list, etc.) that I made probably a couple months ago.

At the moment my non-modding/posting time for KMC is spent finalizing the Authority respect thread reboot, so once that is finished we'll see.

Your Authority thread's done, dammit.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
Your Authority thread's done, dammit.

...wanted to wait until the current wave is complete, including the last 2-3. As soon as you and leo finish up I'll start putting some specs in.

This probably needs a bump now.

Three tournaments have passed, and this thread thread remains un-updated.

Yeah ... but I wasn't in those tourneys, so they don't count.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Three tournaments have passed, and this thread thread remains un-updated.

Check page one, b*tch. All but the tourney that just ended have been updated for a while.

Now all we need is winner comments.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Now all we need is winner comments.

Wrong. Now all we need is a little energon ... and a lot of luck.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Wrong. Now all we need is a little energon ... and a lot of luck. More than you can imagine Optimus Prime

I'll complete the updates in a day or two.

And to Smurph: I know what it's like to lose on the last vote of a tourney. Nice job. You took it like a gentlemen.

Having worked with leo, I can vouch for how impressive his tourney preparation is, and his debating is obviously up to snuff as well. 'grats, bud. You earned it.

Now if the multi-tourney winners could all just retire, or at least host a tourney because they know how it's done, we'd be set.

....

Along those lines, I'm making a rough guide for tourney directors soon. It will likely be posted here, as well as 1-2 other places. Things to expect, pitfalls of the past to learn from, what is expected of a director, general guidelines, stuff like that. Individual rules vary from tourney to tourney, but a lot can be done to standardize the approach that will streamline the process.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And to Smurph: I know what it's like to lose on the last vote of a tourney. Nice job. You took it like a gentlemen.

It's almost as bad making the vote as being the one who loses from it.

Guide for tourney directors is up. It's the final post of page 1. Feel free to browse....participants as well as hosts can benefit from it. Suggestions are welcome for adding to them. Send them to me via PM.

Hmm...

Scoobless was kind enough to write up champion comments for each of his wins. To date, only he and Blair have taken the opportunity to add to their tourneys. 'course, that's 6 of the 12 tourneys (and 1 never finished, so really 6 of 11 winners), so it's still a majority.

Everything is updated now except for leo's most recent winning team, which will then be added to the character list near the top. I couldn't remember all of them, so I'm waiting for his PM reply. Otherwise, all winner-lists and comments and such are fully updated.

Single Pick1- Forge
Amalgam1- Sersi/Ult. Reed
Amalagam2- Savitar/Vulcan
Single Pick2- Light Ray (originally Wiz Kid, he swapped out for Blair's character for the last match)
Single Pick3- Black Box
Amalgam Pick3- Rachel Summers/Cerebro Prime

Originally posted by Boy Blue
Single Pick1- Forge
Amalgam1- Sersi/Ult. Reed
Amalagam2- Savitar/Vulcan
Single Pick2- Light Ray (originally Wiz Kid, he swapped out for Blair's character for the last match)
Single Pick3- Black Box
Amalgam Pick3- Rachel Summers/Cerebro Prime

Thanks.

Also, did goober actually compete in the last one? I don't remember any matches with him. I know he was flirting with dropping out, but wasn't sure what was decided. Because I'll take him off the participant list otherwise.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thanks.

Also, did goober actually compete in the last one? I don't remember any matches with him. I know he was flirting with dropping out, but wasn't sure what was decided. Because I'll take him off the participant list otherwise. Yeah, he ditched, I'm pretty sure before the matches ever started.

Cool, thanks. And am I correct in assuming that Cerebro Prime is our first ever non-gendered tourney champ?

Are Vision and Super Adaptoid technically categorized into genders?

Originally posted by Boy Blue
Are Vision and Super Adaptoid technically categorized into genders?

Good point. And yes, they are. I hadn't really thought about it though.

Vision did marry Wanda. I know that doesn't technically make him male, but he's always been written as such. SA is more amorphic, though, and might be better categorized as neither.

Vision and Wanda had kids together, and his mind was a copy of Simon "Wonderman" Williams' mind.

The Super Adaptoid mearly mirrors the appearance of anyone it mimics.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Vision and Wanda had kids together, and his mind was a copy of Simon "Wonderman" Williams' mind. I see what you're reading, but all it says is "nopenisnopenisnopenisnopenisnopenisnopenis"

Clearly Wanda was just a lesbian with some reality manip.

Pretty sure he's got a robopenis, don't think it's ever been shown though.

I'll switch SA to "Other." But Vision's staying as a male, despite the lack of on-panel (pornographic) evidence.

I also always want to draft nothing but indie characters when I see that list. Spawn is the lone winner who isn't from the Big 2. 'course if I hadn't gotten banned from Evangel's last tourney, I'd like to think goober wouldn't have been a lock to win and The Doctor could've gotten one for team indie, but alas. And most of the time, drafts roll around and Marvel/DC characters are just too enticing and safe.

Mr. Majestic? Nice pick. Thor/GL/Surfer? Better pick. Though I'm a little shocked MN'er hasn't won one, since he has a couple appearences in tourneys.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I also always want to draft nothing but indie characters when I see that list. Spawn is the lone winner who isn't from the Big 2. 'course if I hadn't gotten banned from Evangel's last tourney, I'd like to think goober wouldn't have been a lock to win and The Doctor could've gotten one for team indie, but alas. And most of the time, drafts roll around and Marvel/DC characters are just too enticing and safe.

Draft only Indie characters eh? that'd be the Dr Jones team then.



The vast majority of characters I've drafted in tourneys have been from Marvel comics ... only ones that weren't (off the top of my head anyway) were the Flash, General Grievous a Kull Warrior from Stargate SG1 ... and those last two only got me a 5th place finish.

Originally posted by DigiMark007


Though I'm a little shocked MN'er hasn't won one, since he has a couple appearences in tourneys. MN should have won your Spidey level tourney.

Especially with who he was paired with.

Who was he paired with?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Who was he paired with?

Khell's amalgam, consisting of Grail, MNer, and Blink.

Yeah.

...my fault for allowing them in, but none of us knew a ton back in those days. Anyone could find a semi-obscure character with little trouble that no one else had heard of, and sneak them in, knowingly or unknowingly.

But yeah, his amalgam was the best in that tourney by a healthy margin (it was the one where you had General What's His Nuts from Star Wars).

Yeah, I didn't quiet "get" the meshing in the that tourney. I was sure the limit for strength/speed was Spider-Man even after the amalgamation process, so I never even tried to stack powers.

It was clearly a learning tournament. We had never done a street/meta tourney, and no one besides Evangel had really organized and run a tourney, so I was flying blind. I never set a mesh limit, but also wasn't explicit enough about the rules, so we had confusion like that. I wish I had known what I know now...I'd have been far more of a d*ck about draft picks, and also far more prepared rules-wise.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Khell's amalgam, consisting of Grail, MNer, and Blink.

Yeah.

...my fault for allowing them in, but none of us knew a ton back in those days. Anyone could find a semi-obscure character with little trouble that no one else had heard of, and sneak them in, knowingly or unknowingly.

But yeah, his amalgam was the best in that tourney by a healthy margin (it was the one where you had General What's His Nuts from Star Wars).

Meh, Khell's was one of the few amalgams I wasn't too worried about to be honest (because with my armour I could walk through his shields unharmed) I thought Long Pig's Shocktopus was probably one of the best. But I did think that having a character who generates that much energy would probably fry Doc Ock's tentacles or magnetise them to his steel body armour.

If you're reading this and you want to know about tourneys, go here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=443343&pagenumber=7

And you can see one from the start (and possibly join in if you go soon enough)

Originally posted by Scoobless
If you're reading this and you want to know about tourneys, go here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=443343&pagenumber=7

And you can see one from the start (and possibly join in if you go soon enough) Did you MEAN to link to the same page that we're on right now?

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Scoob fails again.

Originally posted by Boy Blue
Did you MEAN to link to the same page that we're on right now?

I had problems with a slow computer the other night, defraged it now though ... shouldn't happen again.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
i'm lonely

Hey. I added a post on page 1 (toward the bottom) to plug goober's Battle Zone. Hasn't been used in a while, but it's a nice premise, and provides a way for people to create and regulate their own tourney-style matches.

Recommended for those looking for experience or a debating opportunity without the months-long commitment of a tourney.

Link is provided on page 1.

Tourney Winners (characters):

Company Breakdown:
Marvel: 42
DC: 9
Indie: 1

Gender Breakdown:
Male: 42
Female: 8
Other: 2

...

I think 2 things are clear. One, Marvel > DC. Two, men > women.

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More seriously, though, the Marvel/DC numbers are startling to me. Slight Marvel leaning on this forum, sure, but tourneys are all about researching and knowing all kinds of powerful/versatile/obscure characters. Whoever fits the bill the best, regardless of company. It's natural for a few more Marvel than DC characters, since the company is slightly better known. But 42-9?! I wonder if maybe Marvel as a company is simply more diverse and powerful at any given level (herald and below, of course).

Two things:

1.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I've mentioned it to a few people: we're making a list. A list of competitors, ranked like a BCS-style poll. But the goal won't be a back-patting one like many "best {insert trait}" threads. First, it will be to honor and recognize those who our peers think is truly the best. Second, it can be used for ranking purposes, in case a tourney wants to do seeding. Third, most importantly, it will be incentive for people to improve their debating/ideas in order to move onto the list, or up the list for vets. And we'll be doing it by PM ballot, with only those I choose (20-25 people) getting to vote because they've had some large affect on tournies. That way there isn't discussion, fighting, controversy, etc.

...


2. The World Series of Poker has all of its events, leading up to the Main Event. But then at the end of each year they invite the 8-10 best players in the world, and maybe the most recent year's main event champion, to play in a winner-take-all match. It's for money, sure, but it's mainly as a way to showcase the best and brightest all at the same table, which rarely happens otherwise.

So my idea: Invite a group of maybe 8-10 combatants to participate. The "best and brightest" as it were. Tourney winners, notable entrants, etc. No rules, power levels, schedules, etc. Matches would be Battlezone fights, with participants finding a convenient time, setting the rules themselves, etc. and the parameters and rules would change match to match. So maybe we have jinzin vs. leonidas (2 tourney winners chosen at random) in a street-level match. Then Digi vs. goober in an abstract battle to see who plays the winner.

Here's the catch. The winner gets...hell I dunno yet. A championship t-shirt, maybe a little bit of cash, a DVD, etc. An actual real-life prize. I'll front the bill and actually send it to the winner. I'd "host" and also participate.

It might take us a year. It wouldn't matter. There wouldn't be "down time" because it wouldn't be a tourney-style format. There wouldn't be rule disputes because everything would be set by the participants for each match. The idea is to provide a fun competition without the stress of a tourney, and to reward those who have dedicated time and effort to tourneys.

I think the idea f-ing rocks. Thoughts?

I'm in full support if I'm invited.

If I'm not, the idea blows.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Character List:

Carnage
Puma
Sabertooth
Sasquatch
Venom
Wolverine
Wonder Man
Broken down to brick-ish characters- I think the only true "brick" there is Sasquatch, maybe Wonder Man.

Not startling, as I didn't expect many pure bricks would win, but still goes to show how versatility > all, especially in tourneys.

In regards to your assessment about Marvel vs. DC choices:

Something else to consider is DC continuity. It may not be a big deal, but the distinction between PC and Current characters is somewhat blurred, and also cuts out a fairly significant portion of DC's history.

Plus, our Marvel respect threads far outnumber our DC threads. Just something to keep in mind.

All good points. I'm still not sure that those factors account for the over 4-to-1 difference in companies, but they certainly contribute to it.

And yeah, versatility pwns. Unless you're doing "physical" so much better than anyone else (which is hard which specific caps) it's not worth it to have the best brick. That's the same logic I used to convince KFish to dump Abomination in the current tourney.

Juggernaut is a notable exception to the maxim that the usefulness of bricks is very limited. By all accounts, he should have a tourney win. He just hasn't been utilized fully.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Tourney Winners (characters):

It's natural for a few more Marvel than DC characters, since the company is slightly better known. But 42-9?!

My bad.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Juggernaut is a notable exception to the maxim that the usefulness of bricks is very limited. By all accounts, he should have a tourney win. He just hasn't been utilized fully. Just wait until another herald amalgam tourney roles around.

I'll get Cain his win.


As long as no one else enters

hmm.....

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Tourney Winners (characters):

Company Breakdown:
Marvel: 42
DC: 9
Indie: 1

Gender Breakdown:
Male: 42
Female: 8
Other: 2

...

I think 2 things are clear. One, Marvel > DC. Two, men > women.

313

More seriously, though, the Marvel/DC numbers are startling to me. Slight Marvel leaning on this forum, sure, but tourneys are all about researching and knowing all kinds of powerful/versatile/obscure characters. Whoever fits the bill the best, regardless of company. It's natural for a few more Marvel than DC characters, since the company is slightly better known. But 42-9?! I wonder if maybe Marvel as a company is simply more diverse and powerful at any given level (herald and below, of course).

Just out of curiosity ... the guys in red are the ones I had on tourney winning teams:

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Character List:

Characters on winning teams, listed alphabetically (brackets indicates multiple tourney victories):

3 Wins -
Silver Surfer (3)

2 Wins -
Hawkeye (2) (both times)
Quasar (2) (both times)

1 Win -
All-Star Superman
Batman
Black Alice
Black Box
Black Panther
Carnage
Cerebro Prime
Crystal
Duplicate Boy
Flash (Wally West)
Forge
Graviton
Hal Jordan
Iceman
Invisible Woman
The Keeper
Light Ray
Marvel Boy
Maxima
Mimic (Exiles)
Moonstone
Powerhouse
Psylocke
Puma
Rachel Summers
Reed Richards (Ultimate)
Sabertooth
Sasquatch
Savitar
Sersi
Scourge
Spawn
Sunfire
Super Adaptoid
Taskmaster
Thor
Ultimate Hawkeye
Venom
Vision
Vulcan
Wendigo (Earth X)
Wiz Kid
Wolverine
Wonder Man
Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)

Company Breakdown:
Marvel: 42
DC: 9
Indie: 1

Gender Breakdown:
Male: 42
Female: 8
Other: 2

That's 17 Marvel characters (counting Hawkeye and Quasar once each) and 1 DC character - The Flash.

Funnily enough, I've never tried to draft the Silver Surfer for a herald level tourney.