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Rest of the article is pretty disturbing. Oh and Utah is the only state with one.

That's too bad.

I really would like to know what goes through the minds of dropouts. Why?? It's just so stupid.

Originally posted by chithappens
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Rest of the article is pretty disturbing. Oh and Utah is the only state with one.

The NCLB FTW, go Bush!

Originally posted by Robtard
The NCLB FTW, go Bush!

It's ironic, it's probably the "No Child Left Behind" deal that's making more people drop out.

Eh, I really don't know.

Originally posted by chithappens
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Rest of the article is pretty disturbing. Oh and Utah is the only state with one.

It also says



Would the key words be poverty and minority?

What are you suggesting? I hate making assumptions

The obvious question....Are most drop-outs come from minorities? If so, what can be done to fix it.

I live in Utah. Minorities are often the geniuses at my school.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The obvious question....Are most drop-outs come from minorities? If so, what can be done to fix it.

It is in the article:



The minority part is a moot point, but yes it is true. The question is how to fix it period.

Here's a map of state percentages:


Percentage by state

Only 1 in 10? With the arrogance and severely depleted intellect exhibited by today's youth, I figured only 1 in 10 student bodies would actually be worth a damn.

Originally posted by botankus
Only 1 in 10? With the arrogance and severely depleted intellect exhibited by today's youth, I figured only 1 in 10 student bodies would actually be worth a damn.


I think your use of "today's" is inaccurate. If I am not mistaken, we are have higher education rates than in any other time in history. The last 100 years in the US has seen some major education leaps. We are not failing as bad as people would think. Though we shouldn't settle for what we have now, we also shouldn't look down on the system as being a failure.

I don't care if the schools are failing. I just want the kids to be put into Death Camps!


Did I say Death Camps? I meant Happy Camps.

Originally posted by botankus
I don't care if the schools are failing. I just want the kids to be put into Death Camps!


Did I say Death Camps? I meant Happy Camps.

Ohhh oh... someone didn't drink their whiskey this morning.

All the Baldwins are dead????

Originally posted by botankus
All the Baldwins are dead????

Nope, all four are alive and kicking. Steven (the youngest, of Bio-Dome fame) has found Jesus; he's now travelling the U.S. in a school bus preaching "the word".

Everyone should read this article:

http://www.macleans.ca/education/postsecondary/article.jsp?content=20070910_109139_109139&page=1

Originally posted by SelphieT
I really would like to know what goes through the minds of dropouts. Why?? It's just so stupid.

especially you

I swear, I really can't wait to just graduate from school and never have to see another arrogant teen who wants to dropout for a lame excuse again.

Originally posted by SelphieT
That's too bad.

I really would like to know what goes through the minds of dropouts. Why?? It's just so stupid. "TIZ SO STOOPID"

"BORIIIIING"

"SCHOOL IZ NOT C00L! ZOMG!"

School systems are not set up to keep kids interested, and thus, many kids are basically "pushed" out. Not to mention that, for the sake of the class and the content + beurecratic authority, much individual and assertive learning is not only frowned upon, but reprimanded.

Everyone I know who didn't finish high school, yes, they made the choice, but school never provided the right type of learning environment for them.

Originally posted by Quark_666
I live in Utah. Minorities are often the geniuses at my school.

If only the rest of us could have genius minorities. Like when the lawn jockey actually keeps people off the lawn.

I hate school.


But dropping out pretty much means youre screwed over, so although its an option---it really isnt.

Hardly surprising since so many young people in this country aspire to be a thug or "gangsta". It's cool to be a pimp or a "hoe". Popular culture and parents lack of involvement are the primary culprits.

Originally posted by chithappens
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Rest of the article is pretty disturbing. Oh and Utah is the only state with one.


Highschool is only usefull to those willing to learn. If you are uninterested in learning. Highschool will benefit you with only social development. Dropping out of highschool is not nearly as fatal to one's future as people make it out to be.

I agree but the dropout factory means 60 percent do not even make it to their senior year. That's alarming.

Originally posted by chithappens
I agree but the dropout factory means 60 percent do not even make it to their senior year. That's alarming.

I know why that would seem alarming to many people. I do know there is a solid argument to give credence to being alarmed. Personally,i do not see the problem here. This to me doesnt reflect on the school systems and their curriculum. As i have said before, if the person is not interested in education. School is not going to benefit that person. Many young adults dropout of highschool to later realize their thirst to learn and the importance of an education. contrary to popular belief. Dropping out of highschool doesnt hinder you from obtaining a successful life. You can still take steps to attend Universities if that is your desire. There are more programs today than there ever has been in assisting under educated adults.
I believe there are kids skipping highschool and going directly into a trade/tech school. Experience is infact more important than a lavish education history, Depending on the job.

I can turn on the TV and tell you this optimistic view is not neccesairly the case.

I refuse to cite the example to the rule as the standard that I use to gauge my views. I'm in the area (the South) where this occurs most often, and believe me they do not give a **** and do not have a plan for their futures, as a majority

Originally posted by botankus
I don't care if the schools are failing. I just want the kids to be put into Death Camps!


Did I say Death Camps? I meant Happy Camps. You sure live in a happy place!

*Gives commendations*

Originally posted by chithappens
I can turn on the TV and tell you this optimistic view is not neccesairly the case.

I refuse to cite the example to the rule as the standard that I use to gauge my views. I'm in the area (the South) where this occurs most often, and believe me they do not give a **** and do not have a plan for their futures, as a majority

Yes, i know this is a astounding fact. I just argue the idea that these people would have any different of a future had they opted to stay in school. After becoming an adult i realized that there are people that just dont want anything out of life other than comfort that comes from instant gratification.

There has always been Those two kinds of people. Those whom want to succeed and those who dont care or dont know how. I believe there are more programs today promoting self preservation in the way of education than ever before. The trade industry is booming. With the only requirment being a GED to attend a tech school, there is no excuse other than lack of ambition to explain lack of education. When a 20 year old high school dropout cannot pass a GED test. It is not because the school systems failed them. It is because they failed themselves. A 7th grader can pass a GED test.

Originally posted by inimalist
Everyone should read this article:

http://www.macleans.ca/education/postsecondary/article.jsp?content=20070910_109139_109139&page=1
That articles premise seems kind of silly when you consider that they still needed high enough grades to go to college.

I think "No Child Left Behind" is probably the most insane, lunatic educational law passed in modern times. There's just so much backward, bizzare thinking in that law that it's hard to imagine what mental problems lead to it.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Yes, i know this is a astounding fact. I just argue the idea that these people would have any different of a future had they opted to stay in school. After becoming an adult i realized that there are people that just dont want anything out of life other than comfort that comes from instant gratification.

There has always been Those two kinds of people. Those whom want to succeed and those who dont care or dont know how. I believe there are more programs today promoting self preservation in the way of education than ever before. The trade industry is booming. With the only requirment being a GED to attend a tech school, there is no excuse other than lack of ambition to explain lack of education. When a 20 year old high school dropout cannot pass a GED test. It is not because the school systems failed them. It is because they failed themselves. A 7th grader can pass a GED test.
I agree. Our highschools are incredible, it's the people/Additude towards education that's causing this problem, not the Schhols.

Originally posted by King Kandy

I think "No Child Left Behind" is probably the most insane, lunatic educational law passed in modern times. There's just so much backward, bizzare thinking in that law that it's hard to imagine what mental problems lead to it.

why is it that everyone understands this except for George Bush and Ann coulter?

I love ann Coulter but she likes to f*ck a dying horse

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
why is it that everyone understands this except for George Bush and Ann coulter?

I love ann Coulter but she likes to f*ck a dying horse
I think that one of the stupidest parts is this:

Schools that has more then a certain number of expulsions are classified as "Dangerous".

Now, any rational person should be able to realize that all this will do is create a situation where dangerous people won't be removed...

I picture some congressman thinking "Boy, schools will be a lot safer if you keep a bunch of unsafe people in them."

Originally posted by King Kandy
I agree. Our highschools are incredible, it's the people/Additude towards education that's causing this problem, not the Schhols.

Please take into account that all high schools are not the same. SOme are extrememly poor in all facets.

Read the entire article and get back to this point

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think that one of the stupidest parts is this:

Schools that has more then a certain number of expulsions are classified as "Dangerous".

Now, any rational person should be able to realize that all this will do is create a situation where dangerous people won't be removed...

I picture some congressman thinking "Boy, schools will be a lot safer if you keep a bunch of unsafe people in them."

Dangerous schools

Even when a child is expelled, they are required to attend an alternative school. I have read several studies that state and have known several friends that actualy benefited from attending alternate schools after being expelled. I know this is most likely not common, but i think it goes to show that ambition can sometimes be related to enviorment. The most prestigous of schools can hold a negative enviorment for young adults. Whether this negative enviorment was self imposed or externally influenced. There are many factors that go into a dropout factor other than the quality of the school.

So, yeah i whole heartedly agree with you. Keeping disruptive kids who persist to exhibit violent or distracted tendancies should at the very least be offered to attend alternate schools. These alternate schools cater to kids with learning obstacles.

Even more, If a person decides to dropout of school at the age of eighteen or acquires their parents permission at sixteen should not be categoized as a negative statistic. They are eighter making an adult decision, or have adult permission.

Go Utah.

That is all.

Originally posted by chithappens
Please take into account that all high schools are not the same. SOme are extrememly poor in all facets.

Read the entire article and get back to this point
Agreed, but if you take advantage of all they have to offer, I think you should be able to do okay.

Originally posted by chithappens
Please take into account that all high schools are not the same. SOme are extrememly poor in all facets.

Read the entire article and get back to this point


im not sure, but i think he was being ironic. Unless he did really mis spell schools accidently

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Dangerous schools

Even when a child is expelled, they are required to attend an alternative school. I have read several studies that state and have known several friends that actualy benefited from attending alternate schools after being expelled. I know this is most likely not common, but i think it goes to show that ambition can sometimes be related to enviorment. The most prestigous of schools can hold a negative enviorment for young adults. Whether this negative enviorment was self imposed or externally influenced. There are many factors that go into a dropout factor other than the quality of the school.

So, yeah i whole heartedly agree with you. Keeping disruptive kids who persist to exhibit violent or distracted tendancies should at the very least be offered to attend alternate schools. These alternate schools cater to kids with learning obstacles.

Even more, If a person decides to dropout of school at the age of eighteen or acquires their parents permission at sixteen should not be categoized as a negative statistic. They are eighter making an adult decision, or have adult permission.
Yeah... But this rule is making it so that they WON'T expell them, because Schools don't want a "Dangerous" rating... They'd be out of there if that rule didn't exist.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
im not sure, but i think he was being ironic. Unless he did really mis spell schools accidently
That was just a typo.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah... But this rule is making it so that they WON'T expell them, because Schools don't want a "Dangerous" rating... They'd be out of there if that rule didn't exist.

oh yeah, i know. I think it is ridiculous. i was trying to say that there should be enough to show that expulsion has no bearing on the education offered to a child.
The no child left behind policy is silly. It is to say that children were left behind before this policy, but schooling has been a requirement for some time. I believe it has been a requirement that children under the age of eighteen attend school since the 80's. I could be completely wrong, but i know this was the case when i was going through school, before the no child left behind crap

Originally posted by King Kandy
Agreed, but if you take advantage of all they have to offer, I think you should be able to do okay.

Life is not like the "Pursuit of the Happiness." Hard work does not always pay off.

What country you from?

They speak English in what?

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
oh yeah, i know. I think it is ridiculous. i was trying to say that there should be enough to show that expulsion has no bearing on the education offered to a child.
The no child left behind policy is silly. It is to say that children were left behind before this policy, but schooling has been a requirement for some time. I believe it has been a requirement that children under the age of eighteen attend school since the 80's. I could be completely wrong, but i know this was the case when i was going through school, before the no child left behind crap

I think it is 16...My friend in highschool moved out from his parents house and lived by himself in an apartment. He dropped out for a year to work and came back for his senior year. He was 18 then. He was able to call himself in late for school!!! That was the best thing ever.

Originally posted by debbiejo
You sure live in a happy place!

*Gives commendations*

Didn't any of you guys ever see South Park the Movie?

Watch it. It sure does have some memorable quotes.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think it is 16...My friend in highschool moved out from his parents house and lived by himself in an apartment. He dropped out for a year to work and came back for his senior year. He was 18 then. He was able to call himself in late for school!!! That was the best thing ever.

lol that would be aces to be able to call yourself in late for school

I know that in most states. A child can legally dropout at sixteen with parents permission. I did it at fifteen in South Carolina. I dont know how the no child left behind policy has effected this though

Do you even know what No Child Left Behind does?

Originally posted by chithappens
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Rest of the article is pretty disturbing. Oh and Utah is the only state with one.

Wow. That's...a disturbingly high number. And in the article it says "Nationally, about 70 percent of U.S. students graduate on time with a regular diploma." That seems incredibly low to me.

I might be biased because I went to a high school that had a 99% graduation rate when I graduated, but still.

That's because all Americans are stupid Yank tossers

With that kind of insight, I'm sure there's a 10% chance we can find a appropriate high school for you here in the States.

Originally posted by Kevy2007
That's because all Americans are stupid Yank tossers

That strikes me as redundant.

Originally posted by Kevy2007
That's because all Americans are stupid Yank tossers

Yank? Yes. Stupid? No. Tosser? Haha...not even close.


1 out of 3 is 33.33%, that means you fail.

Originally posted by chithappens
Do you even know what No Child Left Behind does?
Well for one it ranks schools with more then a certain number of expulsions as Dangerous...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well for one it ranks schools with more then a certain number of expulsions as Dangerous...

Anything else?

Originally posted by chithappens
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Rest of the article is pretty disturbing. Oh and Utah is the only state with one.
Well the High School I attended was #3 on the pregnancy scale; that's not much better, really.