Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
But this happened in the 80's, and was on the News. So if you want to suggest that his story was simply media hype and a conspiracy promoted by doctors and what-not, then that's fine with me.
can you provide me a link to the doctors who support Morris' claim? Or the names of the doctors who were with him in the hospital?
How about links to the media releases of the injury and subsequent recovery?
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Initially he claimed it was his Faith in God which lead him to heal. Now they are saying it was the Law of Attraction (he recently joined the New Thought Movement, I suppose).
To me that smacks of opportunist marketing. "The Secret" and other newage stuff is a multi billion dollar industry with almost no "quality control" check. People seem to think that it is ok to believe what this person says on faith, even though there is no demonstrable evidence that "his mind" cured his paralysis.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I beleive it. I do beleive in the Law of Attraction, personally, for different reasons. I beleive in the Power of the Mind. I can sit here and dictate to you everything of my experience which lead me to beleive this, but unless you truly care to know, I am not going to take my time to dictate it to you.
Personal subjective experience is a very faulty way to come to any type of understanding of the world around you. Our brains did not develop the faculty of reason to sit around and philosophise, and thus, they are very poor at doing this.
Everything from ancient philosophical traditions that speaks about the nature of the "self" has pretty much been shown to be false with modern neuroscience. The subjective nature of thinking about the self is entirely misleading.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I know his story sounds unbelievable, but I highly doubt his story was simply made up back then just for the sake of propaganda.
I don't doubt it at all. Con men are very common, charetans as well. You have money you will give people that tell you they can perform miracles, even without showing you. They are simply providing the supply to your demand.
The fact that he moved from Christian to New Age, just as new age was becomming highly marketable, is, imho, proof positive of that.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
You know, you don't have to wait for me to do so. His email is right there in my last post. You can email him if you desire medical records.
For me to believe this claim it would require verification from an outside source.
I know the "abscense of evidence is not evidence of absence", but I'm not exaggerating when I say the doctor who treated Morris would have won the nobel prize.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
1) His story was on the news in the 80's- it was a big deal then. A success guru who healed from paralysis and other severe injuries. I find it unlikely the media would collaborate with him just to serve a dishy story.
The media has no need to collaborate with him. Network and print media are more interested in economics than in journalistic integrety, and the power of his story could have increased their incredulity.
Psychic, ghost, and other absolutly unscientific ideas are printed in the media all the time. Freedom of Speech is not a quality control, hence why scientific literature has a VERY rigorous process by which articles can be published. Mens health magazine does not.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
2) There are so many other stories like his that I have read about.
this is anecdotal evidence about anecdotal evidence.
But further, the "similar" stories that you list below are individuals who are ALL associated with "the Secret". This doesn't set off alarm bells for you? The only people who have access to this type of story or experience are people trying to sell you a DVD and an ideology? hmmmmm
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
3) I doubt the doctors would just "go along" with his story by false diagnosing his multitude of injuries
this is from the report you havn't seen of course...
Who was his doctor? I would be much more interested in what they would have to say.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
4) I have read articles in Men's Health magazine which are similiar to his. I have read articles, medically documented articles in other Health info sources, where men and women ahve cured themselves of supposedly "incurable" diseases through alternative means
The most well done, largest, experimentally controlled studies into the efficacy of "alternative" medicines show zero signifigant effect.
These stories are 1) a misdiognosis 2) individual difference in immune response (ie: natural healing process) 3) random chance 4) lies
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
5) I know people in real life who survived and surpassed life threatening situations. My own sister, as a child, survived a septic shock...she survived the presense of gang green in her young body. She is perfectly healthy today.
This does not prove anything about "the Secret" or Morris' story not being marketing propoganda. The body has very powerful healing systems.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
6) I overcame Asthma at a very early age. Four years old. A grown adult beating any disease or condition doesn't seem too farfetched to me.
This does not prove anything about "the Secret" or Morris' story not being marketing propoganda. The body has very powerful healing systems.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
7) On the news, within the past few years, I have even seen a story of a man who survived being stabbed in the head.
This does not prove anything about "the Secret" or Morris' story not being marketing propoganda. The body has very powerful healing systems.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
8) On this Health Program, a girl is still alive after getting half her brain removed (due to cancer). She suffers minor light headedness at times, but otherwise she is perfectly fine.
This does not prove anything about "the Secret" or Morris' story not being marketing propoganda. The body has very powerful healing systems.
second note: You don't have your brain removed when you have a tumor removed, you have the tumor removed.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
9) There are plenty of medical records of people beating cancer. There are a few controversal cases of people beating HIV, but I beleive them.
This does not prove anything about "the Secret" or Morris' story not being marketing propoganda. The body has very powerful healing systems.
Second note: you believe them in spite of the work done by the medical community
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
10) There are other people who have survived horrendous things on thier own. Feel free to look them up:
-Dr. Ben Johnson
-Norman Cousins
-Kathy Goodman
-Dr. John F Demartini
This does not prove anything about "the Secret" or Morris' story not being marketing propoganda. The body has very powerful healing systems.
Second note: As I mentioned above, many of these individuals are heavly involved with "the secret" or have absolutly no internet references...
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
The man I mentioned earlier, the guy in the Men's Health Article as a man who nearly died of Chrone's disease. Chrone's Disease is an illness where your intestines rebel against your body, and thus you do not absorb any nutrition. His muscles, brain, and organs were dying little by little.
In a year he was cured. Through deep meditation, relaxation, laughter, positive thinking, herbal remedy, right diet, excersize, and concentration he beat the disease.
These practices did what no medication could do for him. I promise you and everyone on KMC I will find the article, site it, tell you the issue, page #'s and his name.
lol, well, I'll hold my breath waiting for that...
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
The story amazed me, but it's nothing new. I've heard and read so many others.
anecdotal evidence about anecdotal evidence
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
So in a nutshell, those are a few of the reasons I hold no doubts. What you beleive is your choice, but I am not a negative thinker.
LOL, negative thinker? thats an ad homenem, non sequitur, and general out-grouping. all 3 of which are seen as the best type of evidence available