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who do u think

Venom.

Don't we already have one of these? Or 10?

15 I think.

Green Goblin, no contest. At all. Nobody has scarred, beaten, mentally broken, and hurt Peter as much as Norman has. He's killed Gwen Stacey, killed Ben Reilly, "killed" Aunt May, made numerous other Goblins, almost destroyed New York City more times than I can count, corrupted Harry Osborn, crippled Flash Thompson, destroyed the Daily Bugle, and even beaten and carried Peter's unconcious(sp?) body to the underworld, where Spider-Man laid helpless and a broken man. And I haven't even listed one decade of his damage, let alone the fact that he's been kicking about for at least 25-30 years.

Venom's terrifying, Dr. Octopus is dangerous, and Green Goblin II is insane, but nobody has ruined Pete from the inside out quite like Norman.

Actually it has been proven by Spider-Man himself the only villain he is scared of is Venom, GG may have upset him but Spidy has never feared him, Venom scares Spider-Man and thats enough to make him a serious threat.

Originally posted by Toku King
Green Goblin, no contest. At all. Nobody has scarred, beaten, mentally broken, and hurt Peter as much as Norman has. He's killed Gwen Stacey, killed Ben Reilly, "killed" Aunt May, made numerous other Goblins, almost destroyed New York City more times than I can count, corrupted Harry Osborn, crippled Flash Thompson, destroyed the Daily Bugle, and even beaten and carried Peter's unconcious(sp?) body to the underworld, where Spider-Man laid helpless and a broken man. And I haven't even listed one decade of his damage, let alone the fact that he's been kicking about for at least 25-30 years.

Venom's terrifying, Dr. Octopus is dangerous, and Green Goblin II is insane, but nobody has ruined Pete from the inside out quite like Norman. So true

Venom is a cool villain. But there are no other villains which have been on the level Norman is.

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Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Actually it has been proven by Spider-Man himself the only villain he is scared of is Venom, GG may have upset him but Spidy has never feared him, Venom scares Spider-Man and thats enough to make him a serious threat.

Actually, that's not true. Whoever said that or wrote that is merely glorifying Venom.
I have an issue where Spider-Man was beaten so badly by GG, that he was terrified of even his own shadow.
Finally, he overcame his fear and won, only to be even more terrified at the fact that Norman reminded him of one key fact: He knew Spider-Man's life.

I remember that when he tried to make him his heir, yet the next time they meet he goes back to being, oh it's goblin, in many different issues Spidy is uncomfortable around Venom, and often tries to run and hide.

Did you see the scans BTW.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
I remember that when he tried to make him his heir, yet the next time they meet he goes back to being, oh it's goblin, in many different issues Spidy is uncomfortable around Venom, and often tries to run and hide.

Did you see the scans BTW.

I own the comic.

In fact, I own 90% of the comics involving both characters in the Spidey mythos, and Spider-Man doesn't hide from Venom. Like, ever. He's cautious, and goes into battle absolutely prepared for anything, and has indeed tried to get away from Venom, but he never went "OMG um soo scurred!"
In a title of Marvel Presents Spider-Man, however, he lost to Green Goblin so horribly that he quit being Spider-Man until he regained his courage to put back on the costume.

Don't play with me, the second fight with Venom he ran away, I like how you tried to boast you have 90% of every Spider-Man comics, like people don't have the same collection or just download them, would you like a medal for all that "hard" work.

The reason I am laying into you so much is because how you just spoke to me, using manners and being civil is often the best method of communication.

I remember making a "Top 15 Spider-Man Villains" list on CBR.
The list was:
15) Mysterio
14) Scorpion
13) Electro
12) Jackal
11) J. Jonah Jameson
10) Kingpin
9) Morlun
8) Carnage
7) The Lizard
6) Hobgoblin
5) Green Goblin II
4) Sandman
3) Dr. Octopus
2) Venom
1) Green Goblin

Here's the link: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=178842

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Don't play with me, the second fight with Venom he ran away, I like how you tried to boast you have 90% of every Spider-Man comics, like people don't have the same collection or just download them, would you like a medal for all that "hard" work.

The reason I am laying into you so much is because how you just spoke to me, using manners and being civil is often the best method of communication.

He didn't "run away". He was trying to stay away from Venom until he knew how to win.
And how was I being anything BUT civil? Heck, in that post, you sound ruder than I ever was.

Mysterio should be higher.

Nice to see someone finally put Jameson on a list, Kingpin is a daredevil villain not a Spider-Man one so that does not count.

Green Goblin 2 and sandman in those places, not for me, still good list.

However it is you, I asked did you see the pics that was all what did you say: I own 90% comics, as if being abrasive and in a who cares I have the issues sort of way, I was just asking then you getting all snidely.

Edit: on a side note the Kangeroo II lol.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Mysterio should be higher.

Electro and Scorpion have done more damage than Mysterio by far.



He first appeared in Spider-Man comics, has appeared in more Spidey comics than daredevil comics, and Kingpin shot Aunt May.
He absolutely counts.



Dude, Harry made Peter fall on the floor and deny his own existence. And Sandman has almost killed him numerous times, and has even put the world in jeapordy. They completely deserve their places.



I was stating a fact.

I don't care for Harry Osborne at all.

It doesn't matter if you care. He was a major threat as a villain.

Not really never could live up to his father...

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Not really never could live up to his father...

Pick up the 'Son Of The Green Goblin' TPB. He made Peter cry. CRY.

Wow that is pretty badass, is that when he gets killed off?

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Wow that is pretty badass, is that when he gets killed off?

No. That's when Spider-Man yells at Mary Jane after realizing that Harry has completely boxed him in. No matter where he went, what he did, or what he said, Harry was there on his Glider reminding him that he new everything there was to know about Peter.

Ahh yes I remember that, there were some great tales back in the old days, shame it all went downhill turn of the new millennium.

Originally posted by Toku King
Green Goblin, no contest. At all. Nobody has scarred, beaten, mentally broken, and hurt Peter as much as Norman has. He's killed Gwen Stacey, killed Ben Reilly, "killed" Aunt May, made numerous other Goblins, almost destroyed New York City more times than I can count, corrupted Harry Osborn, crippled Flash Thompson, destroyed the Daily Bugle, and even beaten and carried Peter's unconcious(sp?) body to the underworld, where Spider-Man laid helpless and a broken man. And I haven't even listed one decade of his damage, let alone the fact that he's been kicking about for at least 25-30 years.

Venom's terrifying, Dr. Octopus is dangerous, and Green Goblin II is insane, but nobody has ruined Pete from the inside out quite like Norman.
I agree. Even if Spidey isn't afraid of goblin, he is sure as hell afraid of what goblin is capable of. Goblin wins no contest.

It doesn't matter if Spidey is afraid of Venom. I'm sure people in horror movies are afraid of whatever it is thats after them, but they face it regardless. You can aply the same purpose to Venom.

I guess since Goblin killed Gwen...Spider-Man sees that he could do anything he wants to him.

Originally posted by Toku King
He didn't "run away". He was trying to stay away from Venom until he knew how to win.
And how was I being anything BUT civil? Heck, in that post, you sound ruder than I ever was.

Actually Spiderman IS affraid of Venom and he did run away. He faked his own death and left Venom on some deserted island. He left because he was affraid of Venom, he admitted it himself.

As for the greatest enemy, it really is Green Goblin, because while Venom simply wants to kill Peter, Goblin wants to ruin Pete's life.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Actually Spiderman IS affraid of Venom and he did run away. He faked his own death and left Venom on some deserted island. He left because he was affraid of Venom, he admitted it himself.

Exactly what I said...

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Exactly what I said...

But much more polite, and gave me an example.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Actually Spiderman IS affraid of Venom and he did run away. He faked his own death and left Venom on some deserted island. He left because he was affraid of Venom, he admitted it himself.

As for the greatest enemy, it really is Green Goblin, because while Venom simply wants to kill Peter, Goblin wants to ruin Pete's life.

I remember in an issue of ASM(forgot issue #), when Norman revealed himself to Spider-Man as alive, Pete cried, and had personal issues with fighting GG again. Eventually, they fought again, and Spider-Man won after a hard beating.

And who can forget GG dropping a building on Spider-Man?

Originally posted by Toku King
But much more polite, and gave me an example.

Not really you were the one being rude to begin with.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Not really you were the one being rude to begin with.

And it's posts like that that don't allow me to take you seriously.

Originally posted by Toku King
I remember in an issue of ASM(forgot issue #), when Norman revealed himself to Spider-Man as alive, Pete cried, and had personal issues with fighting GG again. Eventually, they fought again, and Spider-Man won after a hard beating.

And who can forget GG dropping a building on Spider-Man?
Yeah, I remember that scene, but Pete cried not because he was affrad of Goblin, he cried because the guy just doesn't stay dead and always keeps haunting him, bringing all the bad memories with him. To tell the truth Norman never possesed a threat to parker as a fighting opponent. Spider was always stronger and faster, but most of the time he holds back even with supervillains. But unlike Brock, Osborn doesn't have any moral code, that's why he's so dangerous.
As for Venom, Peter sees him as his own dark side. He feels responsable for everything Venom does, that's what makes him even a greater enemy.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yeah, I remember that scene, but Pete cried not because he was affrad of Goblin, he cried because the guy just doesn't stay dead and always keeps haunting him, bringing all the bad memories with him. To tell the truth Norman never possesed a threat to parker as a fighting opponent. Spider was always stronger and faster, but most of the time he holds back even with supervillains. But unlike Brock, Osborn doesn't have any moral code, that's why he's so dangerous.
As for Venom, Peter sees him as his own dark side. He feels responsable for everything Venom does, that's what makes him even a greater enemy.

Spider-Man created venom, he never created GG or Ock, so I guess he feels he has a responsibility when it comes to Venom.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Spider-Man created venom, he never created GG or Ock, so I guess he feels he has a responsibility when it comes to Venom.
Not to mention that Venom is the only spider's enemy that can't be detected by spider sense. I know, there are other symbiotes but Venom's the only symbiote who knows Parker's secret id so he could come out of nowhere.

Oh yes; he's not afraid to get Peter's family involved.

Yeah, according to his own code, they're not "innocent".

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yeah, according to his own code, they're not "innocent".

Actually, they are to him. That's why Eddie never harmed MJ or Aunt May. He scares Peter with the idea, but he's never planned to.
The only time he truly, truly thought about it was when Aunt May was on her death bed in the next room.

Later on he became more lethal to them, in the beginning no he did not.

Originally posted by Toku King
Actually, they are to him. That's why Eddie never harmed MJ or Aunt May. He scares Peter with the idea, but he's never planned to.
The only time he truly, truly thought about it was when Aunt May was on her death bed in the next room.
Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Later on he became more lethal to them, in the beginning no he did not.

I remember an issue where Venom kidnapped Peter's "parents" (i think they were clones or something whateva) and he was planning to kill them because they gave birth to the "evil" but later changed his mind when he found out that they don't know that Peter is Spiderman.

Originally posted by harri
who do u think

It's between Venom and Green Goblin.

Originally posted by Sam Z
I remember an issue where Venom kidnapped Peter's "parents" (i think they were clones or something whateva) and he was planning to kill them because they gave birth to the "evil" but later changed his mind when he found out that they don't know that Peter is Spiderman.

They were robots.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
They were robots.

I knew that...

They were one of the first start steps to the clone saga.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
They were robots.

And guess who made them?

HARRY OSBORN.

And once it was revealed that it was all a sham, Peter went on his knees and questioned his own existence.

That alone is a good example of why I rank GG2 so high.

I thought the Jackal/Norman made them?

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
I thought the Jackal/Norman made them?

Nope. They made the Gwen and Spider-Man clones. Harry made the robot parents.

Oh, I thought they made the robots first then the clones.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Oh, I thought they made the robots first then the clones.

Harry made the robot parents, then the 90s section of the Clone Saga kicked in, I think. May have been the other way around, but I'm not sure.

However, Harry did make the robot parents.

I have that storyline

Here's a bit from Marvel.com:



http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2470.Take_10~colon~_Spidey's_Fiercest_Foes

Cool, I was never a big fan of the clone saga.

Neither was I.

Ult. clone saga is good

Originally posted by steverules
Ult. clone saga is good

I stopped at Scorpion's debut, since we don't have a comic store anywhere near here.
I liked the issue a lot, though.

I heard good things about the Ult version, nice to see Doc Ock as the villain, the guy who has enough intelligence to pull it off.

Originally posted by Toku King
I stopped at Scorpion's debut, since we don't have a comic store anywhere near here.
I liked the issue a lot, though.

Took me ages to get that issue, I started getting the ult.clone saga at issue 100 and had to get each issue individually and issue 97 was hard to get on it's own, wasn't at any comic shop and if you went on ebay and tried finding it then it would come with the other parts of the clone saga but I got lucky and found the issue on it's own

What issues do the Clone saga take up?

I'm not a big fan of the Ultimate story lines.

I don't like Ult. At all but I have heard good things about the clone saga.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
What issues do the Clone saga take up?

97 - 105 I think

Ahh cool.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Not really never could live up to his father... Technically he is better since he had that better sirem but green goblin is a legend in spidey comics. I just still dont think he's spidey's greatest enemy

Plus he neally killed spider-man, had Harry not turned good and seen the error of his ways then spider-man woulda died

Well, Venom could've killed Spiderman like 50 times, I think. But is always interrupted or stops himself in order to prolong the pleasure...

Which in turn leads to his defeat most of the time.

Yeah Well, they need SOME excuse for Spidey to survive his battles with Venom.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yeah Well, they need SOME excuse for Spidey to survive his battles with Venom.

Actually, Spider-Man wins creatively. Like in the second fight, Pete took off his suit and told the Symbiote to come get him. The Symbiote tried to break from Eddie, but the stress of breaking away was so great that both the Symbiote and Brock were left unconscious.

Not really he just tricks venom, most of the time he runs away and then uses sonics or fire to stop him, I mean how does he beat GG, hit him in the face simple as, that won't work on Venom.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Not really he just tricks venom, most of the time he runs away and then uses sonics or fire to stop him, I mean how does he beat GG, hit him in the face simple as, that won't work on Venom.

That's very, very, very untrue. "Just hit him in the face"? Not that easy, ever. He's done it maybe once, but he looked like one big bruise aafter getting that close. He does sonics and things with Venom because it makes it easier. He isn't that lucky with Norman. When he hits Norman, he has to hit him hard. Very hard. Mailbox driving his head into the tar hard. Hit him with a desk out a window into a car hard. Norman isn't beatable with just sonics and fire. He needs to be flat out beaten, and he's stronger than Spider-Man, not to mention more skilled h2h.
And even those times(besides the mailbox), he was still ticking.
When Norman was in his unstable faze, Norman could be convinced to stop. In those times, Spidey would try that right before a fight with the dude, because he really, really didn't want to be covered in bruises, blood, and charred skin.

It's that simple. I mean, NOT simple.