Originally posted by Zeitgeist
*Animal Man part*
So... essentially, you have him absorbing animals. Alien animals, but animals none-the-less. If he could replicate powers such as Wonder Woman/Superman, you'd think he would have done so.
Hell, even in 52, after the people who gave him his powers, upgraded him, they told him that in order to live, he had to find an "animal power". Apparently, Sun-Eaters are animals if you tried to bring that up as proof. And he only copied their migration maps, and homing abilities.
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OK, just wanted to see if it was provable. However, when has he ever done this with powers as well?
Originally posted by Zeitgeist
She summons the aegis shield when she crosses her bracelets... this has held off a pantheon of gods, individuals who could stomp all over the justice league.
We have Firestorms capable of moving at lightspeed, who can turn the energy to sunlight if they wish.
Which just makes us stronger.
Meggan can also absorb the energy. No that's not true at all.
She deflected the God's attack 15 degrees using her bracelets and strength (which is how she deflects stuff). I personally have never seen this 'all powerful shield'. If you have proof of it being powerful, could you show me?
Also, her arms were thrown right back when she deflected this attack with her unbreakable bracelets. And it says right on panel that they connect with her bracelets...
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection40gj.jpg
Also, MM was able to throw her off:
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I personally have no idea how she's going to withstand this blast.
Firestorm(s) won't be helping the team though. And, when they're teleported, they'll be disoriented and he'll have no time to really react. And, the biggest thing he's ever transmuted pales in comparison to this thing, and this will be coming at all sides... so... really, he's screwed too.
Meggan will absorb the energy? Are you serious? I thought that the Firestorms were going to transmute the energy. This doesn't even make a lick of sense. So, Meggan/Firestorm will be absorbing and transmuting energy? That won't work.
Or, you must have forgotten that Meggan was fused with Firestorm...
Originally posted by Zeitgeist
There's 11 of us capable of moving at lightspeed... and Diana's reflexes and MA skills which we all now possess, ridiculously surpass anything that Northstar's capable of.
You seem to think that you can teleport, take out 11 people with better skills and reflexes, before we... turn around.
Even if there was 11 of you, moving at Jor-El's speed (I don't remember Jor-El really doing that much in comics, let alone moving at lightspeed), it matters little when you're suddenly getting hit with over a 100 attacks.
And Diana could barely fight a retarded Superman's attacks. How are they supposed to help when a confirmed 99.9% lightspeeder in combat is attacking her (skills/reflexes)? They possess her dazzle, but it's not enough to really prove anything as ineffective when you're dealing with this range of speed/power.
Plus, reflexes? Did you just throw this out? Because you certainly haven't proved it. As well as, we aren't having a reaction war, so even if your reflexes were theoretically better, it means nothing when my attacks are fast enough to tag you every time. What do I have to react to? Your guys standing still at the start, and then moving their heads when I'm throwing top Flash level speed attacks? Really.
And I never said it was going to happen before you turn around, I said it was going to happen in like a second.
Not to mention, you don't even seem to know what you're doing after this happens. You say skill like it means something, but the times WW has been hit by things less than even the speed of sound is astounding.
You also mention the PZG a couple times, and yes, this could work, if you manage to pull it off. You have to turn around, aim, click, and the thing has to work before your head turns into paste.
You also have you saying skill, and PZG in the same breath... which completely rules each other out, since you can't have both.
Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Juggy is the biggest, for sure. Biggest target. And he's up against 11 people with faster reflexes and better skills that can BFR him with the press of a button. There's a reason I mentioned his size. Because, it's easier to grab all of the guys hurtled together if I am blasted by the PZG. To BFR your guys along with Juggy that is.
Plus, so what are you actually doing? You mention your skills, yet you mention that you can BFR me in the press of a button?
Are you going to 'outskill' me and then BFR me? That makes no sense, and not to mention risky as shit if it works.
Plus, this is a small space behind WW, how effective is a 'gun' going to be in such a tiny area, with this many people?
Originally posted by Zeitgeist
We won't even set off the bomb until we know that you're in danger. Or your partners. Seeing as we'll be activating them manually... we're actually not in danger at all. Well... now I'm confused.
Because you just changed your argument.
You switched from me being just near them, to only activating them if you're in trouble.
I can't do anything debate wise if you change your arguments at the drop of a dime, as I don't know what could happen next - Are you just not going to set off the bombs anymore at all? And I thought that it was considered bad to change your arguments... meh, what do I know...
Also, before it's brought up, like I said, the chance of me being near a bomb is really good... so like I said (sticking to the original argument), the bombs will go off right away.
Originally posted by Zeitgeist
You left Cable and Mac open, all right.
Open to attack.
Speedsters alone, we've got almost triple what you have and they each are superior to a kryptonian. Most of them surpass a sundipped kryptonian. They all also possess a PZP, and lets not even delve into their esoteric powers (invisibility, intense telepathy, matter manipulation?)
They all possess Diana's reflexes and skills.
They all move at lightspeed.
And they're each capable of one-shotting your entire team.
And you have... Cable and Mac. Open to attack? How so?
Oh wait... nevermind. If you hadn't changed your plan, then as soon as the battle started, the bombs would have went off.
Originally posted by Zeitgeist
If everybody was dead save Mac, we can set off the explosion to funnel through that one-way entrance, leaving you no escape.
We can have Manchester Black tele-rape you.
Wonder Woman can go in there and kick your ass alone... or we all can since we have her fighting skills.
The rest of the post is basically a recap of everything I've rebutted.
If there's any other proof required, name and we shall provide.
The one way entrance door?
And how would you even know I'm there? Are you going to have Black sense me out when WW is defending against the blast? Logic tells me that trying to use TP, and defending against a humongous blast is a bad idea. Loss of concentration. Or did you forget that WW and MB are fused together?
You have a lot of 'can's', but not a lot of 'wills'. I 'can' break your team in half, but I 'will' let you kill yourself. You see how that works?
You don't even have a solid plan (no offense).
At first you were going to set off the bombs when we went near them. Now you're going to set them off when you're in trouble (which would be bad for you guys, since you won't be aligned in case the bomb does go off due to you).
After that, it's a lot of scattered 'cans'. I don't know what you're going to do. You apparently don't know what you're going to do. The judges don't know what you're going to do. How do you expect to win when your team is basically doing nothing? You can't have 'cans' without doing something.
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Either way, since this is probably my last post:
Both Firestorms are removed from WW's side.
WW can't defend against this blast, and the blast will be coming from the sides I think (due to me thinking that the FS's will be at her side due to you making it seem so), and will obliterate all.
The Firestorms will most likely be disoriented, and overwhelmed by the explosion (also due to one doing nothing, since he's transmuting, and absorbing energy
).
And to make matters worse... as just an added filler:
Juggernaut will be attacking your guys from behind. It's highly irrelevant if he does any damage at all, but it helps. If he doesn't get BFR'ed (well, he shouldn't, since you're going to be using skill and PSG's on him... errr), then he will survive since he's completely invulnerable.
And of course, MY guy is the last one standing, due to unbreakable casing, and hiding in it.
Guardian wins.
Good battle.
