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As we all know there are many psychologists who believe that your dreams symbolize your deepest thoughts, anxieties and needs that you yourself may not be aware of- the unconscious.

Anyway, has does anyone on KMC have their dreams interpreted? What have you found, does it seem to be correct?

Also, if you have a dream- share so we can all interpret together!

My dream is one i had just last night, hense the topic.

I was at a house party and all my friends were there, we were having a good time etc etc however my two streams of water started gushing from my top lip- like to tap streams. I was a bit startled and ran to the sink, turned on its tap and put my face under it- I think to hide the fact my lip was gushing water, anyway I went to a mirror and had two red spots about an inch apart which i thought must be responsible for the water...however as I examined closer I saw two holes, that looked normal/organic, just next to the two holes- they I assumed was were the water was comming from...

Whats interesting is I am sure I've had a dream in which this water thing has happened before...

What could it mean?

Dance, and by extension parties represent sexual intercourse. Anything that emits water is a phallic symbol. Fall into water, however, is symbolic of birth which is this case you did intentionally.

So either you have suppressed gay sex fantasies from your infancy or dream interpretation needs to be taken with a whole heaping bowl of salt.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Dance, and by extension parties represent sexual intercourse. Anything that emits water is a phallic symbol. Fall into water, however, is symbolic of birth which is this case you did intentionally.

So either you have suppressed gay sex fantasies from your infancy or dream interpretation needs to be taken with a whole heaping bowl of salt.

I love Sigmund!

A simple but generally effective way to determine what a dream means is by recalling how you felt during the dream, or how you felt about a given scene or object (ie, you're highlighting the emotional charge rather than thinking about the dream content). It's also good to examine dreams over several nights to spot any patterns which may not be obvious with only one night of dreams. A dream journal helps.

If you can learn to lucid dream, you can "analyze" your dreams right on the spot. Needless to say, this is a more advanced method of dream interpretation.

I don't believe that dreams are random neuron impulses in the frontal lobe. I just find the term 'random' hard to believe. What is the biological purpose of a dream?

It's much deeper and complex in my opinion.

personal example:

last week i had a dream that there were a million cars in this landscape and all of them were broken down. I approached this one car. It was a blue maserati. The key was already in and the car was on. I just had to open the door.

that was my dream, and that same day we almost got into an accident by a blue maserati.

what are the odds of that?

Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
I don't believe that dreams are random neuron impulses in the frontal lobe. I just find the term 'random' hard to believe. What is the biological purpose of a dream?

To replenish neurotransmitters in the brain while maintaining a minimal level of operation. Or so I've been told.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
To replenish neurotransmitters in the brain while maintaining a minimal level of operation. Or so I've been told. it's not a minimal level if it's rapidly firing.

maybe i'm mistaken.

It's just your mind, trying to use piece together images with your thoughts, whilst in a state between sleep and wake.

I don't think dreams mean anything. Although, like anything else, you can find as much meaning as you want.

Here's a site I use to analyze my dreams.

www.dreammoods.com

First time I had a dream, I think I was 8 or so, and I dreamed I was in a street resembling a street in a next door village. I was alone in the middle of a road, and everywhere I turned, a great big wave of water came rushing towards me. There were 4 waves, and just before they got me, I woke up. My explanation behind it was the rain from outside.

Another dream I had around 8 was one where my leg was stuck to the road and I was trying to free it, but didn't. My Grandma was walking away ignoring me. A big lorry came and was going to hit me, again, I woke up before it did.

Since then I haven't dreamed at all until about last week. All I dream about now is just the future, or rather, the next day where I say things, do things, etc and I think it's real, and it keeps going until something in the real world actually wakes me up, and at first I'm confused, like, "Didn't all that just happen?" but then I experience and it's always different to my dream -- more dull.

Any reason behind those first 2 dreams, and these new more recent ones? I actually am asking here.

Originally posted by lord xyz
First time I had a dream, I think I was 8 or so, and I dreamed I was in a street resembling a street in a next door village. I was alone in the middle of a road, and everywhere I turned, a great big wave of water came rushing towards me. There were 4 waves, and just before they got me, I woke up. My explanation behind it was the rain from outside.

Another dream I had around 8 was one where my leg was stuck to the road and I was trying to free it, but didn't. My Grandma was walking away ignoring me. A big lorry came and was going to hit me, again, I woke up before it did.

Since then I haven't dreamed at all until about last week. All I dream about now is just the future, or rather, the next day where I say things, do things, etc and I think it's real, and it keeps going until something in the real world actually wakes me up, and at first I'm confused, like, "Didn't all that just happen?" but then I experience and it's always different to my dream -- more dull.

Any reason behind those first 2 dreams, and these new more recent ones? I actually am asking here. R u serious? I dream probably 4-5 times a week.

Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
R u serious? I dream probably 4-5 times a week. I am, only recently have I been able to actually dream.

I have always had very visual and multiple dreams a night...Every night!..They are so very visual and in color.

At one time when I was little and was told to go to bed, I hated it, but knew........Oooo I'd have dreamsssssssssssss...and to me that was really cool.

My night sleep is soooooooo filled with dreams that I have a problem with understanding all the underlying meanings to them...Hence why I try to look up symbolism's on dreams.

They have always been apart of my life. Now, I am trying to understand the meaning or message of them.

They are so real as my waking life, but when I wake up I know that they are just dreams..............but there are some instances that things I dream do come true...

It's possible that I just forget my dreams, but really, if you're dreaming, are you really asleep, or in a different state of mind between sleep and wake?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
but there are some instances that things I dream do come true...

are dreams where are minds/souls travel to a dimension where spacetime is not an issue is that how we can see the future before it happens? hmmm beer lemme sleep on it..lol

Originally posted by lord xyz
I am, only recently have I been able to actually dream. More accurately, only recently have you begun to remember your dreams.

We are always dreaming, even when awake, but we don't see them during the day for the same reason we don't see the stars during the day: the sun outshines them. So with dreams, our sensory perceptions and common mental activities outshine the subtler processes which we perceive at night and call dreams (basically it has to do with where our point of attention is, ie, where the organism is focusing energy for managing either gross or subtle life processes).

Interesting FYI: if I remember my psychopharmacology correctly, dreaming "brightness" gets turned up with serotonin hallucinogens (eg, LSD). The hallucinogen interferes with inhibitor neurons which normally keep dream brightness low.

This is why these drugs induce hallucinations: what you're seeing are your dreams while awake, outshining normal sensory and mental impressions.

dude you did to much lsd...lol...

Originally posted by Mindship
More accurately, only recently have you begun to remember your dreams.

We are always dreaming, even when awake, but we don't see them during the day for the same reason we don't see the stars during the day: the sun outshines them. So with dreams, our sensory perceptions and common mental activities outshine the subtler processes which we perceive at night and call dreams (basically it has to do with where our point of attention is, ie, where the organism is focusing energy for managing either gross or subtle life processes).

Interesting FYI: if I remember my psychopharmacology correctly, dreaming "brightness" gets turned up with serotonin hallucinogens (eg, LSD). The hallucinogen interferes with inhibitor neurons which normally keep dream brightness low.

This is why these drugs induce hallucinations: what you're seeing are your dreams while awake, outshining normal sensory and mental impressions.

Do you have a citation for that? It gives me some great "psychic-steganography" plot ideas and I'd love a way to justify the concept.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Do you have a citation for that? It gives me some great "psychic-steganography" plot ideas and I'd love a way to justify the concept.
what r u trying to hide in your quotes..lol

Originally posted by Jack Daniels
dude you did to much lsd...lol... They don't call it a "trip" for nothin'.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Do you have a citation for that? It gives me some great "psychic-steganography" plot ideas and I'd love a way to justify the concept. This is going back a number of years. The textbooks and notes I had have long since been discarded. But I do remember this pretty clearly, because after a whole year of psychopharm with legal substances, the whole class lit up with the last chapter involving controlled substances. Off-hand, I'd say a little google research with key words serotonin, dreaming, inhibitor neurons, lsd/hallucinagins should get you the info you're looking for.

That aside, I'm intrigued by what you may have in mind.

Besides, we have some KMC members much more versed in biology and brain functioning than I am. Maybe they can elucidate the serotonin relationship better (or discount it, if I'm remembering this incorrectly).

Originally posted by Mindship
Besides, we have some KMC members much more versed in biology and brain functioning than I am. Maybe they can elucidate the serotonin relationship better (or discount it, if I'm remembering this incorrectly).

stuff from the 60s-70s seems to confirm what you are saying about LSD and serotonin (dopamine also)

LSD research stopped then. THEY wont let you do it anymore. and there are lots of ethical issues.

However, I'm not sure about the dream stuff.

LSD certainly effects Serotonin receptors. The mechanism behind this creating hallucinations however is unknown.

Originally posted by Mindship
This is going back a number of years. The textbooks and notes I had have long since been discarded. But I do remember this pretty clearly, because after a whole year of psychopharm with legal substances, the whole class lit up with the last chapter involving controlled substances. Off-hand, I'd say a little google research with key words serotonin, dreaming, inhibitor neurons, lsd/hallucinagins should get you the info you're looking for.

That aside, I'm intrigued by what you may have in mind.

There's a folkloric tradition against sending matter through time but it rarely applies to information (especially in the form of dreams). I have a plot in progress that involves a magitech/arthurian world and a number of other factors. Hiding a message in waking dreams like a steganographic picture in a picture is a nice way to hide information for virtually any culture.

Found something:
http://books.google.com/books?id=xbe_hbj-GRwC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77& amp;dq=inhibitory+neurons,+waking+dreams,+lsd,+ser
otonin&source=web&ots=_qWuugLbgc&sig=HDpvRNXrUhCocglsw83IGqm0cos&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA77,M1
Paraphrased- serotonin inhibits dreaming, LSD inhibits serotonin leading to hallucinations -- in effect, waking dreams.

It would take a bit of rubber science (or just out right "they used magic" to justify but it has some basis.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There's a folkloric tradition against sending matter through time but it rarely applies to information (especially in the form of dreams). I have a plot in progress that involves a magitech/arthurian world and a number of other factors. Hiding a message in waking dreams like a steganographic picture in a picture is a nice way to hide information for virtually any culture. You could do some pretty cool stuff with that idea, especially depending on the information that would be hidden.

Originally posted by King Kandy
LSD certainly effects Serotonin receptors. The mechanism behind this creating hallucinations however is unknown.

just found a 50+ page article that talks about this stuff

Nichols D. (2004) Hallucinogens. Pharmacology & Theraputics, 101, 131-181.

Generally, it is saying thalamocortical (from the thalamus to the neo-cortex) seretonin release drives the hallucinations. I'm not sure if that means much to you, doesn't really to me lol, but I haven't had a chance to go through it.

I would totally suggest against focus on hallucinations though, as I've done lots of acid and do not hallucinate in the way people normally conceptualize it (like, walls melting or things walking around). This may also be related to a) depression or b) the fact I don't dream

the mechanisms behind dreams, however, are REALLY unknown

EDIT: pubmed link
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14761703?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

EDIT 2: another good link
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17270739?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=3&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed

Well of course, it seems that heavy hallucinations are mainly a newbie phenomenon and that generally the trips get substantially more introspective after some experience is gained. I believe there was some study that showed LSD was less effective on those with depression. I know that it does have a lessened effect on those taking antidepressants, at least.

Originally posted by King Kandy
...and that generally the trips get substantially more introspective after some experience is gained.

I know one thing I liked drinkin grolsh and oj during those 8-12 hour periods..lol...and umm I never did that stuff u guys r talkin about..ahem jus for the record..lol..oh and dont let anyone hold up a geiger painting and tell you how evil it is over and over all night long...lol.. you will have a bad trip

Originally posted by Mindship
I agree. Dreams can tell you what you might be suppressing also, or what you may not be seeing in your waking life. They can be your emotions symbolized as characters or symbols. Dreams are really cool. I enjoy and try to learn from mine.

I used to keep a dream journal at one time.

So far I can't dream anymore. Oh well, was cool while it lasted.