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Have you found any?

From "Terminator" part 1 all the way through part 3, to the "Sarah Conner Chronicles" tv show and the new "Terminato:r Salvation" movies?

Name some..

In Terminator 3, Arnie magically knew where to find the keys in the pickup truck early on (something he learned in Terminator 2).
Obviously this is a completely different Terminator, there is no way he could have known that, and realistically should have hot wired the car.

Originally posted by vvvrulz
In Terminator 3, Arnie magically knew where to find the keys in the pickup truck early on (something he learned in Terminator 2).
Obviously this is a completely different Terminator, there is no way he could have known that, and realistically should have hot wired the car.

Yeah that does bug me, as do many things with T3. Glad to see you posting vvvrulz

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Have you found any?

From "Terminator" part 1 all the way through part 3, to the "Sarah Conner Chronicles" tv show and the new "Terminator: Salvation" movies?

Name some...

I would say that the most significant inconsistency across the films is the issue of John Connor's age. According to the T-1000's stolen police car screen, John was 10 during the events of "T2" (placing that movie in 1995); however, in his monologue at the beginning of "T3", John instead claimed that he was 13 at that time.

Even if the police car readout was incorrect, John couldn't possibly have been 13 in "T2", as this would've placed the movie in 1998 - one year after (the original) Judgement Day! Oops ...

It never ceases to amaze me how script writes make such screw ups. That one is just blatant!

Originally posted by vvvrulz
In Terminator 3, Arnie magically knew where to find the keys in the pickup truck early on (something he learned in Terminator 2).
Obviously this is a completely different Terminator, there is no way he could have known that, and realistically should have hot wired the car.

I reckon the only reason they put that scene into the movie was to pay tribute to T2. They most probably knew they were screwing with a consistency issue but they thought, "hey, why don't we just add it in, just to remind people of T2!".

problem with the dates
John is born in 1985, T2 takes place in 1995 where john is 10 T3 takes place in 2004 john is 19, (in T3 john says he was 13 in T2) then along comes TSCC its 1999 and John is 16 or 17? what happened there? and sarah is still alive but she supposedly died in 1997 after judgment day didn't happen. Time travel messes alot of stuff up.
One thing they got right was in TSCC when they jumped ahead 8 years they had been missing for those 8 years there was no duplicate of them made when they jumped (like Back to the futre part II)
In T3 with the keys John could of reprogramed it with his memories? but he was also dead so that isn't possible (and i've gone cross eyed.)
I don't understand how the writers can't watch the previous movies so this doesn't happen? or even the directors should know what they are making, i guess the actors involved are not that into it otherwise i would hope they would say something.

Originally posted by darthmaul1
problem with the dates
John is born in 1985, T2 takes place in 1995 where john is 10 T3 takes place in 2004 john is 19, (in T3 john says he was 13 in T2) then along comes TSCC its 1999 and John is 16 or 17? what happened there? and sarah is still alive but she supposedly died in 1997 after judgment day didn't happen. Time travel messes alot of stuff up.
One thing they got right was in TSCC when they jumped ahead 8 years they had been missing for those 8 years there was no duplicate of them made when they jumped (like Back to the futre part II)
In T3 with the keys John could of reprogramed it with his memories? but he was also dead so that isn't possible (and i've gone cross eyed.)
I don't understand how the writers can't watch the previous movies so this doesn't happen? or even the directors should know what they are making, i guess the actors involved are not that into it otherwise i would hope they would say something.

Yeah this seems to be one of the big problems with Terminator 3

Originally posted by barand1
Yeah this seems to be one of the big problems with Terminator 3

Terminator 3 as a whole was a big problem

In Terminator 2 Judgment Day, Everyone always seems to think that John Connor was portayed as a 10 year old boy in the film. This is not neccesarily so at all. Even on wikipiedia which really upsets me, becasue this is an incorrect and assumption which was completely looked over too quickly. Somebody jumped the gun on that assesment.
If you want to to use a 5 second shot of a computer screen in a police car to prove that John Connor is supposed to be portrayed as a 10 year old then at least do your homework on the subject!. When someone commits a crime, their name is recorded into the police system, also their age at the time the crime was commited, Address, Height, Weight, ect,ect. Now if you want to get technical, in the movie T2: Judgment Day. The computer screen in the police cruiser says "Vandalism", it also says "Age: 10". Has anyone ever thought that may only be his age at the time of the incident??? He rides a Dirtbike around, Plays Intense combat simulation arcade games, and is smart enough to hack into an ATM machine for "easy money". I seriously doubt he'd be wasting his time vandalising at his age, which obviously IS NOT 10. Also regarding Police Enforcement records, when it comes to your actuall age they simply only record your Date of Birth. They do not keep a constant running count of everybody's current age filed away in the system, that's just rediculous and would be a waste. Also if he just committed an act of vandalism at age 10 (and it's pretty hard to imagine anyone younger than 10 vandalising) and if he was still 10 in the film, that would mean he just recently got caught vandalising. And if he just recently got in trouble with the police he would probably be grounded or something in the film and I doubt his foster parents would be letting him go a month without cleaning his room, having a friend over listening to music, riding his dirtbike and playing arcades. Also right after the T-1000 accesses John's criminal record, he goes to John's house where he meets his foster parents is asked "What's he done now officer?" implying that john has been in trouble with the law in the PAST, but not neccisarily recently.

John states in Terminator 3 that he was 13 when the events of T2 happened. This is wrong as Terminator 2 is set in the year 1995 (I believe) and therefore makes John to be aged 10. The writers obviously thought that T2 was set in the year of the film being released, which would indeed make John 13 in T2.

Is there any reference in T2 of the film being set in 1995?

John Connor is supposed to be aged 19 in Terminator 3, according to his DOB and the date T3 is set.

Nothing hard core stating that it was set in 1995, but according to the police computer in T2 John was born in 1985 and had some criminal charges where the last one is 1993 so if john was 13 in T2 according to T3 the year would be 1998 and judgment day would of happened already
Also according to T3 Sarah died in 1997 just after judgement day was suppose to happen. so should be 2 years after T2 taking place in 1995

Hey Johnathan Resse, i think there maybe a little flaw with your train of thought. If you go with the age at the time of the crime, then the last one was 1993 and he couldn't be 10 , he would be 8 since he was born in 1985 according to the police computer and according to T1 which took place in May 1984 therefore John would be born in the beginning of 1985.

Barand1 said
"The writers obviously thought that T2 was set in the year of the film being released, which would indeed make John 13 in T2."
I am trying to rap my head around this without going crosseyed.
John was born in feb 1985 so in T2 he would be approx 9-11 cause he couldn't be 12 as judgment day would of happened already. and if T3 took place in 2003 john would be 18
the actor in T2 that played john was 13 when the movie was released in 1991.

Originally posted by darthmaul1
Barand1 said
"The writers obviously thought that T2 was set in the year of the film being released, which would indeed make John 13 in T2."
I am trying to rap my head around this without going crosseyed.
John was born in feb 1985 so in T2 he would be approx 9-11 cause he couldn't be 12 as judgment day would of happened already. and if T3 took place in 2003 john would be 18
the actor in T2 that played john was 13 when the movie was released in 1991.

What I meant was that maybe the writers of T3 thought that T2 was set in 1991 as that was when the film came out, therefore making Connor aged 13 when the events of T2 took place.

2004 - 1991 = 13.

Originally posted by barand1
What I meant was that maybe the writers of T3 thought that T2 was set in 1991 as that was when the film came out, therefore making Connor aged 13 when the events of T2 took place.

2004 - 1991 = 13.

Not trying to be a pain in the arse, but that math doesn't work either
if the writers had thought T2 took place in 1991 then that would make john 6 not 13
Yes 2004-1991 =13 but that is 13 years back from 2004 it doesn't make john 13 years old.

to be 13 in 1991 john would have to be born in 1978
to be 13 in 1995 john would have to be born in 1982

I think the writers just goofed
Here a a few timeline things taken from movies and comics(i think)
http://www.terminatorfiles.com/saga_timeline.htm
http://www.terminatorfiles.com/news/2009/2009-03-29-a.htm

I know it doesn't add up. What I'm trying to say is that the writers probably worked from T2 (as T3 proves) and worked from that date.

Everyone is always talking about T2 and at the time it was the biggest film. People tend to slightly foget about T1. The writers f***ed up.

The whole concept of time ended by part 2. Part ones whole theme was that nothing really changes, everything that happened with kyle was supposed to, nothing changed. In part 2 and 3 the concept that time can be changed( personally I think that weakened the franchise story) came into play. This creates an infinite loop of inconsistency and time paradoxes. Part one had the story right, 2 (as great as it was) began to sloppy everything up.

Only one I have that hasn't been said (I think it hasn't been said) was that in T3 John Conner explains how Terminators have tried to kill him twice before (once though his mother in T1 and T2). Yet TSCC takes place between T2 and T3, so they have sent Terminators at him more than twice before T3. I'm not sure if they cleared his up since I stopped watching TSCC after about 5 episodes, but at that time it didn't make sense with what was said in T3.

Originally posted by Myth
Only one I have that hasn't been said (I think it hasn't been said) was that in T3 John Conner explains how Terminators have tried to kill him twice before (once though his mother in T1 and T2). Yet TSCC takes place between T2 and T3, so they have sent Terminators at him more than twice before T3. I'm not sure if they cleared his up since I stopped watching TSCC after about 5 episodes, but at that time it didn't make sense with what was said in T3.

There is that plus TSCC starts of in 1999 when sarah is suppose to be dead and John is 17 or 18 when he should only be 14

The Sarah Connor Chronicles, according to the producers of the show are not taking T3 into account. They are completely disregarding it.

So there will be inconsistencies.

You have to remember that the first two movies were never written as a complete triliogy, so there will be bound to have inconsistencies.

You could look at it as if the John Connor in T3 is in a different timeline than the John Connor in TSCC (and i've gone crosseyed)
Any way there will be no more inconsistancies with TSCC as it has been cancelled. No more Cameron in her underwear.

Originally posted by Ahnold
I would say that the most significant inconsistency across the films is the issue of John Connor's age. According to the T-1000's stolen police car screen, John was 10 during the events of "T2" (placing that movie in 1995); however, in his monologue at the beginning of "T3", John instead claimed that he was 13 at that time.

Even if the police car readout was incorrect, John couldn't possibly have been 13 in "T2", as this would've placed the movie in 1998 - one year after (the original) Judgement Day! Oops ... It's also said in T3 that the events of T2 happened when John was in 8th grade, that would make him 13 or 18, but T1 happened in May, placing John's birth in February, and T2 happens in Summer time (don't ask me how I know), so that would've made him 14.

Also, T3 shows Sarah's birth date as 1959, making her 24 in T1, even though she's 19, despite her being said to be 29 in T2 which happens 11 years after T1.

Also, T1's introduction says the final war happens in 1984. Of course that is not the case. Similarly, T2's intro only states 2 assassin's being sent back in time.

Another weird thing is why after 11 years after the events of T1, there is still just the original terminator as their only weapon? Surely they would've discovered and developed a hell of a lot quicker.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Another weird thing is why after 11 years after the events of T1, there is still just the original terminator as their only weapon? Surely they would've discovered and developed a hell of a lot quicker.

In T1 Skynet sent back the T-800 from the year 2029. In T2 John Connor sent back the T-800 from the year 2030, so it's not a 11 years really, only one. In that time Skynet develops the T-1000.

Originally posted by barand1
In T1 Skynet sent back the T-800 from the year 2029. In T2 John Connor sent back the T-800 from the year 2030, so it's not a 11 years really, only one. In that time Skynet develops the T-1000. Not what I meant.

Skynet started when the first Terminator was sent back in time, and Dyson has the hand and chip of the original Terminator.

11 years later, that's still all he has.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Not what I meant.

Skynet started when the first Terminator was sent back in time, and Dyson has the hand and chip of the original Terminator.

11 years later, that's still all he has.

The technology Skynet used was much more advanced than the technology Cyberdyne were using in the 80s/90s. Cyberdyne used reverse engineering, which can take time to process. To discover the unknown data and technology Cyberdyne would have had to analyse the structure, function and operation of the chip from T1.

"It was scary stuff, radically advanced. It was smashed... it didn't work. But it gave us ideas. It took us in new directions... things we would never have thought of. All my work is based on it." - Miles Dyson

Originally posted by barand1
The technology Skynet used was much more advanced than the technology Cyberdyne were using in the 80s/90s. Cyberdyne used reverse engineering, which can take time to process. To discover the unknown data and technology Cyberdyne would have had to analyse the structure, function and operation of the chip from T1.

"It was scary stuff, radically advanced. It was smashed... it didn't work. But it gave us ideas. It took us in new directions... things we would never have thought of. All my work is based on it." - Miles Dyson No replications, no prototypes? Come on. 11 years.

Originally posted by lord xyz
No replications, no prototypes? Come on. 11 years.

Well the answer is no, as nothing is mentioned. Replications and prototypes happened when CRS took over. Maybe Cyberdyne were just getting to grips with it before Cyberdyne was blown up.

Is the fact that Arnie appears as a cybernetic organism surrounded by living tissue in the first, second and third Terminator not an inconsistency? Think about it...

The Terminator is an infiltration unit, designed to "blend" in. How are five "Arnold" style Terminators meant to blend in??? Or 10 for that matter? Once Skynet releases an "Arnold" style Terminator, Skynet cannot really release another, the resistance would know about it. And when another Arnold Terminator does turn up after a group of resistance fighters have dusted a previous one, they'll just go "Look, it's that bloke with a dodgy foriegn accent. Terminator!"

I have thought this through, and Skynet would probably release a Terminator of the same model to different resistance camps. But why would it use the same looking Terminator to infiltrate these camps? Surely it would send a Cameron style Terminator to infiltrate one unit, a Cromartie style to infiltrate another. Etc etc. Therefore there should only be one of each looking Terminator, not 15 or so.

Just a thought.

Good question. I of course don't have a good enough answer (yet) but I guess it could of just been random that John had the CSM 101 captured and sent it back (T2). Maybe it was destiny?

As for T3, I guess another was captured and sent back in time because that's the model John would recognize.

I suppose Skynet just has it's terminators on mass produce and as we know, Skynet has it's flaw.

I think John has a conection to that terminator so maybe he picked it the arnie model and sent it back in T2 and in T3 it was the arnie model that killed john in the future cause skynet knew they would have an emotional connection, so katherine sent that terminator back to protect them.

The biggest inconsistency for me is the fact that in T1 its explained that only organic material can come through - that's why they come through naked.

But then how does a big hunk of metal like a T-800 come through? And if you can send some massive amount of metal through simply by covering it in a skin of organic material, why not send weapons through with the T-800? Then he could have his phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

Cameron makes a lame attempt to address with this exchange between Kyle and the doc:

Kyle Reese: You go naked. Something about the field generated by a living organism. Nothing dead will go.
Dr. Silberman: Why?
Kyle Reese: I didn't build the ****ing thing!
Dr. Silberman: Okay, okay. But this cyborg, if it's metal...
Kyle Reese: Surrounded by living tissue!

But even if we accept that - it still doesn't explain why the T-800 couldn't bring weapons with it the same way.

Good point deepstructure. Because presumably a "phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range" would be made out of metal. Why not just cover it in the same living tissue that the Terminators are surrounded by, right? You would think both things (Terminator and the rifle) would be made of similar material.