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Ok so Neiji vs Sasuke. This is during the chunin exam not part II. Kill or KO

*couldn't find it if already been done*

Man this is a close one. Edge to Sasuke imo.

Sasuke easily in my honest opinion...

Tooling Gaara is incredibly damn impressive at that point in the manga.

In part 1 Neji...

Lets take a look at speed for the first factor:
After the month of training, Sasuke's speed was comparable to Rock Lee's speed without weights. However, Neji is well versed in Rock Lee's speed type already and has always beaten him down (hence him not being impressed by his speed during Rock Lee Vs Gaara fight until the Gates, which sasuke cannot do). Attacking from different angles does virtually nothing due to byakugan.

Next, sasuke's trumph card, the Chidori at the time would hardly be usable considering it requires him to run in a straight line, at the time it was only usable because gaara was immobile and assumed that sasuke didnt have any way of penetrating his "ultimate defense".

Now comparitively, Neji's trumph cards are more or less unavoidable... particularly the spin, which the sharingan forsight can hardly account for

While Neji can handle the speed of Sasuke, Sasuke's Sharingan will still give him the advantage in terms of combat, he will be able to predict his every move.

(i posted this before) in the newest databook by kishi himself, neji's speed was the same as lee's.

this makes sense since lee can move faster than a lot of guy's, but neji always counters his ass (reinforcing lee's inferiority complex). neji's eyes pretty much make blitzing him useless since he has 360 degree telescopic vision, and the chackra is like glow in the dark to him.

and his rotation jutsu is nuts

Originally posted by NemeBro
While Neji can handle the speed of Sasuke, Sasuke's Sharingan will still give him the advantage in terms of combat, he will be able to predict his every move.

Sasuke's sharingan can predict nejis moves but particularly his heavenly spin, predicting it is no good... In addition to that, neji can release chakra from anypoint of his body, something the sharingan cant predict allowing him to parry and injure sasuke when he trys to strike

Sharingan can see chakra activity. So he might see it happen. before it does. And im pretty sure if KNO chakra punch can break thorugh. Then Sasuke chidori would rip through it

Neji

I'm still debating who the win goes to. Leaning towards neji.

Speed is equal if not more to neji due to not being impressed by lee's ridiculous speed when he used the gates. Also if sasuke was indeed faster I believe the byakugan will be able to compensate for unseen attacks.

CQC neji hands down. If he manages to get any chakra points on sasuke then goodbye sharingan and any chance to keep up with neji's movements. Sasuke might have chidori but I think it would take too much time to do that close

Long range attacks goes to Sasuke. This might be his only chance here but neji was able to shake off anything the sound guy was throwing at him with rotaion until he discovered the blind spot. Don't think sasuke has anything similar though that can get through like that.

I say neji 6/10

Originally posted by psycho gundam
(i posted this before) in the newest databook by kishi himself, neji's speed was the same as lee's.

With or without the weights?

If this is during the first part, Neji wins. Sasuke's sharigan hasn't developed enough yet to see chakra flow. And Neji's 360 spin is even more impenetrable than Gaara's sand and is not just hard to break through like Gaara's sand because it deflects attacks probably regardless of the speed because Neji's reactions are almost automatic to the motion sensed around a certain radius.

If this is during the second part, Sasuke is more likely to win. At this point Sasuke can probably see chakra flow, but he can't determine what type of jutsu being used like Neji's byakugan. The byakugan is something that sharigan can't mimick. Sasuke has gotten much faster, but I'm not quite sure if he would be able to penetrate Neji's defenses. Chidori would be useless because the wind from Neji's 360 spin would cancel it out. Although Neji can see the type of jutsu being used through the chakra flow, there was never any said defenses against genjutsu. So, Sasuke can play all through his nervous system.

well, since this is part 1, that means Sasuke has the lvl 1 curse mark to even things. without it though, Neji will win due to sending out chakra from any part of his body as mentioned earlier by Hannibel Lector

win goes to neji on this one...

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Sasuke's sharingan can predict nejis moves but particularly his heavenly spin, predicting it is no good... In addition to that, neji can release chakra from anypoint of his body, something the sharingan cant predict allowing him to parry and injure sasuke when he trys to strike

Neji would lose, Y?
'cos Sasuke would predict his spin, thus avoiding it by standing in away, then since all spins must come to an end... Sasuke's sharingan would predict Neji's final spin and get closer, then the exact moment Neji would stop spinning there would be an opening and Neji would be vulnerable, that's the time Sasuke would match with his chidori and KO.
Also Sasuke could easily burn Neji with one of Sasuke's fire jutsus(fire ball or dragon flame), Now you would say Neji would be protected but in truth he wouldn't, see his rotation would actually strengthen the flames thus creating a small fire hurricane, we all know Neji has a blind spot in his neck, he'd end up fried. And even if that's not the case, the flames would continue several seconds after Neji had finished his spinning, 'cos he would have been feeding them with his rotations, thus when he would end his spinning the flames would continue for inertia alone.
And also, with Sasuke's speed he would parry Neji's chakra because at that point Neji himself cannot produce a fast/long enough chakra string, and also since Sharingan allows mimicking jutsus then that means that Sharingan allows Sasuke to actually feel and adjust the chakra level, if it didn't then you could only mimic taijutsu moves with Sharingan which is incorrect.

That post did not make any sense. Please use better structure in your posts...


Even if Sasuke predicts his spin, it doesn't matter. If Sasuke isn't attacking, Neji isn't spinning. If Sasuke attacks, Neji spins. Thats the whole point of spinning. He doesn't just randomly spin cuz he feels like it.

Neji's spin doesn't use wind to block attacks. It is forcing chakra out from his body, and using it as a shield as he spins, effectively blocking any attack, including the fire jutsus.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
With or without the weights? i assume it's without since that's lee's true speed uninhibited, opening gates is an amp.

neji's speed seems to be more oriented to short range offense and defense, his trigrams 2 - 64 palm strikes add up to 126 hits to the opponent's chackra points, and he can do it pretty damn fast.

Well you answered so that proves it did make sense.
At the Graduating exam, when seeing Neji compete, Kakashi thinks: "I don't think even Sasuke is as strong as him"
A lot of things happened to Sasuke since then, curse mark,learned Chidori, barrage of lions, improved his speed by a lot. Neji didn't get anything.

Sasuke would faint a straight dash and "attack" as he did with Gaara, back then.Or launch kunais Uchiha style.

I know Neji's spin doesn't use wind to block attacks, it would be crazy to think he shields from attacks with wind.But the thing is, if you've ever done physics, a rotating action *creates* wind when spinning, so wind is an inevitable output.Remember that anytime Neji would spin,a round hole appears in the ground, have you ever seen that hole covered in dust after he's done his spin? No because he wipes it off with the centrifugal force his spin creates.

Also, the fire, having it's own characteristics, would probably give enough temperature to throw neji off his spins and burn him, here goes:
The fireball technique covers a much larger sector then Neji's spins does.Figure it in mind.
The fiery place of the fireball jutsu where the two techniques clash will be extinguished in favor to Neji.
Now since the fireball jutsu has a spherical shape, every single point can be it's center.Hence a pre-"eye" of the will-be vortex is created at the point of impact of the 2 jutsus.
The remaining fireball sector,having not being affected by Neji's chakra,would not be extinguished.It would beef up because of the spin,creates a route from the centrifugal force Neji's spin creates eventually ending up into a small vortex

Neji would have 5 choices: Keep up spinning. Dodging maneuver. Attacking maneuver. Stop. Jump.

1-He keeps up spinning, the temperature surrounding him keeps beefing up, he's toasted.*note that even if his chakra protects him form temperature he's gotta stop,he's spin is usually no more then a few sec.
2-He dodges: he takes a bit of burns(though minor) but is open to the adversary(Sasuke) when he lends form the dodge.
3-Through means of chakra release he opens an escape route, he is required to break his spinning in order to do so.He can come out of the vortex in a more ready stance, but he has got heavy burns.
4-I don't need to tell you what happens.
5-Since I've never seen Neji doing his spinning jutsu airborne, he'd be fried going all the way up without a "shield", and the become open to Sasuke's range techniques or Chidori.

Given the radius of Neji's spin, I really don't see how a katon jutsu can't dispersed before he stops. Neji knows better than anyone the weaknesses of his techniques, which would include the vortex aspect. If someone's throwing a fireball at him, he'll hold off from spinning right away so that he doesn't spread flames unnecessarily. He'd probably wait until he was sure the jutsu was within the area of effect and just disperse it with chakra, nullifying the "wind builds fire" situation.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/80/04/

In addition to what i stated before, Kakashi is reasonably sure that Sasuke has no chance

rock lee kept being beat by Neji because Lee wasnt using his speed. Remember the leg weights? Guy finally allowed him to take t hem off during the Exam. even Neji was amazed at how fast Lee was going. So.... Sasuke wins of course.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Given the radius of Neji's spin, I really don't see how a katon jutsu can't dispersed before he stops. Neji knows better than anyone the weaknesses of his techniques, which would include the vortex aspect. If someone's throwing a fireball at him, he'll hold off from spinning right away so that he doesn't spread flames unnecessarily. He'd probably wait until he was sure the jutsu was within the area of effect and just disperse it with chakra, nullifying the "wind builds fire" situation.

That's y I said Sasuke would come close and "taunt" Neji to make him spin THEN he'd perform his flame jutsu. And once the spinning has begun it's really tough/dangerous to stop midway.

It's dangerous 'cos stopping midway leaves you completely open for the fire jutsu itself, let alone the upcoming attack. Also one could easily damage it's spinal bone by stopping midway.And it's tough in order to prevent what I just said.

easily said many times in this thread, neji. There really is nothing sasuke can do, plain and simple. He can read his attacks but whats that going to do when he cant hit the person he is fighting. Neji's reactions are just to fast, and his trigram attacks would leave sasuke useless.

.... Imo anyone who things current Neji can take current Sasuke is dumb.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
.... Imo anyone who things current Neji can take current Sasuke is dumb.

Shhh, he obviously thinks that Sasuke is still 12.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Shhh, he obviously thinks that Sasuke is still 12.

Lol, you're probably right. To which i probably would agree... so long as it's pre-valley of the end.



But i think it's pretty much been established that the Sharingan is the most broken thing in Naruto. It's even better than the Rinnegan ffs

Originally posted by EvilAngel
But i think it's pretty much been established that the Sharingan is the most broken thing in Naruto. It's even better than the Rinnegan ffs
Maybe better than Nagato's Rinnegan, but don't forget the sage's rinnegan>ten tailed beast.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Maybe better than Nagato's Rinnegan, but don't forget the sage's rinnegan>ten tailed beast.

Eh, he's the guy that invented Ninjutsu.

Long story short, MS has more powers than the Rinnegan has displayed. So it doesn't mean much that the Sage was god-like in his powers/abilities, as they don't all seem to be entirely Rinnegan-related.

Too bad that the sage has been dead for too many centuries to verify what powers were rinnegan based...

Though if you have the rinnegan, you can theoretically use any jutsu you want.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Lol, you're probably right. To which i probably would agree... so long as it's pre-valley of the end.



But i think it's pretty much been established that the Sharingan is the most broken thing in Naruto. It's even better than the Rinnegan ffs

Sharingan (3 tomoe) is just overpowered imo. MS is just ridiculous on the other hand, EMS even more so. As far as we know, EMS has virtually no drawbacks whatsoever.

Pretty much my opinion exactly DP

Originally posted by King Kandy
Too bad that the sage has been dead for too many centuries to verify what powers were rinnegan based...

Though if you have the rinnegan, you can theoretically use any jutsu you want.

I can't think of any power it has whatsoever that would be good enough to beat Madara's display of powers.

Immortality
Time/Space evasion jutsu
Time/Space teleportation jutsu


Those 3 powers alone are just absurd. Who even wants to know what else Madara has cooped up his sleeve. Or had when he was at prime.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Pretty much my opinion exactly DP



I can't think of any power it has whatsoever that would be good enough to beat Madara's display of powers.

Immortality
Time/Space evasion jutsu
Time/Space teleportation jutsu


Those 3 powers alone are just absurd. Who even wants to know what else Madara has cooped up his sleeve. Or had when he was at prime.

Oh damn, this'll prolly turn into a Madara vs. Sage thread.

Couple of notes though EA, Madara's just long-lived. EMS doesn't grant immortality, it just grants "immortality" to his eyes, I think.

& second, Sage wins via hype . If he has the Juubi sealed in him, he'll have more power to dish out than anyone we've seen.

He was already stronger than the jyuubi, after sealing it his power could only have what, doubled?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I can't think of any power it has whatsoever that would be good enough to beat Madara's display of powers.

Immortality
Time/Space evasion jutsu
Time/Space teleportation jutsu


Those 3 powers alone are just absurd. Who even wants to know what else Madara has cooped up his sleeve. Or had when he was at prime. None of which were actually proven to be because of his EMS.

As a matter of fact, Madara pretty much states his apparent immortality is due to his powerful chakra.

Sage could not defeat the Juubi, he had to seal it in him dude, think the Fourth, who could not defeat the Kyuubi, so sealed it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He was already stronger than the jyuubi, after sealing it his power could only have what, doubled?

Sealing a being doesn't necessarily mean he was more powerful than said being. Nemebro's example applies.

No human, under their own power, is more powerful than the tailed beasts (or rather, THE tailed beast), not even the Sage.