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Me? I say Sabbath. Paranoid is one hell of an album.

LZ is heavy in their own right, too, but Iommi's guitar blows Page's out of the water, if you ask me.

Iommi's great no doubt but is he better n' Page? **** no!

oh and the first metal band by todays standards was Deep Purple

Ritchie Blackmore's guitar, while awesome, cannot overcome Iommi.

I don't really think any of the 3 were the first metal band, just the main influences behind the genre. I mean if they're metal bands, you could say the Jimi Hendrix Experience and The Who were, a times at least, metal bands, really, since a lot of their work had similar qualities (with Led Zep and Deep Purple the most). Not to mention The Kink's "You Really Got Me" from 1964, that was also an influence on the sound of metal music.

I think out of the 3 though, Sabbath is probably the closest to the metal music sound we know, but that doesn't make them the overall first, just one of the primary innovators of the sound of it.

Personally, if I really had to name one to be the very first 'metal' band, Steppenwolf get my vote. Their debut came out in 1968 and I think they even coin the phrase 'heavy metal' in "Born To Be Wild".

Led Zeppelin is NOT metal.
And so is Deep Purple.

Steppenwolf and Black Sabbath were the true pioneers of Metal.

But the ones who introduced really HEAVY Metal was Judas Priest.

Black Sabbath.

First band to really use that guitar sound, and the tritone I believe.

-AC

Black Sabbath all the way for me, amazing.

I have nearly all their albums on record/vinyl from the 70s thanks to my parents, wonderful.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Black Sabbath.

First band to really use that guitar sound, and the tritone I believe.

-AC

The Kinks are credited with the first heavy metal record.

You Really Got Me?

Originally posted by Breast Feeder
The Kinks are credited with the first heavy metal record.
They sounded more like hard rock than metal to me.

The first Heavy Metal band ever is Black Sabbath.

LZ are considered Hard Rock, not metal.

Jimmy Page and Toni Iommi hmm Both are good, couldn't choose.

i gotta go with Sabbath.

As for between Iommi and Page,I think their about equal when it comes to playability,but I would say that Tony created more catchy riffs.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Led Zeppelin is NOT metal.
And so is Deep Purple.

Steppenwolf and Black Sabbath were the true pioneers of Metal.

But the ones who introduced really HEAVY Metal was Judas Priest.

As you know I'm a giant fan of Judas Priest, and they're one of my favorite bands, but they're not counted to be the first heavy metal band, that's Black Sabbath.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Led Zeppelin is NOT metal.
And so is Deep Purple.

Steppenwolf and Black Sabbath were the true pioneers of Metal.

But the ones who introduced really HEAVY Metal was Judas Priest.
Judas Priest is by no stretch of the imagination the first heavy metal band. They weren't considered to be part of the 'NEW wave of British Heavy Metal' for nothing.

I'd consider Sabbath to be the first heavy metal BAND. Bands like the Beatles (Helter Skelter), or the Kinks ( You Really Got Me) released some pretty heavy tracks for that time, but I wouldn't say they're heavy meta bands. Blue Cheer could be a contender for the title as well though.

Originally posted by Slay
Judas Priest is by no stretch of the imagination the first heavy metal band. They weren't considered to be part of the 'NEW wave of British Heavy Metal' for nothing.

I'd consider Sabbath to be the first heavy metal BAND. Bands like the Beatles (Helter Skelter), or the Kinks ( You Really Got Me) released some pretty heavy tracks for that time, but I wouldn't say they're heavy meta bands. Blue Cheer could be a contender for the title as well though.
Did I say Judas Priest was the first heavy metal band?

Read before you post.

Judas Priest made metal heavier than it already was.

Sabbath, Priest and Purple definitely had the riffs, bass and drums for what could be considered the blueprints for metal as did Zeppelin and to some extent so did the Kinks - for me You Really Got Me is one of the first metal song prototypes (flame away) but it had everything; the solo, the breakdowns and even the howls of Ray Davies could be attributed to an early forerunner for peeps like Gillan, Halford, Dickinson, Osbourne and pretty much every singer with a broad range of notes that's come out of the woodwork since.

However if you want to see where more conventional metal came from i.e. harsh vocals - and I don't mean just cookie monster growls a la Cannibal Corpse & Deicide etc but everything from Metallica's James Hetfield to Celtic Frost's Thomas Gabriel Fischer than look no further than Motorhead or Venom. (Even though Lemmy considers Motorhead Rock 'n' Roll)

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Originally posted by wicker_man

However if you want to see where more conventional metal came from i.e. harsh vocals - and I don't mean just cookie monster growls a la Cannibal Corpse & Deicide etc but everything from Metallica's James Hetfield to Celtic Frost's Thomas Gabriel Fischer than look no further than Motorhead or Venom. (Even though Lemmy considers Motorhead Rock 'n' Roll)
Motorhead is hard rock, just like contemporary bands like System Of A Down.

John Lennon said that "Ticket To Ride" was the first metal song. So The Beatles started the genre.

Originally posted by Jim Colyer
John Lennon said that "Ticket To Ride" was the first metal song. So The Beatles started the genre.

And he also said the Beatles are bigger than Jesus, but somehow I don't see this in todays society. After having listeined to 'Ticket To Ride' I still stand by my original statement that metal owes more to the Kinks 'You Really Got Me'.

Originally posted by Jim Colyer
John Lennon said that "Ticket To Ride" was the first metal song. So The Beatles started the genre.

Of course anyone who's bothered to listen to the song will realise he was talking absolute balls (as he almost always did)

Ok, LZ are credited with the first "metal riff" .
wanton song, Physical graffiti.

But they've also shown significant "metal themed" work in some of their other stuff.
Stuff like ; Custard pie, Sick again. both from that album.
Songs like Bring it on home with that heavy guitar riff mixed with the harmonica may be heavy for the day and sure, they influenced metal but it's not metal.

Black sabbath on the otherhand.... BLACK SABBATH...most metal name there is.
Most metal band there is.

Oh and page is better than that other guy.

Originally posted by Impediment

Iommi's guitar blows Page's out of the water, if you ask me.


You're insane

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
You're insane

Apples and oranges, sir.

In my opinion Black Sabbath was the first band to write songs that had little to none blues influence. Sure Black Sabbath has obvious blues influences but listen to tracks like Symptom of The Universe or Into the Void, you'll clearly see that that is harder and faster than anything played at the time. They were the first to create HARD rock, Metal - as some people call it. Iomi was the first to down-tune his guitar and use scales that people associated with Satan himself.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
You're insane

In terms of who was better Page or Iomi... I'd say Iomi. He played guitar like a f*cking demon, just try to play an Iomi solo. Plus he was a great innovator, C# tuning, low bass distortion, demonic scales unheard in rock at the time. It's not insane to think Iomi is better, becuase if he was not #1 during those days, he was definately # 2.

Originally posted by Blinky
In my opinion Black Sabbath was the first band to write songs that had little to none blues influence. Sure Black Sabbath has obvious blues influences but listen to tracks like Symptom of The Universe or Into the Void, you'll clearly see that that is harder and faster than anything played at the time. They were the first to create HARD rock, Metal - as some people call it. Iomi was the first to down-tune his guitar and use scales that people associated with Satan himself.



In terms of who was better Page or Iomi... I'd say Iomi. He played guitar like a f*cking demon, just try to play an Iomi solo. Plus he was a great innovator, C# tuning, low bass distortion, demonic scales unheard in rock at the time. It's not insane to think Iomi is better, becuase if he was not #1 during those days, he was definately # 2.

I guess it is apples and oranges but i just can't see how anyone can believe that Iomi was more innovative than Page. Have you heard Led Zeppelin just fookin with ya but yeah, Page is definitely the man here.

I think Black, Purple and Led are all the first. They all formed in '68, so I will have to say all 3 of them.

Like a trio of metal bands. Led Zeppelin though, are more like their own genre, if you ask me.

Jimmy page hates bidoofs. Iommi loves bidoofs. Do the math, bidoofs are through the roof.

Isn't Helter Skelter considered the first metal song? Wouldn't that make the Beatles the first metal band?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Isn't Helter Skelter considered the first metal song? Wouldn't that make the Beatles the first metal band? Should be first metal album.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Isn't Helter Skelter considered the first metal song? Wouldn't that make the Beatles the first metal band?

This isn't another case of John Lennon saying so is it?

Anyways you only have to listein to Sabbath to see their pivotal position in the birth of metal.

John wouldn't since Paul wrote the song.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
John wouldn't since Paul wrote the song.

That does suprise me, no wait it doesn't.
I stand by my original statement listein and compare both self titles and it would be evident which one is owed more homage to laying the foundations of the metal genre.

Led Zeppelin is the first.

They released "Led Zepellin" before Black Sabbath released "Black Sabbath".

Both are heavy metal albums, but Led Zeppelin came first.

So, problem solved, right?

Led Zeppelin laid the foundation for heavier music, Sabbath created metal.

-AC

A few bands earlier than both could be argued to have done Heavy Metal music before both, like Iron Butterfly, but between both Black Sabbath are probably more relevant to the current genre of Heavy Metal, although Judas Priest are largely responsible for discarding much of the genre's Blues influence.

I'm not sure that muting the bass drum with a towel makes you metal. I Need You was more or less the first mainstream use of a wah-wah pedal. Does that make the Beatles the first funk band?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
I'm not sure that muting the bass drum with a towel makes you metal. I Need You was more or less the first mainstream use of a wah-wah pedal. Does that make the Beatles the first funk band?

Muted bass drums? Where'd that come from? Trying to be funny ?

I thought Ticket to Ride was the first documented case of a band stuffing towels in their bass drum to created a muted, heavier sound. That, and a droning bass are the only things that stylistically separate Ticket to Ride from everything else on HELP!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Led Zeppelin laid the foundation for heavier music, Sabbath created metal.

-AC Well then.

Mix them together, you get heavy metal.

Metal is heavy metal.

It's a shortened term for the genre of heavy metal. Metal, by definition, is heavy.

-AC

Wait, so what the hell is Led Zeppelin, "heavy rock"?