Scimitar vs Executor

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Darth Truculent
One of the most powerful Star Trek ships vs one of the most powerful warships in the Empire. Who wins?

Lord Lucien
Can someone provide some details on the Scimitar? Preferably before this is closed.

Darth Truculent
Scimitar:

Length: 890 meters
Beam: 1350 meters
Speed: At least Warp 9.7
Armament: 52 pulse disruptor cannons;
27 photon torpedo launchers;
thalaron radiation emitters
Defenses: Primary and secondary shields;
*advanced cloaking device (considered "perfect"wink

Lord Lucien
Doing 40 seconds of research I came to this conclusion:

Worf (I think) said that it would take the entire payload of photon torpedoes on the Enterprise to destroy an asteroid (of unknown size to me). 250 photon torpedoes on board.


Imperial-class Destroyers were blasting asteroids apart like burst bubbles. In some comic I think it was, three ISSs emerged from hyperspace and slammed right in to the Executor. They were all vaporized.


...

Yeah.

MadMel
...thats one helluva ship stick out tongue

Axle
Yeah, Executor wins. The Scimatar was definitely one of the most dangerous ships in Trekverse, but wouldn't be able to stand up against the firepower of the Executor.

Axle
Sorry, 'Scimitar', not 'Scimatar'.

cherrypieluva50
Doing 10 seconds of research, all based off of luciens post,

Executor FTW

Darth_Glentract
Hit up stardestroyer.net

Star Wars ships RAPE all Star Trek ones.

Samurai100
Definetly Executor

Doctor-Alvis
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Doing 40 seconds of research I came to this conclusion:

Worf (I think) said that it would take the entire payload of photon torpedoes on the Enterprise to destroy an asteroid (of unknown size to me). 250 photon torpedoes on board.


Imperial-class Destroyers were blasting asteroids apart like burst bubbles. In some comic I think it was, three ISSs emerged from hyperspace and slammed right in to the Executor. They were all vaporized.


...

Yeah.
I think you're thinking of when Riker said something similar in The Pegasus. The only reason they couldn't blast apart the asteroid that episode is because it would have negated the entire episode. It's like why doesn't Flash cold cock all his enemies the split second their image hits his eye

Lord Lucien
Well whatever the writer's reasons for giving that bit of information, it holds.

Red Nemesis
I'm going with Trek here. This is the Romulan win button, isn't it? The one where their missiles killed time or something? This word was the reason I gave up the thread in the Trek forum.

Yeah. The Executor is outranged, outgunned (?) and outmaneuvered. erm

Lord Lucien
That ship can do THAT? Well f*ck that then. A ship that can kill time beats everything.

jaden101
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I'm going with Trek here. This is the Romulan win button, isn't it? The one where their missiles killed time or something? This word was the reason I gave up the thread in the Trek forum.

Yeah. The Executor is outranged, outgunned (?) and outmaneuvered. erm

Out ranged yes. But I think you're thinking of the Krenim timeship. The Scimitar is the one with the radiation weapon that can wipe out planets but it takes 7 minutes to deploy it.

I think the Executor has enough turbolasers to blast out in all directions to get a hit on the cloak/shields or the Scimitar in order to find it. Although all the Scimitar needs to do is keep moving while cloaked and while charging up the weapon then fire it while still cloaked.

Depends on whether the Executor can find/hit, track and then fire all it's weapons on the Scimitar to destroy it before it fires the Thaleron weapon.

Red Nemesis
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Krenim_weapon_ship

This was it.

Instead, look at this:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Scimitar

This is the information for the on topicness.

But more importantly: omfg timegun.

Lord Lucien
Dude. A time-gun. I gotta start getting in to Star Trek.

But anyhoo. The problem for the Executor will be finding the Scimitar. I don't think they ever tell us exactly how Star Wars sensors operate. I've never heard of them tracking tachyons or "residual anti-protons" so there's no way of telling if they can or can't find them. If it does find them though, the Executor will win.

Red Nemesis
We do know that 'wars has cloaking devices ("No ship that small has a cloaking device!"wink. Surely they've developed some sort of countermeasure.

Doctor-Alvis
I remember asking about them, or reading about them, and they worked both ways. You couldn't see the ship but the ship couldn't see out. I don't know if that has has changed or if I just have bad information in my head.

Ms.Marvel
i remember that i think it was in the thrawn duology?

Autokrat
Scimitar attempts to cloak and thus violates the second law of thermodynamics and is destroyed.

no expression

Ms.Marvel
stfu

Autokrat
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
stfu

sad

Ms.Marvel
love you <3

Slash_KMC
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
love you <3

hey!

Autokrat
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
hey!

Ha!

Slash_KMC
Originally posted by Autokrat
Ha!

Damnit...

Red Nemesis
nah

Slash_KMC
yeh

Red Nemesis
nah

chilled monkey
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
We do know that 'wars has cloaking devices ("No ship that small has a cloaking device!"wink. Surely they've developed some sort of countermeasure.

It wouldn't help even if they had. The Scimitar possessed an advanced cloaking device. Geordi stated that none of the usual anti-cloaking countermeasures (e.g. residual anti-protons) were any use against it.

The only way they were able to locate the Scimitar was that the Reman Viceroy had made a psychic connection to Troi which she was able to use to sense his location allowing the Enterprise to score enough hits to disable the cloak.

Red Nemesis
None of the usual Trek countermeasures. 'Wars may have an entirely different system. Hell, we don't know what sensors the Empire has, let alone how they deal with an unseen ship.

mattatom
Ram it.

chilled monkey
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
None of the usual Trek countermeasures. 'Wars may have an entirely different system. Hell, we don't know what sensors the Empire has, let alone how they deal with an unseen ship.

Good point.

Jedireaper
The ship cloaks and is firing on a fully shielded and battle ready Star Destroyer. It would fill space with it's fighters and scan for impacts of ot' fighters crashing into the cloaked ship. And would fire all its lasers at the space where the ship would be

Lord Lucien
Yeah the cloaking thing has become moot here. Clash of the non-existent technologies make this hard.

Slash_KMC
Originally posted by mattatom
Ram it.

wut she sed

mattatom
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
wut she sed thumb up

Darth Truculent
If the Trek ship engaged the Executor without it's cloak, would the Executor be able to pentrate primary and secondary shields much less it's armor? A Quantum torpedo didn't have the punching power to pierce it's shields. What's the yield of a Wars warship? Turbolasers vs Disruptors?

Lord Lucien
If the statistics Stardestroyer.net listed are accurate, and if the Scimitar isn't a God-machine compared to the Enterprise, then it's doubtful the shielding and firepower of the Trek ship would stand up against the Executor, or even lesser 'Wars ships.


Now a Time Cannon on the other hand...

Budada
The problem with some people is that they pick ships which vary from power and size by a great gap. The Scimitar simply can't beat the Executor. It's not only too powerless, but much smaller.

A Narada vs. Executor thread (or at least a BORG vs. Executor thread) would be at least more balanced.

Lord Lucien
The Borg are always tricky to use. And I've never gotten a straight answer out of someone as to A.) Just how much energy can Borg adapt to? B.) How long does that adaptation last? and C.) To how many drones/cubes etc. does a single instance of adaption apply to?

MasterAshenVor
Revan Solos.

playa1258
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Doing 40 seconds of research I came to this conclusion:

Worf (I think) said that it would take the entire payload of photon torpedoes on the Enterprise to destroy an asteroid (of unknown size to me). 250 photon torpedoes on board.


Imperial-class Destroyers were blasting asteroids apart like burst bubbles. In some comic I think it was, three ISSs emerged from hyperspace and slammed right in to the Executor. They were all vaporized.


...

Yeah. That was just one episode. You also have ships destroying the surface of a planet in seconds. From The Die is cast

playa1258
Stardestroyer.net is a rabid fanboy site that should not be take seriously.

You have idiots over there who believe Han Solo and Chewbecca can beat a Q.

Jedi can beat Superman and other moronic stuff.

Stardestroyer.net is a laughing stock when it comes to battle boards

mattatom
Originally posted by playa1258
Stardestroyer.net is a rabid fanboy site that should not be take seriously.

You have idiots over there who believe Han Solo and Chewbecca can beat a Q.

Jedi can beat Superman and other moronic stuff.

Stardestroyer.net is a laughing stock when it comes to battle boards Han can beat anyone, if he doesn't. The battle will be endless.

Autokrat
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The Borg are always tricky to use. And I've never gotten a straight answer out of someone as to A.) Just how much energy can Borg adapt to? B.) How long does that adaptation last? and C.) To how many drones/cubes etc. does a single instance of adaption apply to?

Millions of cubes, billions of drones.

Lord Lucien
That... that didn't really help, man.

Autokrat
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
That... that didn't really help, man.

I thought it was one of your questions. How many cubes and drones were there.

Of course, rereading it again I realized I misunderstood.

1. If one Borg adapts to something, the entire collective adapts to it.

2. The adaptation is permanent.

3. The amount of energy effects how hard it is to adapt. The more powerful the weapon, the more difficult to adapt to.

Red Nemesis
Originally posted by playa1258
Stardestroyer.net is a rabid fanboy site that should not be take seriously.

You have idiots over there who believe Han Solo and Chewbecca can beat a Q.

Jedi can beat Superman and other moronic stuff.

Stardestroyer.net is a laughing stock when it comes to battle boards

No one here cares even a little bit about the boards. We are citing the scholarship of Mr. Wong.

If you feel capable enough to challenge his equations then please do; appeals based purely in ethos will be ignored as fallacious in this instance.

BoratBorat
Galen marek wins.

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by Autokrat
I thought it was one of your questions. How many cubes and drones were there.

Of course, rereading it again I realized I misunderstood.

1. If one Borg adapts to something, the entire collective adapts to it.

2. The adaptation is permanent.

3. The amount of energy effects how hard it is to adapt. The more powerful the weapon, the more difficult to adapt to. I haven't seen enough Star Trek to really know, but: I've seen like, two drones being taken out with phasers, and the drone next to them adapted to it. But later on, more drones were taken out by phasers. Unless everybody whoever engages the Borg catalogues every weapon's energy output, and then ups the output of every phaser in the Federation to match the adaptation-level... it makes no sense whatsoever for the entire Collective to adapt to every amount of energy thrown at them--how could they be killed after that, the Federation can only make their weapons so powerful.


I always figured that the drones of like, one group or squad, or whatever adapted.



Still doesn't answer as to just how much one drone or one cube CAN adapt to.

Autokrat
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I haven't seen enough Star Trek to really know, but: I've seen like, two drones being taken out with phasers, and the drone next to them adapted to it. But later on, more drones were taken out by phasers. Unless everybody whoever engages the Borg catalogues every weapon's energy output, and then ups the output of every phaser in the Federation to match the adaptation-level... it makes no sense whatsoever for the entire Collective to adapt to every amount of energy thrown at them--how could they be killed after that, the Federation can only make their weapons so powerful.


I always figured that the drones of like, one group or squad, or whatever adapted.



Still doesn't answer as to just how much one drone or one cube CAN adapt to.

Phasers can be moduled to a different frequency, every time that happens the Borg have to adapt again. The more times the phaser is changed to a different frequency the quicker the Borg adapt.

Its somewhat convoluted. Especially since script writers changed their minds several times on how adaptation works.

Lord Lucien
I hate inconsistency. So, as long as the phaser is a different frequency, it'll hurt the Borg (until they adapt)? Does that mean they can switch to a lower one later on, after it wears off or something? Because eventually the Borg would adapt to the highest output and then the Federation would be screwed.

Autokrat
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I hate inconsistency. So, as long as the phaser is a different frequency, it'll hurt the Borg (until they adapt)? Does that mean they can switch to a lower one later on, after it wears off or something? Because eventually the Borg would adapt to the highest output and then the Federation would be screwed.

Once the Borg adapt to a frequency, that frequency is forever useless. Its just that the frequency change has been used as a plot device so many times that it appears Federation phasers are incredibly versatile.

And then in the Enterprise show, they just made the phasers more powerful and that was good enough to temporary overload the borg's adaptation.

Red Nemesis
Frequency of phaser fire != power of phaser fire. I think.

playa1258
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
No one here cares even a little bit about the boards. We are citing the scholarship of Mr. Wong.

If you feel capable enough to challenge his equations then please do; appeals based purely in ethos will be ignored as fallacious in this instance.

Yeah whatever. Wong and his Jizz Slurpers worships the ICS which is a load of crap .

In AOTC Slave 1 Fires its main guns at Obi-wan and the blast was no more powerful than a stick of dynamite.

Answer this, Do you believe a Jedi such as Obi-wan who has a hard time with a normal human with a gun & jet-pack. Could Challenge Superman?

Red Nemesis
Originally posted by playa1258
Yeah whatever. Wong and his Jizz Slurpers worships the ICS which is a load of crap .

In this pair of sentences we have one (1) dismissal of a reasonable position out of hand, one (1) textbook example of fallacious ad hominem argument exhibiting one (1) thrilling case of flamboyant homophobia, one (1) unsupported assertion, and one (1) mistakenly conjugated verb relating to a pluralized noun.



That's nice. Did you ever think that maybe there was a safety feature in place to avoid igniting the surrounding atmosphere so that Boba did not incinerate his father? Or that Boba made a conscious choice not to endanger his home? Given the massively increased destructive potential of those same lasers not five minutes later in the movie, there is no way to conclude that Boba was firing at full power.


I'm having a hard time understanding how this is relevant in a thread about the relative martial prowess of two spaceships. Were we debating the merits of comic book characters in relation to Star Wars characters (or DC and/or Marvel Earth vs. the Empire) this could have been germane, but as the topic is a purely naval battle, I cannot in good conscience stray from the topic at hand.



Supes wins. Then he fights Goku and loses. Then Goku fights Kenobi (or his ghost? Or zombie form or something?) and demolishes him. Circle of life.

mattatom
You didn't comment on the last part you highlighted

Red Nemesis
I mistakenly made both the homophobia key number and the unsupported assertion key number green. "Unsupported assertion" is supposed to be orange. Oh well.

Slash_KMC
I wouldn't have done that... I would've made the second green part orange.

Why would you make a mistake like that? Why would you not just do the right thing!!!

Red Nemesis
miffed

thumb down

Slash_KMC
shifty

Red Nemesis
sad

Slash_KMC
ermm

pokey

18scsc
you kill a thousund borg with the deathstar then target one borg and fir those it survive

exucuter wins if you think i am wrong google star wars v.vs star treck an open the five mintue esay one

pwnd



i am a 12 year-old and no more then 75% of self proclamied big time star wars fans ask me any generel qustions and i will awnser corectly (so know stuff like how many tactions does a prefabucated garsion have (its something like 800))

truejedi
Does being 12 mean you don't use punctuation, nor spell words correctly? You will find we expect you to know the SW knowledge here. That is pretty much a pre-requisite. Now can you put it in anything less than garbled English?

Maester_yoda
@ 18sec

Who beat the crap out of Mace Windu in hand-to-hand combat? Windu saw 12 hands coming at him? i mean beat him to a pulp?

Red Nemesis
That was... inspirational.


You make a very insightful and well-reasoned point. The hordes of citations and reams of evidence you have supplied us with is a real credit to your intelligence and effort.

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by 18scsc
you kill a thousund borg with the deathstar then target one borg and fir those it survive

exucuter wins if you think i am wrong google star wars v.vs star treck an open the five mintue esay one

pwnd



i am a 12 year-old and no more then 75% of self proclamied big time star wars fans ask me any generel qustions and i will awnser corectly (so know stuff like how many tactions does a prefabucated garsion have (its something like 800)) Being that you're 12, and seemingly new to this, I'd say any of the senior members here could whoop you at knowledge about Star Wars.


And being that you're 12, you're abilities to reason and rationalize are severely limited, so pardon us if we won't be trusting your word.


Plus isn't it against the rules to be under 14 here, or something?

Slash_KMC
Also, he said he was 13 in the other thread.


So we have two options here:

1) This kid can't count.
2) It's a troll.


I offer solutions to both options:

1) This kid is younger than regulated age => Ban.
2) Ban.

18scsc
i will be 13 in 8 days (feburay 27) so i exatrated a litel bit ok? bye the way i am in double ap math ( 9th grade math or algbra whatever you want to call it) . and i am do know a lot about star wars i am not deinieng you probly know more than me just saying that i am not an idiot.
by the way restricted age is 13.
i know lots of so called big time star wars fans but only 1 of them (out of 9 ) actualy knew who darth bane was

(isint this off topic)

truejedi
Originally posted by 18scsc
and i am do know a lot about star wars

well. Congratulations.

mattatom
Originally posted by 18scsc
i will be 13 in 8 days (feburay 27) so i exatrated a litel bit ok? bye the way i am in double ap math ( 9th grade math or algbra whatever you want to call it) . and i am do know a lot about star wars i am not deinieng you probly know more than me just saying that i am not an idiot.
by the way restricted age is 13.
i know lots of so called big time star wars fans but only 1 of them (out of 9 ) actualy knew who darth bane was

(isint this off topic) That one was probably Neb, so your standing hasn't improved. Also, maths and algebra won't help you here. Proper grammar, spelling and punctuation will.

Red Nemesis
Originally posted by mattatom
That one was probably Neb, so your standing hasn't improved. Also, maths and algebra won't help you here. Proper grammar, spelling and punctuation will.

Not true. If he's gotten to algebra then he has probably been through geometry. My geom. class included basic proofs (transitive property, etc.). If that is the case, we can look forward to lots and lots of A>B B=C A>C "proofs."

mattatom
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Not true. If he's gotten to algebra then he has probably been through geometry. My geom. class included basic proofs (transitive property, etc.). If that is the case, we can look forward to lots and lots of A>B B=C A>C "proofs." Though how will that help us if we can't undesrstand him? Since ABC's don't work anyway my point is still valid.

Darth _Sadow1
Executor! That ship has a planet's-worth of firepower, as one source put it. It makes capital ships look like toys! NOTHING stands up to Executor! ESPECIALLY if Vader himself is onboard commanding it!

juyomaster34
Shadow I agree,that 's the freaking Executor!!!
I wouldn't have made this thread.
Scimitar vs Rogue Shadow now that's fair fight.

And the one I really have to think about because I like them both.
Executor!! all the way.

You should have said Death Star now that's a thread that's probably will go 10 or 17 threads long
Darth Shadow 1 this your que either topic man let's go me and you start it off!!!! lol ! laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing

Lord Lucien
Who's "Shadow"? lol Silly Saruman:


bXPLFcJA9fM

juyomaster34
I Mean Sadow..... funny guy...lol.
What do you think about this thread?

Darth _Sadow1
Originally posted by juyomaster34
I Mean Sadow..... funny guy...lol.
What do you think about this thread?
Me? I have always loved Executor, so i have always been a little biased. I was sad when it got brought down in VI....The Damn A-Wing! I am a big fan of the Empire and their amazing weapons of mass destruction.

juyomaster34
Me,too I Like the walkers and both Death Stars.
They always had the coolest WMD's.

Darth _Sadow1
Originally posted by juyomaster34
Me,too I Like the walkers and both Death Stars.
They always had the coolest WMD's.
And the World Devistators, and the Galaxy Gun, and both Eclipses, and Executor, and dark Troopers.... big grin Sigh....I wish the Empire was still around....The Yuuzan Vong bug me too much....

juyomaster34
I admit I kinda like and hate the Vongs,
their biological warfare overwhelmed the NJO
Plus their experiments with vornskrs.

I like their bio tech.

Darth _Sadow1
Yeah. The Vong made the Empire and the Republic join forces. That is seriously evil stuff.

Lord Lucien
It made the Remnant and Republic join forces.

Darth _Sadow1
The remnant of the EMPIRE

juyomaster34
The Vongs were indeed a serious threat many Jedi died
Their biotech is very interesting.

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