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It seems kind of like a form of mental evolution to me. I mean you're much more likely to be successful in a challenging situation if you have experience, rather than just instincts. So, how do people back up all of the criticisms against desensitization?

It depends on what you're being desensitized to... I would think that much should be obvious.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It depends on what you're being desensitized to... I would think that much should be obvious. What would be a bad thing to be desensitized to?

Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
What would be a bad thing to be desensitized to?

The Dnepropetrovsk maniacs?

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Originally posted by jaden101
The Dnepropetrovsk maniacs?

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DO NOT CLICK LINK IF EASILY OFFENDED AND DISGUSTED BY DEAD ROTTEN TSUNAMI VICTIM BABIES. Nevermind, I thought that the Dnepropetrovsk maniacs were somehow connected to the tsunami and got confused.

I could list and show more things not to get desensitized to if you want...I could also tell you some cracking stories from my forensic studies days.

The maniacs were breaking the law, plain and simple. The picture is very sad, but nothing can really be done by grieving about it. It was a natural disaster, and you can't stop those. You can only attempt to. I personally don't see any benefits to grieving.

Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
So, how do people back up all of the criticisms against desensitization?

Take internet-porn as an example, with what's available at just a few strokes(lol) of the keyboard, I now have a hard time nutting unless there's multiple penetration and a midget is somehow involved. Desensitization, not always good.

Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
The maniacs were breaking the law, plain and simple. The picture is very sad, but nothing can really be done by grieving about it. It was a natural disaster, and you can't stop those. You can only attempt to. I personally don't see any benefits to grieving.

Grieving is nothing to do with being desensitized though. Desensitization is simply no longer being shocked by things that would shock the average person.

In this case i'm about as far outside the bell curve as can possibly be...I've seen the Dunblane crime scene photographs...The Soham murders crime scene pictures...Piper Alpha and Lockerbie victims...I've seen dead people riddled with maggots...Children who've accidentally hanged themselves through the bars of their bunk beds. Road traffic accident victims including a motor cycle accident where the only thing holding the person together was their leathers...and they were still alive at that point. I've seen someone who had suffocated themselves with a plastic shopping bag and who's body had been sitting there so long when we moved it the head was so rotten inside the bag that it fell off (very amusing)

Some generally pretty horrid shit that would shock most people...I'm now at the point where pretty much nothing bothers me at all.


As for stuff online...I've pictures of victims from the Madrid train bombings...Every beheading video going...People getting pulled apart between 2 cars...People getting shot in the face and having their teeth blown out...Someone being run over by a tank...You name it...I've looked for it and in most cases found it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Take internet-porn as an example, with what's available at just a few strokes(lol) of the keyboard, I now have a hard time nutting unless there's multiple penetration and a midget is somehow involved. Desensitization, not always good. I see what you're saying, but I think women prefer a man who can hold it in for longer, so that they orgasm before the man. That's a talent my friend. Plus, what if you were being held in a hostage situation by some hot femme fatale psychopath, who would shoot you to death if you came, but then blew you, and it just didn't happen. Your brains would stay inside your head and you would gain the respect of a hot serial killer. Now, one problem would be reproduction. I guess you would either have to convince your mate to accept it, and a midget and a friend to come over, or you could adopt a baby from a poor country that has no internets. A country where people's butter guns have hair triggers.

The problem with desensitization is that you can start to forget just how horrible something is and thus allow it to continue. If murder doesn't phase me then my emotional motivation to do something about it is reduced. When you extend this to an entire population the problem becomes apparent.

Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
Plus, what if you were being held in a hostage situation by some hot femme fatale psychopath, who would shoot you to death if you came, but then blew you, and it just didn't happen. Your brains would stay inside your head and you would gain the respect of a hot serial killer.

Because that's a realistic scenario.

Desensitizing to things like war would be bad wouldn't they?

Originally posted by Liberator
Desensitizing to things like war would be bad wouldn't they?

Not if you were in one...I would think that a benefit from not being bothered by the horrors of war is that you wouldn't suffer from PTSD.

Although i'm sure one of our resident psychology experts will no doubt inform me of some underlying unconscious mind thingymajigproblemydooda.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The problem with desensitization is that you can start to forget just how horrible something is and thus allow it to continue. If murder doesn't phase me then my emotional motivation to do something about it is reduced. When you extend this to an entire population the problem becomes apparent.



Because that's a realistic scenario. I, personally can learn from something without being emotionally affected by it, and I believe that other people can too. Also, I have no idea how I came up with the scenario above. It must be time for me to put "a few strokes" on my keyboard. Also, I would teach my children that murder is wrong and make sure that they teach their children the same, and teach it from generation to generation. I would expect others to have the common sense to do the same too.

Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
I, personally can learn from something without being emotionally affected by it, and I believe that other people can too. Also, I have no idea how I came up with the scenario above. It must be time for me to put "a few strokes" on my keyboard. Also, I would teach my children that murder is wrong and make sure that they teach their children the same, and teach it from generation to generation. I would expect others to have the common sense to do the same too.

You seriously don't see a problem with a world where people don't care about murder? Seriously?

Or let's try an experiment: explain to me why beating someone to death is bad without appealing to emotion.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You seriously don't see a problem with a world where people don't care about murder? Seriously?

Or let's try an experiment: explain to me why beating someone to death is bad without appealing to emotion. It's illegal.

Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
It's illegal.

Why should it be illegal then? Again without appealing to emotion.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why should it be illegal then? Again without appealing to emotion. Listen, the generations before us have made it illegal because of THEIR negative emotional responses to it. I'll give you that. But once something is already established as illegal, and people are put in jail, or killed for committing it, then there is absolutely no point in grieving over it. As long as respect for authority. If some new brutal action that causes emotional distress appears, then this generation will call it illegal, and pass it down to new generations. People may no longer be sensitive to it, but I still think that they will uphold the laws.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You seriously don't see a problem with a world where people don't care about murder? Seriously?


Not if it eliminates the eye-for-an-eye mentality.

Every murder doesn't require an emotional backlash from all and sundry...The people close to the victim?...Yes....Everyone else?...No.

Evidence based convictions and statutory sentences would be far more effective than emotional based witness testimony and jury based sentencing.

Originally posted by jaden101
Not if it eliminates the eye-for-an-eye mentality.

Every murder doesn't require an emotional backlash from all and sundry...The people close to the victim?...Yes....Everyone else?...No.

Evidence based convictions and statutory sentences would be far more effective than emotional based witness testimony and jury based sentencing. Agreed.

Originally posted by jaden101
Not if it eliminates the eye-for-an-eye mentality.

Every murder doesn't require an emotional backlash from all and sundry...The people close to the victim?...Yes....Everyone else?...No.

The people close to the victim shouldn't care either. In fact there shouldn't be anyone close to the victim, that's an emotional connection.

Originally posted by jaden101
Evidence based convictions and statutory sentences would be far more effective than emotional based witness testimony and jury based sentencing.

Sure, but there's not much point in coming up with ideas based on "everyone is perfectly rational".

Originally posted by Robtard
Take internet-porn as an example, with what's available at just a few strokes(lol) of the keyboard, I now have a hard time nutting unless there's multiple penetration and a midget is somehow involved. Desensitization, not always good.

I'm beyond that. I'm at the point where I need to see someone having sex with the corpse of a horse in order to get off.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The people close to the victim shouldn't care either. In fact there shouldn't be anyone close to the victim, that's an emotional connection.



Sure, but there's not much point in coming up with ideas based on "everyone is perfectly rational".

It's probably best if you responded to what I actually typed rather than making something up in your head and responding to that instead.

wouldnt be much fun that way

Originally posted by jaden101
As for stuff online...I've pictures of victims from the Madrid train bombings...Every beheading video going...People getting pulled apart between 2 cars...People getting shot in the face and having their teeth blown out...Someone being run over by a tank...You name it...I've looked for it and in most cases found it. It is pretty 'amazing' what you can find.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because that's a realistic scenario. I'm still waiting.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It depends on what you're being desensitized to... I would think that much should be obvious. One can be desensitized to the obvious.

Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
Is desensitizing really that bad?

If you insist on adding big words which thick people like me have never heard before, at least explain what it means

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Or let's try an experiment: explain to me why beating someone to death is bad without appealing to emotion.

what about an appeal to rights or identifiable human suffering? neither of these necessarily require an emotional appeal

Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
Listen, the generations before us have made it illegal because of THEIR negative emotional responses to it. I'll give you that. But once something is already established as illegal, and people are put in jail, or killed for committing it, then there is absolutely no point in grieving over it

so, is your argument that because something is illegal, there should be no emotional response to the action? this is a pretty lame version of victim blame

A lot people confuse desensitized with watching movies or seen pictures, videos, or hearing audio with the real stuff. When someone confuses reality with fiction and feels nothing could offend them...when that happens....I think someone seriously need to be taken to the nuthouse.

I'll give you an example. Toxic Junction used to allowed people to comment on their shocking videos. Whether you were a member or not. Most cases involving a brutal death or killing people would get comments like:

"LOL"
"One Less N*gger"
"Hahaha! Stupid mother for having a baby"
"Stupid Redneck Americans" etc..

All sorts of uncalled and nasty comments. Now, you could say those are only trolls. But what kind of individual would take delight in watching something tragic happening to another person and then make a joke comment?

Simple, someone that needs to be taken to the nuthouse. If this was some fictional FX...then yeah! I can see a reason to make douche bag comments. But laughing or enjoying watching a real life behead and then making brainless comments? I dunno...Take them to the nuthouse in my opinion. I think that Toxic Junction did the right thing by moderating/blocking senseless comments. Quite honestly, TJ should just be like Rotten.com...offensive stuff no douche bags comments.

Now, going back to the movies...there are two things that scare me and sicken me. One are Shark attacks and the the other is Cannibalism. Believe me...you're going to gross me out (Oh, and Obama's Speeches too).

Someone should make a movie about Cannibals reciting Obama's speeches drifting in the waters of the Atlantic and then have a shark eat them....that would totally be AWESOME!

So yeah, long boring comment by WD. You're welcome!

Originally posted by jaden101
The Dnepropetrovsk maniacs?

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DO NOT CLICK LINK IF EASILY OFFENDED AND DISGUSTED BY DEAD ROTTEN TSUNAMI VICTIM BABIES.

Posting a "don't click if whatever" disclaimer doesn't mean you can link to things that are inappropriate to post here.

Originally posted by BackFire
I'm beyond that. I'm at the point where I need to see someone having sex with the corpse of a horse in order to get off.

So that's what lies in the future for me. Ugh.

i think we are all desensitize to a small extend due to movies, tv and even geographical distance and complete lack apathy to an extend.

that doesnt mean we are all going to stand by and watch ppl being killed and tortured without showing any sign of disdain or have nightmares. like some nazi's did.


i think politically we are constantly desensitize toward certain laws and government behavior which would not have past a decade or two ago. they start off small making small changes in laws and exceptions eventually introducing bigger laws that are or were unconstitutional yrs prior.

sometimes it is done under the predence of national security other times simply as getting on along modern time and technology.

mostly politically it is done with the express purpose to circumvent standing rules and laws and working them out through small actions and times to completely remove them without upsetting the status quo

Originally posted by Peach
Posting a "don't click if whatever" disclaimer doesn't mean you can link to things that are inappropriate to post here.

Out of curiosity what makes it inappropriate?.

I know it's a 13+ forum but we regularly discuss 18+ or R rated movies which contain worse visual imagery.

Also...Sometimes the point just can't be made any other way.

Apologies if it's against the rules.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i think we are all desensitize to a small extend due to movies, tv and even geographical distance and complete lack apathy to an extend.

that doesnt mean we are all going to stand by and watch ppl being killed and tortured without showing any sign of disdain or have nightmares. like some nazi's did.


i think politically we are constantly desensitize toward certain laws and government behavior which would not have past a decade or two ago. they start off small making small changes in laws and exceptions eventually introducing bigger laws that are or were unconstitutional yrs prior.

sometimes it is done under the predence of national security other times simply as getting on along modern time and technology.

mostly politically it is done with the express purpose to circumvent standing rules and laws and working them out through small actions and times to completely remove them without upsetting the status quo

I think you have point there....If the media would allow more graphic images on tv (like in certain countries) maybe the culture would be different.

But then again, it would be contest to see who can outgross the more and who gets more ratings and it would be about ratings not the actual news.....oh, wait.