Anyone read History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi?

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ImmortalIronMan
I do.

NemeBro
I do too.

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danteiscool
so do I. it's awesome. gotta love Ryozanpaku and their eccentric habits.

ImmortalIronMan
My fave characters:

Kenichi
Hermit
Shigure
Kisara
Freya
Renka

Stealth
HSDK is a nice blend of comedy and action. smile

Love this manga.

dadudemon
Epic thread revival because AuraAngel writes about this manga on his blog.


I think we should start posting in here, more often.

I read this every time new chaps come out. I read it just as religiously as I do the Naruto, Berserk, Bleach, etc.

AuraAngel
Got into it recently on a whim while I was waiting for the Big Three to be translated.

I like it. Formula gets a bit tiring but that's fine. It kind reminds me of Bleach in that the manga seems to like his characters more than overarching story.

Favorite character is Tanimoto. Yours Dadudemon?

Demonic Phoenix
Been meaning to start reading this, especially after seeing this herb_wank

No but seriously, is it good?

dadudemon
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Favorite character is Tanimoto. Yours Dadudemon?

It is difficult to say but sometimes it is Hayato Furinji and sometimes it is Berserker: Shougo Kitsukawa.

I like how perverted Kensei Ma is...mostly because he reminds me of a bolder perverted me. I don't take pictures of girls bending over or read dirty magazines but I can relate to the guy, lol!

Kenichi has his moments. I wish he were more talented. He is supposedly a genius at hard work and has the typical shonen ability of indomitable will.

Akisame Koetsuji also has his moments and probably most resembles me in personality: the philosopher-scientist who would prefer doing art all day. big grin

Shio Sakaki has his moments.



Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No but seriously, is it good?

It is better, at times, than the HST. Sometimes, it drags on. Sometimes, as Aura states, the manga is formulaic meaning it is predictable. There is so much fan-service it almost is absurd. I have drawn some stuff from the manga, however. smile

AuraAngel
If that's what you want to see then Jesus yes you will like this manga. Fanservice at max. Bleach, One Piece, and Naruto combined do not match it in that regard.

But yeah, it's pretty cool. It's evolved over time so it's a bit different now from its origins. But still a fun read.

I personally like the Big Three more though. Bleach has had some really crap arcs but I also think Kenichi can get much more dull because of it's slow pacing.

Demonic Phoenix
Originally posted by dadudemon
It is better, at times, than the HST. Sometimes, it drags on. Sometimes, as Aura states, the manga is formulaic meaning it is predictable. There is so much fan-service it almost is absurd. I have drawn some stuff from the manga, however. smile

I consider Naruto to be the best of the HST (though really, I don't read OP, so it is just between Naruto & Bleach). So in your opinion it is better than Naruto at times? Cool.
The fan-service should make up for the slow pacing...I hope.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
If that's what you want to see then Jesus yes you will like this manga. Fanservice at max. Bleach, One Piece, and Naruto combined do not match it in that regard.

But yeah, it's pretty cool. It's evolved over time so it's a bit different now from its origins. But still a fun read.

I personally like the Big Three more though. Bleach has had some really crap arcs but I also think Kenichi can get much more dull because of it's slow pacing.

Will have to see if outdoes Tenjho Tenge in the fan-service department. mmm

Most manga that run for as long as this one has, evolve. As long as the direction of the manga stays entertaining, I won't mind terribly.

Is the pacing at its worst better than that of Bleach's at its worst? What about the fight/action scenes? Are they well-done? Any mind-numbingly stupid arcs or characters?

dadudemon
http://dadudemon.tumblr.com/Current_State_Analysis

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Will have to see if outdoes Tenjho Tenge in the fan-service department. mmm

Nope. Not even close. This is shonen so, generally, it avoids nudity..generally. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times genuine nudity has been shown...if you don't count asses.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Most manga that run for as long as this one has, evolve. As long as the direction of the manga stays entertaining, I won't mind terribly.

Is the pacing at its worst better than that of Bleach's at its worst? What about the fight/action scenes? Are they well-done? Any mind-numbingly stupid arcs or characters?

The pacing is probably better than Bleach. Like, the showdowns last a few chapters instead of 20.

The humor is a bit more slapstick than Bleach, however. You may find this manga too immature, actually. Just depends.

I give HSDK a 6.5. I give Naruto a 7. These are scores out of 10. It's not bad. But it is not the best ever. You may enjoy the over-the-top power of the characters, though. It feels much more like Dragonball in the training and power department. Just not blasts and no flight....and they are not as powerful.

I like the martial arts aspect of it. The author actually does "study trips" with marital arts and incorporates them into the manga. So, some real-world martial arts come through, at times, in the manga. Real techniques, stances, moves, etc. Fun for people that like martial arts like myself.

AuraAngel
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Will have to see if outdoes Tenjho Tenge in the fan-service department. mmm

Most manga that run for as long as this one has, evolve. As long as the direction of the manga stays entertaining, I won't mind terribly.

Is the pacing at its worst better than that of Bleach's at its worst? What about the fight/action scenes? Are they well-done? Any mind-numbingly stupid arcs or characters?

Wouldn't know.

Well in the early days it actually somewhat seemed to be trying to teach kids a lot about martial arts. Later on the scaling gets so large that this is...well not really feasible.

Well no. Bleach at it's worst would literally have nothing happening. Kenichi is never that bad. The problem with Kenichi is that it can get repetitive. Really worse than the pacing is the fact that the heroes rarely lose. Action is fun but not all that strategic. And no arcs are stupid really but I can think of a few characters I personally dislike lol.

dadudemon
Originally posted by AuraAngel
And no arcs are stupid really but I can think of a few characters I personally dislike lol.

Which ones?

AuraAngel
I hate Niijima.

Sho Kano disappointed me.

And I loathe Akira Hongo based on that complete horseshit fight between him and Silcardo. I loved Silcardo and Sakaki's rival is the one who kills him? Cut me a break.

dadudemon
Yes, Sho Kano was a bit lame...gay, actually. It would have been more comfortable for me, as the reader, if Sho WAS actually gay instead of this very very gay, but forced "attraction" to Miu. His character and appearance were just too homosexual to force that attraction to Miu. But the story had to continue!

AuraAngel
Lol I just didn't like him because he wasn't nearly as threatening as Odin or Kokin and yet was ranked above them in Yomi. Cut me a break.

That and I felt his character was rushed way too quickly.

dadudemon
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Lol I just didn't like him because he wasn't nearly as threatening as Odin or Kokin and yet was ranked above them in Yomi. Cut me a break.

That and I felt his character was rushed way too quickly.

Well, he was so strong that he was bordering the area where disciple class sits and master class sits. A single strike would have killed Kenichi IF he wasn't wearing that body armor, remember.

He was more threatening than that master-class swordsman Kenichi faced on top of that car, really.


But, yes, I agree. Character felt rushed but didn't come off as threatening. I suppose that was intentional because the wanted to create a sense of friendship. He was suppose to be a good guy but playing for the bad guys. Miu's tight purple suit had a wetspot because of him. smokin'

AuraAngel
Eh, I mean threatening in the sense that he never actually did beat Kenichi like Odin or Koukin. Odin was a personal obstacle that needed overcoming while Koukin actually KILLED Kenichi and was pretty scary. The only thing Sho seemed to be after was Miu, which is kinda lame.

At least that master class was more impressive than the one the Shinpaku Alliance took down.

I agree. But I mean really, the character had potential but he was taken out so quickly. I'd have prefer if they'd done something like how Kenichi is trying to convert Chikage.

Also, you have yet to place your bets for the upcoming fights.

wakkawakkawakka
Well the new HSDK chapter out. Berserker is pretty darn beasty while I just can't help but point out the delicious fanserves:
http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/500/17

AuraAngel
Bahahahaha!

Tanimoto on the cover is just like "I ain't no conformist."

Neat little chapter. Berserker is strong but I'm still betting on Kenichi to take it.

The glimpses of the other battles are cool too but Siegfried and Tanimoto is really the fight I care most about and it's not even shown technically. :T

dadudemon
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c500/15.html

"So far, while training with Yomi, there wasn't even a single person who could dodge my attacks as perfectly as you did."


Kenichi is quite strong, now. For me, that was indication from the author that Kenichi is creeping up on very low-level master-class.

He's not as fast as Miu, for sure, but his overall speed and strength are good enough to last a few seconds against low-level masterclass.



This is good. Shows progress.


Berserker better not disappoint, dammit! He has yet to go berserker mode which should be interesting.

danteiscool
no kidding there. I personally think Kenichi could win this fight, but it will probably be insanely hard given Berserker's improvement since the whole Ragnarok arc. hell, he could have blitzed Kenichi if he wanted too at first, but didn't follow through.

AuraAngel
Well I'd say Kenichi is still a bit off from Master class. He is still probably weaker than Tanaka, who was at a midpoint between the two classes. But that's just my opinion since Kenichi has improved since his sparring match with Tanaka.

wakkawakkawakka
Well I'm more intreseted in Berserker's progress than Kenichi. Though I'm curious as to how Odin and Freya's fight will turn out.

danteiscool
well, given that Freya is missing her staff, I think it's in Odin's favor. after all, she is mainly a weapons user so unless she uses something as a makeshift weapon, she might be on the losing side here.

AuraAngel
I don't see them fighting at all since she lacks a staff and he doesn't seem to be antagonistic.

Lek Kuen
Want to start reading this since I loved the anime and am a big martial arts buff, but I heard the fanservice is insane.

AuraAngel
It is.

Thing about the fanservice is that after a while it gets to the point where there is barely anywhere else to go. So it becomes ineffective after a while.

Then again, I was legit surprised when nipples were finally shown.

dadudemon
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well I'd say Kenichi is still a bit off from Master class. He is still probably weaker than Tanaka, who was at a midpoint between the two classes. But that's just my opinion since Kenichi has improved since his sparring match with Tanaka.

He was just a tad below Tanaka but he technically beat Tanaka in their sparring match because he held back, remember? Hayato pointed out that Kenichi won and Tanaka lost because Tanaka didn't hold back and Kenichi was following sparring rules.

Since then, Kenichi has gotten much stronger.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Then again, I was legit surprised when nipples were finally shown.

Which made me lol cause it just didn't seem like a "jump" in fanservice because it had been skirting the edge as closely as possible for dozens of chapters by that point.


Then I thought that the manga had jumped into Seinen level when it showed Miu's vag. no expression

Lek Kuen
So now it just shows nudity all the time?

wakkawakkawakka
The fights are pretty cool especially if your intrested in martial arts. But yeah, every non-Kisara chick fight might as well be porn.

Lek Kuen
I don't even mind nudity and fan service when it fits what's going on and the themes. But when it's just there to be there and on a semi hentai level, it turns me off. Is it really distracting?

wakkawakkawakka
To answer your question I'll provide you with this pic from the latest chapter: http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/500/17

So yeah the fanservice is absurd though Shigure's fight are notorious for heavy fanservice.

BloodRain
I last got to the part where they're off to save Miu from.. Mask guy. Where abouts are these chapters?

AuraAngel
Well here is the actual kidnapping.

http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/446/14

So read from there. Honestly I would have skipped the arc entirely had I known about the bullshit ending. Not even seeing Miu's dad can repair the harm done by having Akira kill Silcardo.

Stealth
I'm definitely becoming desensitized to the manga's overall abundance of fanservice. It's killin' my mojo. Matsuena must be subtle with his lewd advances. schmoll

AuraAngel
http://littlesamson.tumblr.com/post/36892006178/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi-501-review

Alright chapter was alright.

wakkawakkawakka
The invincible Miu strikes again. Oh and Odin's a pimp...gotdamnit Freya.

danteiscool
sure looks like it. you know, you'd think Miu would have met her match, but it turns out that's not hte case. kind of annoying.

dadudemon
So. Much. Fanservice! I guess that was to be expected.

wakkawakkawakka
Thi chapter is another example of why girl fights are nigh impossible to take seriously. It's a hop and a skip away from becoming a hentai whenever a female appears.

danteiscool
noted. at least their clothes is remaining intact for now. chances are htough is that in a chapter or two, Miu is going to lose her top. the author seems to like using her for fanservice A LOT.

AuraAngel
http://littlesamson.tumblr.com/post/37518967632/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi-502-review

dadudemon
Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://littlesamson.tumblr.com/post/37518967632/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi-502-review

Decent review. The fan-service was distracting for me, this time. Not because it give me boners but because it seemed forced...as if he was trying too hard to provide fan service. Aiki (the manga) does better with this fanservice stuff than this one as it doesn't seem so out of place and forced.

Also, please keep posting your reviews on KMC because I won't remember to check any other way.

AuraAngel
Kay.

http://littlesamson.tumblr.com/archive

Yay for archive that holds all the reviews.

NemeBro
Finally got caught up on Kenichi last night.

I didn't find 502's fanservice all that distracting, honestly, though yeah, the manga's fanservice is pretty lol and unnecessary.

AuraAngel
I know right? These guys are just wimps.

Really I don't estimate the fanservice to be too bad in this fight since Miu has relatively little to lose as far as clothing goes. Rimi will probably lose a lot but eh.

dadudemon
Originally posted by AuraAngel
I know right? These guys are just wimps.

Really I don't estimate the fanservice to be too bad in this fight since Miu has relatively little to lose as far as clothing goes. Rimi will probably lose a lot but eh.

Well, there's something else about these manga that is not being pointed out: notice that the men lose their shirts all the time, too? I think we do not notice it but 100 Dan Man is consistently running around topless or with a shirt wide open. I just thought about that as I was considering whether or not the manga was sexist...it really isn't.

NemeBro
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think we do not notice it Speak for yourself. :3

AuraAngel
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, there's something else about these manga that is not being pointed out: notice that the men lose their shirts all the time, too? I think we do not notice it but 100 Dan Man is consistently running around topless or with a shirt wide open. I just thought about that as I was considering whether or not the manga was sexist...it really isn't.

Yeah, see my reviews where I note the male fanservice on the covers. stick out tongue

danteiscool
well I guess the author likes to provide fanservice for both genders, unlike some other authors who mainly aim fanservice at us guys.

wakkawakkawakka
Yet we have another reason why I both love and kind of loathe HSDK http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/504/11 no expression

In other news Sig and Hermit's fight is pretty cool why Takeda continues to be uninteresting. Oh and "Super Miu" strikes again :sigh:

NemeBro
Rachel and Renka were basically 69'ing.

lol

danteiscool
pretty much! makes you wonder what kind of other positions those two girls will end up in. I swear, the author abuses those two more often than Miu, fanservice wise anyway.

and yeah, I gotta agree with you on the super Miu thing, wakkawakkawakka: sigh. I understand she is the granddaughter of Hayato and the daughter of two powerful martial artists, but this is starting to get ridiculous; it'd probably take an expert level martial artist now to fight her evenly at this rate.

NemeBro
Well she is expert level, lol.

Even Kenichi was expert level like two hundred chapters ago.

wakkawakkawakka
Yeah but Miu's ubber perfection has always annoyed me as the series progressed though trying to fit that in along with the fanservice got ****ing weird in the Junazard arc.

I still think Shigure and big-boobed chick from Yami get the worst of it in terms of ridiculous fanservice though Renka and Rachel are definitely catching up.

dadudemon
It has always been hinted, since the very first chapter, that Miu was hiding powers. You should not have been surprised about her getting Ki-release power-up when it was already explained that Miu had, basically, master-class levels of Ki hidden under the surface (why else would Pervy-Mask Guy try to brain wash her and make her his soldier in the previous arc?).

The only character that has had to work for every last bit of his power is Kenichi. His amps have been piecewise every step of the way.

AuraAngel
He wasn't surprised. That's the problem. Miu has not been challenged by anyone except Kano, which barely counts since she's still above Kenichi apparently. There is no tension in whether or not Miu will lose because no matter what Rimi did, rage Miu would eventually pop up and settle things rather quickly.

dadudemon
Originally posted by AuraAngel
There is no tension in whether or not Miu will lose because no matter what Rimi did, rage Miu would eventually pop up and settle things rather quickly.

I didn't realize that tension had to exist. Why do we need tension in an irrelevant fight, again?


The only relevant fight is Kenichi's. There is still a possibility that Kenichi could get his ass beat down and get rescued at the last minute for sure death. That's a possibility. That's the only fight we should care about. That's the only one that is important.


Miu's fights? Ha! This is Japan: the most sexist modern nation in the world (fact...just learned it in college). She will eventually become the arm-candy to Kenichi.





What needs to happen is a time-skip...and Kenichi needs to grow about 20 cm taller.

wakkawakkawakka
We kind of need tension to recognize the opponents as threatening of sorts. Even if it's not really a requirement it would still be nice to have. In fact most of the disciple fights have it except Miu's.

I mean to be put on the defensive against an opponent who's actually a good match for her only to end up going"Beast-Mode" cause of superior Dou ki felt like a waste to me: especially since I kind of wanted to see Miu struggle at least a tad longer against another disciple.

Well Miu's fights still aren't as bad as the current Renka and Rachel fight with the exception of the Junazard arc.

Agree on the time-skip thing.

dadudemon
Meh, you're right because you're wakka.


Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Agree on the time-skip thing.

Needs to happen.

danteiscool
mmm, I guess a timeskip would be pretty good, at least if nothing else other than to allow Kenichi and co. to get stronger at a faster rate (at least to us readers since the training would get skipped a bit).

dadudemon
So the blind gay guy is actually a good guy?

NemeBro
http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/505/2

Bottom-right panel.

lol

You can use Sei ki and be a bad gai, you ****.

danteiscool
hmm, so Lugh is the closest to being a master if he unleashes his Ki huh? sounds like finally Miu may have a real enemy if the two ever fought.

NemeBro
Read more closely.

It says that in terms of ki, he would be closest if he unleashes his Dou.

It is like how when Siegfried's mastery of his counter-techniques is nearly master-class.

wakkawakkawakka
So...did I mention how much I don't care about Lugh's fight. Where are Kenichi and Berserker at?

I do find it funny how Odin couldn't put Freya in any other hold than the one he has her in now.

AuraAngel
Chapter was much weaker than last week.

dadudemon
Nope, it turns out that Blind Boy is actually a good guy. no expression

Mark my pubes.

NemeBro
Could happen.

Doesn't change shit son.

danteiscool
true that. Lugh is still a rather nihilistic individual. sei ki doesn't mean that he'll eventually turn good, all it means is that he's a tactical fighter when it comes down to it.

dadudemon
It means he won't kill unless necessary. I think boxing boy will give up before death.

danteiscool
maybe, maybe not. Takeda can be remarkbly stubborn. then again, he looks to be much more cautious this time around, so maybe he really will make a run for it if he thinks he can't win.

NemeBro
Originally posted by dadudemon
It means he won't kill unless necessary. What makes you say that?

And "necessary" is such a relative term.

dadudemon
Originally posted by NemeBro
What makes you say that?

And "necessary" is such a relative term.

Kinsei Ma makes me say that.

dadudemon
lol...haha.....So much nipples in this chapter.


I should redraw Miu's character from a couple of panels. She definitely would be showing some vag and full on nipples in a couple of shots in this chapter.

danteiscool
no kidding. it seems like future fights with Miu in them will only involve more and more skin showing. just how the hell does this make it into the magazine HSDK runs in?

dadudemon
Kenichi thanked his temporary sensei. Certainly big of Kenichi.


So Rimi will learn that one technique that will kill her or make her cripple, eh?


Miu can't possibly get anymore naked. How can the fight continue?

wakkawakkawakka
^ Umm...is that a challenge dadudemon? smile

I'm kind of mad I was cheated out of my Berserker fight though Kenichi thanking Kensei is a bold move. Then we have Miu breezing through the only person to challenge her because of a speech.

AuraAngel
Ogata is such a bawss. Look at him. No ****s given about any of this really.

I fear one of the Masters showing up to beat him up. Son of a ***** is the invincibility of the heroes getting old.

danteiscool
no kidding there. Ogata just pretty much does what he wants. though givne all he is doing is watching the fights, I doubt a master will suddenly show up and challenge him; it'd be too sudden.

but damn, just how hte hell are Miu's and Rimi's private areas still remaining covered?! and if Rimi learns the technqiue I think she is thinking of, then Miu better not still end up kicking her ass; that'd just be too much.

AuraAngel
Miu will of course beat her because Miu never loses to anybody that isn't master class. Except Sho Kano like once in a moment so stupid I can't even explain it.

Man Sho Kano was killed so freaking early. Even Ryuto got to stay around longer than him.

XanatosForever
I want to see what's going on with Castor and Renka. Such dirty tactics, I'd like to see Rachel get embareassed.

danteiscool
given her attention-seeking nature, I doubt Rachel ever actually will end up embarrassed.

and you know, it really would be nice if Miu loses to someone her age. that way it could maybe help her develop further as a character.

AuraAngel
Miu is perfect and needs no development.

wakkawakkawakka
Well Miu can never not loose her clothes, or lack of, whenever she fights.

She's also beating the one person her age to actually challenge her because Kenichi made a typical shonen speech. This does make me wonder why Miu hasn't reach Master class yet.

XanatosForever
Because Master class is ridiculous, and Kenichi wouldn't have any semblance of reason to let him believe the delusion that he can actually protect Miu.

dadudemon
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Because Master class is ridiculous, and Kenichi wouldn't have any semblance of reason to let him believe the delusion that he can actually protect Miu.

You're correct. It was said, to paraphrase, that there is a massive chasm between disciple and master class.

NemeBro
More correctly, there is an entirely different tier of fighter between them: Expert.

Around chapter 380ish or so, Kenichi had been in the beginning stages of Expert class. That nerdy-looking Japanese salaryman who easily beat Kenichi in sparring was in the latest stages, almost Master class.

AuraAngel
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Because Master class is ridiculous, and Kenichi wouldn't have any semblance of reason to let him believe the delusion that he can actually protect Miu.

He beat a guy who casually knocked out Miu. Seriously, go back and read 219. How the manga can still pretend that Miu is somehow still superior to Kenichi is beyond me. Then again I think it has been a while since it has insinuated that.

Also just remembered that Tanaka was at the amusement park. Looks like he'll get a shot at Ogata.

dadudemon
Originally posted by NemeBro
More correctly, there is an entirely different tier of fighter between them: Expert.

Around chapter 380ish or so, Kenichi had been in the beginning stages of Expert class. That nerdy-looking Japanese salaryman who easily beat Kenichi in sparring was in the latest stages, almost Master class.

I don't think Kenichi is Expert class, yet, actually.

XanatosForever
Sho took down Miu with a grapple, not through actual combat (not sure he would have properly fought her anyway, given his feelings for her) and from what I remember of their fight Kenichi was getting murdered most of the battle. It was his impossible willpower and determination to help Miu that let him win.

AuraAngel
She attacked him, he responded by blitzing her and then knocking her out with a grapple. He was clearly much stronger than her. She's not going to let herself get knocked out lol.

XanatosForever
From what I understand of Master class in this series, seven seconds would've been more than enough for her to break out of it. Masters are recockulous.

danteiscool
masters are pretty much leagues above disciples. given that one who is regarded as master class trash (Fortuna) required almost all of the 2ndary characters to team up on him, imagine how much punishment it'd take to take down stronger masters like Sakaki or Apachai.

and I think in that one chapter, it said that Kenichi was just barely beginning to enter the expert level of power/skill, so he and his friends of comparable strength still have a ways to go.

AuraAngel
So Rimi is dead apparently.

Of course she died due to her own recklessness so our heroes will have a clean record. Can't have that tarnished!

Ogata is carrying this arc so far. Takeda vs Lugh was okay but man did this fight in particular turn shitty by the end.

What is with manga recently wanting me to root for the villain because I can relate to them more? Rereading the Kabuto vs Itachi/Sasuke fight put me back in this state of mind.

danteiscool
either she's dead or crippled. stupid girl should have listened.

and I think Ogata is going to be one of the major antagonists even out of all of Yami. he was once Ryozanpaku's disciple so there is no way he'll be fighting and going down anytime soon. and as for this fight, meh, it was basically just Miu getting stronger with every other chapter until this one, in which it ended in a tie, though Rimi is probably never going to be able to fight again.

and relating to villains is sometimes common; some do have a pretty sad life or something else that we can relate to.

socool8520
Originally posted by AuraAngel
He beat a guy who casually knocked out Miu. Seriously, go back and read 219. How the manga can still pretend that Miu is somehow still superior to Kenichi is beyond me. Then again I think it has been a while since it has insinuated that.

Also just remembered that Tanaka was at the amusement park. Looks like he'll get a shot at Ogata.

I honestly think he should be better than her too. But there is the fact that he loves her, and he always chumps out for females. I think it was stated not too long ago, that up until just recently, Miu had still been taking it easy on Kenichi. It was after she came back from being brainwashed. Once she stepped it up in their spar, she pwned him. The only thing I believe that Kenichi has been stated to be better at than Miu is following fights, but that was before she got the amp in her Dou ability.

socool8520
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Ogata is such a bawss. Look at him. No ****s given about any of this really.

I fear one of the Masters showing up to beat him up. Son of a ***** is the invincibility of the heroes getting old.

It's easy to look like a boss when you are amongst a bunch of disciple class fighters. lol. I don't really like the way he uses his disciples though. I prefer Hongo personally. It least he somewhat cared about his disciple.

Really? Invincibility? Apachai died

Hongo gave Shikaki a good fight, and looked like he would have worked Apachai and Shigure (although Apachai wasn't 100%)

Kushinada made both Shikaki and Shigure look like chumps.

Hell, considering how Hongo admitted that Jenezad was better than him, it wouldn't have been a stretch to say that he could have killed/or nearly killed Shikaki.

AuraAngel
Their few loses are nothing next to how often they win. The closest to defeat was Apachi but he "died" in the same way that a DBZ character dies. Yep, the good masters are so good they can even flip off death.

And mind you of course that none of those are straight up loses.

socool8520
Well, wasn't it stated from the beginning they were the best? lol. It goes with the whole good over evil thing. Besides, Apachai lost. he died. Aagard just couldn't move for 48 hrs. He got the better end of the deal.

Also, Shikaki had admitted that Hongo held the most wins before there last fight iirc.

Carlo had a shit style so of course he lost. Wrestling? Really? It wasn't even a useful form of wrestling.

The Combat Sambo guy did get worked, but come on, Akisame is a bad ass.

wakkawakkawakka
What about Shigure and Lance of the West. She won a jousting match with lower elevation and was topless. Still can't tell if that was awesome or complete bullshit.

danteiscool
well it is a shone manga. the good guys always wins in the end. besides, like was pointed out, Ryozanpaku are the best around. what's more too is that with the case of the villains, they go all out with their power and skills as for them killing is easy, but for guys like Ryozanpaku, who follow that saving fist philsophy, they have to be sure to hold back just enough to avoid killing their opponents. the fact that they can do that says alot about how strong they really are too.

danteiscool
also, am I the only one who thought Ogata smacking aside Miu in this latest chapter was kinda epic? maybe it's because Miu was just on a winning streak recently or something that this looked cool. not to mention how effortlessly he did it too; Kenichi and co. have a long way to go before they reach master class.

NemeBro
The pro-Ryozanpaku argument basically amounts to: "Of course they are stronger, it's because they are stronger!"

Are you people really this ****ing stupid?

wakkawakkawakka
Originally posted by NemeBro
The pro-Ryozanpaku argument basically amounts to: "Of course they are stronger, it's because they are stronger!"

Are you people really this ****ing stupid?

Um....just saying that Apachai was still able to fight after having a hole in his gut and then there's my favorite example of Shigure. Both still manages to not kill their opponents even though they're supposed to be going all out.

So I'm really not sure how to look at the Ryozanpaku masters at this point.

AuraAngel
The winners really.

I mean the closest to facing an actual lose was Apachi. And I mean even in universe that was called a tie. And keep in mind he was not aiming to kill unlike the other guy. And even then he forced himself back to life somehow lol.

danteiscool
pretty much yeah. I mean it is kinda hard for the author to have a Ryozanpaku master lose given that their opponents are trying to kill them, which is something that nearly happened to Apachai.

socool8520
Originally posted by NemeBro
The pro-Ryozanpaku argument basically amounts to: "Of course they are stronger, it's because they are stronger!"

Are you people really this ****ing stupid?

Because they were said to be the strongest from the beginning. Why get all butt hurt when this was the premise from the beginning. I actually find it refreshing that the good guys just happen to be the powerhouses. It such a tired theme that evil is so powerful that you need a team of good guys to even weaken them... cough Madara... cough cough, And it hasn't been overwhelming victories every time (it actually seems like most of the masters have been strained a great deal as of late).

It's not like every good guy has won every match. Kenichi has lost to Tsuji, Ryuuto, and was murdered by Kirawit(thai boxer).

Ukita gets punked non-stop.

Takeda was owned by Lugh the first time around.

socool8520
Originally posted by AuraAngel
The winners really.

I mean the closest to facing an actual lose was Apachi. And I mean even in universe that was called a tie. And keep in mind he was not aiming to kill unlike the other guy. And even then he forced himself back to life somehow lol.

I still don't see how this wasn't a loss. He died. Game over. His willing back to life didn't change how that particular fight ended between those two. Aagard won imo. I was actually pissed because I like Apachai's style the best, and he goes and gets dead.

XanatosForever
Ogata's reactions really sell the issue.

"Whoa there." haermm

socool8520
Well, He really shouldn't be taking them seriously, since almost everyone there is disciple level save for maybe Kenichi, Miu (who's trashed right now), Chikage, and Berserker. It's not like his life's at stake.

wakkawakkawakka
Originally posted by socool8520
Because they were said to be the strongest from the beginning. Why get all butt hurt when this was the premise from the beginning. I actually find it refreshing that the good guys just happen to be the powerhouses. It such a tired theme that evil is so powerful that you need a team of good guys to even weaken them... cough Madara... cough cough, And it hasn't been overwhelming victories every time (it actually seems like most of the masters have been strained a great deal as of late).


The problems it that the author took the time out to introduce an Anti-Ryozanpaku with masters just as skilled as them and better finances but still get the short end of the stick when going up against them save for Ogata, Saiga, and miss see-though boobs: can't remember her name.

Plus the Junazard fight was some bullshit: even though a Ryozanpaku master technically didn't beat him.

socool8520
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The problems it that the author took the time out to introduce an Anti-Ryozanpaku with masters just as skilled as them and better finances but still get the short end of the stick when going up against them save for Ogata, Saiga, and miss see-though boobs: can't remember her name.

Plus the Junazard fight was some bullshit: even though a Ryozanpaku master technically didn't beat him.

They were just as skilled, but not better. They didn't get the short end of the stick. They were all competitive fights. The only Master vs. Master fight I felt was truly lopsided was the Akisame vs. the Combat Sambo guy. Now, had every Ryozanpaku master utterly pwned the demon gods, I could see where every one would be upset. But this hasn't been the case.

Why was it bullshit? Junazaard didn't wasn't willing to die, Hongo was so he wins. not to mention Junazard was playing around too much which also cost him the loss. It's his own fault.

wakkawakkawakka
Originally posted by socool8520
They were just as skilled, but not better. They didn't get the short end of the stick. They were all competitive fights. The only Master vs. Master fight I felt was truly lopsided was the Akisame vs. the Combat Sambo guy. Now, had every Ryozanpaku master utterly pwned the demon gods, I could see where every one would be upset. But this hasn't been the case.

Why was it bullshit? Junazaard didn't wasn't willing to die, Hongo was so he wins. not to mention Junazard was playing around too much which also cost him the loss. It's his own fault.

Apachai ans Shigure come to mind for stupid miraculous wins. And wasn't see through boobs able to stalemate both Sakaki and Shigure at the same time?

Junazard was able to take on Sakaki and Hongo a few chapter back IIRC on top of Junazard being the better fighter by Hongo's own admission. To add insult to injury, Hongo pretty much willed himself back to life. Though I didn't really like pervy-mask, the ending to that fight was crap.

socool8520
Kushinada (I'm pretty sure that's her name) was able to make both Shikaki and Shigure look bad like you said, which only proves they are not getting shafted like everyone thinks.

Apachai didn't win. He died. He willed himself back to life to stop a master weapons guy who was probably only on the level of Fortuna (Shit basically). The guy's best showingcame against Kenichi (A high disciple class at the time). He got pwned by Freya's grandfather. Bad.

Shigure really hasn't faced anyone that strong imo, and she always come back to the dojo jacked up.

He took on a severely weakened Shikaki and Hongo (they had just gotten finished destroying each other iirc.) Like I said earlier, had Junazard fought better early, Hongo would have died.

wakkawakkawakka
I guess my point with bringing that up was to stress that an anti-Ryozanpaku group being reduced to relatively small numbers is pretty bad.

Well it was more like a draw though Agaard admits that he won so I just go with that usually.

With the exception of that Iai user guy I guess. Other than that I always figured she looked fine compared to most of the other returning masters other than that fact that she can't keep her clothes for some reason.

AuraAngel
Lol Kenichi. Doesn't care that a young girl just died and her master was overly callous about it. He's just pissed that he laid a finger on Miu. Our hero everybody.

Berserker really is getting the shaft. That does annoy me a lot.

Not sure how to feel about the ending though.

wakkawakkawakka
Well at least Berserker is getting screentime unlike Siegfried and Tanimoto.

But yeah I find it funny how Kenichi only cares about Miu though the girl that just died did try to kill her a few chapters ago.

So Ryuto can still stand?

danteiscool
and given he has yet to fully go all out too, then maybe some time in the near future, we'll see Berserker live up to his name.

yeah, same here. I bet Rimi's death does affect him, but naturally Miu comes first. and his rage at Miu getting hurt is clearly backfiring on him given how badly he got his ass handed to him.

probably because of that Seidou Gou move. He was doing the same hand movements he did when he used it in his fight against Kenichi. maybe it undid his paraplegic state?

dadudemon
I think he is uses the same technique that put him in the wheel chair, actually. He's amping himself to a definitive death, I think.

AuraAngel
Man if Ryuto died too I'd be mad.

dadudemon
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Man if Ryuto died too I'd be mad.

I'm almost positive that is what he's doing. Ryuto is going to die next chapter. Rimi will live, obviously. Akisame will save her, me thinks. She will become another gal in Kenichi's harem...probably.

AuraAngel
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm almost positive that is what he's doing. Ryuto is going to die next chapter. Rimi will live, obviously. Akisame will save her, me thinks. She will become another gal in Kenichi's harem...probably.

I would rather her stay dead than for that to happen.

socool8520
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Lol Kenichi. Doesn't care that a young girl just died and her master was overly callous about it. He's just pissed that he laid a finger on Miu. Our hero everybody.

Berserker really is getting the shaft. That does annoy me a lot.

Not sure how to feel about the ending though.

Well, you know, Rimi was trying to kill the love of his life just moments before. How many tears would you shed?

Why? He went up against Kenichi (not a good decision), and really didn't show much save for using a little dou ability. I expected Kenichi to pwn him honestly. Out of Ogata's disciples, I thought that Lugh was the most impressive.

danteiscool
you have a point there. still, Kenichi is usually a caring guy so maybe he'll feel bad for Rimi later.

well it's not like Berserker was going all out either while Kenichi appeared to be more on the defensive for the portion of the fight we did see. hell, not even Kenichi's ryuusei sekuken worked against him, so who knows how strong Berserker really is.

wakkawakkawakka
Originally posted by danteiscool
and given he has yet to fully go all out too, then maybe some time in the near future, we'll see Berserker live up to his name.

yeah, same here. I bet Rimi's death does affect him, but naturally Miu comes first. and his rage at Miu getting hurt is clearly backfiring on him given how badly he got his ass handed to him.

probably because of that Seidou Gou move. He was doing the same hand movements he did when he used it in his fight against Kenichi. maybe it undid his paraplegic state?

It's sad that Berserk still has more screentime than Siegfried considering that his fight was another anticipated one. Instead I had to suffer through the ending of the Lugh and Takeda fight.

Berserker was giving Kenichi trouble and he didn't go into his berserker mode yet: or did he realize that it wasn't viable against more skilled opponents?

And Rimi should stay dead if her only other alternative is to join the "girls who can't take a hint" club.

Gecko4lif
The lack of berserker is hurting the series

socool8520
Wow. I must be the only guy who found Beserker uninteresting. He has no real style or relevance imo....As far as stoic no-nonsense bad asses go, I would definitely prefer Boris or Ethan over Beserker personally.

socool8520
Originally posted by danteiscool
you have a point there. still, Kenichi is usually a caring guy so maybe he'll feel bad for Rimi later.

well it's not like Berserker was going all out either while Kenichi appeared to be more on the defensive for the portion of the fight we did see. hell, not even Kenichi's ryuusei sekuken worked against him, so who knows how strong Berserker really is.

I'm sure he will. Looking back a few chapters, Kenichi actually did voice concern about Rimi using the two paths or whatever, and he even tried to get Ogata to stop. He tried to get her to stop even before Ryuuto did.

He was on the defensive because he wasn't interested in fighting Berserker. He was distracted by Miu and Rimi. There were several cheap shots and close blocks solely because Kenichi was distracted.

AuraAngel
Originally posted by socool8520
Well, you know, Rimi was trying to kill the love of his life just moments before. How many tears would you shed?

Why? He went up against Kenichi (not a good decision), and really didn't show much save for using a little dou ability. I expected Kenichi to pwn him honestly. Out of Ogata's disciples, I thought that Lugh was the most impressive.

That logic makes Kenichi look selfish lol.

His character was built up. When you build up a character there should be pay off, regardless of whether they win or not. But the fact that you didn't even expect him to challenge Kenichi speaks volumes about how invincible he's been lately. The last opponent to genuinely do anything to Kenichi was Koukin and that was too long ago to really matter.

dadudemon
I see Kenichi not really trying against Berserker, really. He hasn't tried to fight Berserker seriously, yet.

socool8520
Originally posted by AuraAngel
That logic makes Kenichi look selfish lol.

His character was built up. When you build up a character there should be pay off, regardless of whether they win or not. But the fact that you didn't even expect him to challenge Kenichi speaks volumes about how invincible he's been lately. The last opponent to genuinely do anything to Kenichi was Koukin and that was too long ago to really matter.

You must have missed the post a few spots down where I stated Kenichi's concern for Rimi when she was just beginning the dou/sei tech. He even voiced his concern before Ryuuto.

His character was built up a while ago. A sudden reappearance isn't what I would call a build up.

Not really invincible, but leaps and bound better yes. He still had a tough fight against the Muay thai Kid and got pwned by Miu, so I wouldn't say he is wrecking shop. I just gathered that Beserker didn't really improve much outside of releasing his dou ability, as to where kenichi has been mastering new moves and such.

socool8520
Originally posted by dadudemon
I see Kenichi not really trying against Berserker, really. He hasn't tried to fight Berserker seriously, yet.

he did state that he needed to take things seriously or Beserker might kill him. Now that he got pwned by Ogata (as it should be), it should make for a tough fight for Kenichi.

AuraAngel
Originally posted by socool8520
You must have missed the post a few spots down where I stated Kenichi's concern for Rimi when she was just beginning the dou/sei tech. He even voiced his concern before Ryuuto.

His character was built up a while ago. A sudden reappearance isn't what I would call a build up.

Not really invincible, but leaps and bound better yes. He still had a tough fight against the Muay thai Kid and got pwned by Miu, so I wouldn't say he is wrecking shop. I just gathered that Beserker didn't really improve much outside of releasing his dou ability, as to where kenichi has been mastering new moves and such.

And yet his beef with Ogata isn't "You're a monster who uses your disciples" but rather "You touched Miu you bastard!"

Yes it does lol. That is the whole backbone to the idea of a timeskip for instance.

He got pwned by Miu but considering he was never fighting to hurt Miu like he was with the others it hardly matters. And again the Koukin fight was ages ago.

socool8520
Originally posted by AuraAngel
And yet his beef with Ogata isn't "You're a monster who uses your disciples" but rather "You touched Miu you bastard!"

Yes it does lol. That is the whole backbone to the idea of a timeskip for instance.

He got pwned by Miu but considering he was never fighting to hurt Miu like he was with the others it hardly matters. And again the Koukin fight was ages ago.


At the moment yes. I'd be pretty pissed if someone punked my girl too. The guy has empathy, but he's still human. Ryuuto was taking care of the Rimi issue.

I meant in terms of power.

Yes he was, especially when she was influenced by Jenezad. He was really trying to hurt her. Those fights weren't that long ago

NemeBro
Originally posted by socool8520
Wow. I must be the only guy who found Beserker uninteresting. He has no real style or relevance imo....As far as stoic no-nonsense bad asses go, I would definitely prefer Boris or Ethan over Beserker personally. Well that's probably because you have terrible taste.

Also, Berserker is implied by Lugh to be the strongest of Ogata's disciples. When fighting Takeda the first time, he complimented his skill while noting that his style was a bad match against Lugh's submission techniques, and when noting that he could have done well against Ryuuto, Tanimoto, and "even Berserker", implying that Berserker is particularly powerful. It makes sense. Keep in mind he was a good fight for Tanimoto with zero training. Now, he has had over a year to train, into his own self-made style.

"Didn't improve much", lol.

He could use Seikuken with his elbows, which Kenichi noted was a genius application of the move, condensing the circle so that his counters packed more power to them.

socool8520
Originally posted by NemeBro
Well that's probably because you have terrible taste.

Also, Berserker is implied by Lugh to be the strongest of Ogata's disciples. When fighting Takeda the first time, he complimented his skill while noting that his style was a bad match against Lugh's submission techniques, and when noting that he could have done well against Ryuuto, Tanimoto, and "even Berserker", implying that Berserker is particularly powerful. It makes sense. Keep in mind he was a good fight for Tanimoto with zero training. Now, he has had over a year to train, into his own self-made style.

"Didn't improve much", lol.

He could use Seikuken with his elbows, which Kenichi noted was a genius application of the move, condensing the circle so that his counters packed more power to them.

Coming from you this means very little. lol


No he wasn't. Lugh simply implied that Beserker's style would have actually made a better (more exciting) fight against Takeda's boxing. If anything, Lugh was implying that his grappling skills would make him superior to Beserker and the other disciples in regards to fighting Takeda. In fact, Ryuuto states that Kensei said that Lugh would have the greatest potential of being a ki master. If anyone is getting accoladeds, it's Lugh.

He called it a genius move....big deal. Kenichi has countered everything Beserker's been doing save for when he is distracted by the Miu and Rimi fight.

dadudemon
Nemebro is most likely correct. However, until he (Nemebro) is proven right, I choose to agree with your argument, socool8520.

NemeBro
Originally posted by socool8520
Coming from you this means very little. lol


No he wasn't. Lugh simply implied that Beserker's style would have actually made a better (more exciting) fight against Takeda's boxing. If anything, Lugh was implying that his grappling skills would make him superior to Beserker and the other disciples in regards to fighting Takeda. In fact, Ryuuto states that Kensei said that Lugh would have the greatest potential of being a ki master. If anyone is getting accoladeds, it's Lugh.

He called it a genius move....big deal. Kenichi has countered everything Beserker's been doing save for when he is distracted by the Miu and Rimi fight. It should mean a lot. I have exquisite taste.

Yes he was, you clearly are lacking in reading comprehension, and that you could have responded to this without actually countering anything is impressive.

No shit Lugh said that Takeda would do better against Berserker, and that Lugh would beat Takeda more easily than the other disciples. I just said that. But when he brought up Berserker, he placed more emphasis that "even Berserker" would have a harder time with Takeda, implying that, in terms of overall prowess, Berserker is numero uno. "Even", used as an adverb like now, is used to emphasize something surprising. Why else would Takeda having a better fight against Berserker be surprising?

Lugh was said to be the shit in terms of control over his ki, sure.

But Berserker is noted to also have potential.

Despite it being unrefined, using his Dou Ki he straight up negated Ryuusei Seikuken. This is a feat even Shou Kano couldn't manage.

Berserker has also been paying attention to the Miu vs. Rimi fight, though it seems you were not paying attention to Berserker.

http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/500/7

"If he had attacked me it would've been bad!"

Berserker could have ****ed him up right away.

http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/500/9

Notice how Berserker is overwhelming Kenichi.

Also:

http://www.mangapanda.com/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/512/7

Berserker: ... Interesting technique.

Lawl.

dadudemon
So, basically, you have shit for evidence. STFU and GTFO until you have real evidence.

Also, reported to Zardoz and St. Patrick.

socool8520
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nemebro is most likely correct. However, until he (Nemebro) is proven right, I choose to agree with your argument, socool8520.

I'm not saying Beserker isn't a good fighter or even considered strong, that much WAS implied. I just disagree the degree of implication that Beserker is no. 1. To me, it seemed like Lugh was talking himself up, not the others. Not to mention Ryuuto talking Lugh up.

socool8520
Originally posted by NemeBro
It should mean a lot. I have exquisite taste.

Yes he was, you clearly are lacking in reading comprehension, and that you could have responded to this without actually countering anything is impressive.

No shit Lugh said that Takeda would do better against Berserker, and that Lugh would beat Takeda more easily than the other disciples. I just said that. But when he brought up Berserker, he placed more emphasis that "even Berserker" would have a harder time with Takeda, implying that, in terms of overall prowess, Berserker is numero uno. "Even", used as an adverb like now, is used to emphasize something surprising. Why else would Takeda having a better fight against Berserker be surprising?

Lugh was said to be the shit in terms of control over his ki, sure.

But Berserker is noted to also have potential.

Despite it being unrefined, using his Dou Ki he straight up negated Ryuusei Seikuken. This is a feat even Shou Kano couldn't manage.

Berserker has also been paying attention to the Miu vs. Rimi fight, though it seems you were not paying attention to Berserker.


Being stronger than a man in a wheelchair......Man that Beserker is a beast. laughing Atalantae had already unleashed her dou ki before beserker, so it looks like Lugh was wrong, although in his defense, he didn't know that yet. Not to mention that Rimi was fighting on par with Miu, something not even Kenichi can do.

Never said he didn't have potential. Just that he wasn't the best.

No, but Shou just utterly out performed Kenichi in every other category save for endurance. Kenichi could hardly, if at all, block Kano's attacks. A far cry from what he is doing against Besrker.

Please....He has not been nearly as distracted by that fight as Kenichi has.

Sorry, I didn't post scans...I assumed you read all the pages, not just the pro Beserker ones. lol

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c500/15.html
There's Kenichi dodging all of his attacks. He wasn't doing this to Shou.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c503/10.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c503/11.html
There he is overpowering Beserker.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c511/4.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c513/6.html
Still evaded when he wasn't paying attention

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c511/8.html
Evaded again

You could call it a struggle if you want, but it is nothing like the clean hits he has taken from other fights.

wakkawakkawakka
I love Ogata..."Today is such a good day when two martial artists tag team me in vain." completely ignoring the girl that just died from testing out one of his techniques.

Needless to say, Kenichi and Ryuto's combo was impressive.

danteiscool
that's just how Ogata is. and the fans like him for it since that's how guys like him are supposed to be.

it definitely was a good combo. just goes to show that despite having not seen each other in some time, the two are still good friends and it shows in their attacks.

AuraAngel
If they really do manage to do anything to Ogata I'll be annoyed.

That said Ogata and Ryuto are way cooler characters. They should be the main characters.

dadudemon
Originally posted by AuraAngel
That said Ogata and Ryuto are way cooler characters. They should be the main characters.

That would be pretty cool, actually.

socool8520
Originally posted by AuraAngel
If they really do manage to do anything to Ogata I'll be annoyed.

That said Ogata and Ryuto are way cooler characters. They should be the main characters.


I agree. Ogata should be way, way out of their league. Hell, Diego Carlo should be way out of their league. lol However, their teamwork is impressive. I'm sure Ogata is going to want to see how Ryuuto is able to balance both ki types, even if only for 30 seconds. If he has figured it out to that degree, then Ogata should be able to do it for longer, or even master it.

As the main villains, sure...Of the series, nah. I guess I just get attached to the main character, but I like Kenichi. His continued development, both physically and mentally, have me on his side. Ryuuto is a cool I guess, but his reasons for fighting seem a bit weak to me. Ogata is a very interesting person though. It's probably because I don't see him as wholely evil. I still like Hongo better though.

danteiscool
I agree with you on these points. chances are though, given Ogata's status as an elite master, he probably somehow managed to block that last attack of Ryuto's. even if it did land, however unlikely, Ogata probably won't be that fazed.

and Ryuto while cool, isn't as cool a character as Kenichi as I too find his continual growth to be a great point of hte series. and Ogata isn't exactly evil, he just follows the Satsujinken path as he seems to believe that will further allow him to improve and better martial arts, which he loves with all his heart, unlike Hongo who seems to be motivated solely by promises.

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