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Big News! New decade, and new Editor in Chief at Marvel! Alex Alonso replaces Quesada (who was promoted a month or so ago) as Marvel EiC.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30169

What do you guys think? Worried? Hopeful? I haven't been thrilled with the handling of the X-Men line under Alonso, and dispite some trash (OMD for example) Marvel under Quesade was the best it has been since the early - mid 80s.

**** Quesada

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
**** Quesada

Clearly somebody forgets the 90s and Marvel under Harras.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Clearly somebody forgets the 90s and Marvel under Harras.

Starting around 2000 marvel started sucking.

Originally posted by Black bolt z


Starting around 2000 marvel started sucking.

The 2000s was when Marvel stopped sucking... The only good thing out of Marvel in the 90s was Mark Waid's Cap run and Joe Kelly on Deadpool. Marvel under Quesada has had more critically acclaimed and seminal runs then anything that isn't called Vertigo.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The 2000s was when Marvel stopped sucking... no2

Originally posted by Black bolt z
no2


Miller on Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men and Kickass. Bendis on Daredevil, Alias, Powers and Ultimate Spider-man. BKV on Runaways. Fraction on Iron Man, and Iron Fist. Brubaker on Criminal, Captain America, Iron Fist and DD. Wheadon on Astonishing X-Men. Fraction on Iron-man. Araaon on Wolverine and Ghost Rider. Hickman on Fantastic Four, SHIELD and Secrete Warriors. Morrison on X-Men and Marvel Boy. Abnett and Lanning on GoG and Nova. Ellis on Next Wave and Iron Man. That is just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could think of more if I sat down and seriously tried to make a list.


If you think Marvel sucked in the 2000s you are an idiot. Not up for debate.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Miller on Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men and Kickass. Bendis on Daredevil, Alias, Powers and Ultimate Spider-man. BKV on Runaways. Fraction on Iron Man, and Iron Fist. Brubaker on Criminal, Captain America, Iron Fist and DD. Wheadon on Astonishing X-Men. Fraction on Iron-man. Araaon on Wolverine and Ghost Rider. Hickman on Fantastic Four, SHIELD and Secrete Warriors. Morrison on X-Men and Marvel Boy. Abnett and Lanning on GoG and Nova. Ellis on Next Wave and Iron Man. That is just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could think of more if I sat down and seriously tried to make a list.


If you think Marvel sucked in the 2000s you are an idiot. Not up for debate.

On the other hand: Secret Invasion, Civil War, Ultimate 3 and Ultimatum, and those little things... ONE MORE DAY, BRAND NEW DAY and ONE MOMENT IN TIME

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
On the other hand: Secret Invasion, Civil War, Ultimate 3 and Ultimatum, and those little things... ONE MORE DAY, BRAND NEW DAY and ONE MOMENT IN TIME
I liked civil war.

But lets not forget World War hulk, Messiah War, THE ****ING SENTRY!!!!!!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Miller on Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men and Kickass. Bendis on Daredevil, Alias, Powers and Ultimate Spider-man. BKV on Runaways. Fraction on Iron Man, and Iron Fist. Brubaker on Criminal, Captain America, Iron Fist and DD. Wheadon on Astonishing X-Men. Fraction on Iron-man. Araaon on Wolverine and Ghost Rider. Hickman on Fantastic Four, SHIELD and Secrete Warriors. Morrison on X-Men and Marvel Boy. Abnett and Lanning on GoG and Nova. Ellis on Next Wave and Iron Man. That is just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could think of more if I sat down and seriously tried to make a list.


If you think Marvel sucked in the 2000s you are an idiot. Not up for debate.

in all fairness, there was as much shite as there was good stuff. it's the nature of the beast.

marvel was no doubt at it's most successful under quesada, though.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Miller on Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men and Kickass. Bendis on Daredevil, Alias, Powers and Ultimate Spider-man. BKV on Runaways. Fraction on Iron Man, and Iron Fist. Brubaker on Criminal, Captain America, Iron Fist and DD. Wheadon on Astonishing X-Men. Fraction on Iron-man. Araaon on Wolverine and Ghost Rider. Hickman on Fantastic Four, SHIELD and Secrete Warriors. Morrison on X-Men and Marvel Boy. Abnett and Lanning on GoG and Nova. Ellis on Next Wave and Iron Man. That is just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could think of more if I sat down and seriously tried to make a list.


If you think Marvel sucked in the 2000s you are an idiot. Not up for debate. I didn't start I read a lot from the 2,000's and only the late(starting around '08) is good.IMO for the most part around '00-'07 wasn't that great

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The 2000s was when Marvel stopped sucking... The only good thing out of Marvel in the 90s was Mark Waid's Cap run and Joe Kelly on Deadpool. Marvel under Quesada has had more critically acclaimed and seminal runs then anything that isn't called Vertigo.

I agree. Look at the talent Joe Quesada brought to Marvel during the past decade - Brian Bendis, Mark Millar, Ed Brubaker, Garth Ennis, Grant Morrison (for the first half of the decade), JMS, Paul Jenkins, Mike Carey and that's just the writers. Plus Warren Ellis was a major force on several fronts.

don't really care one way or the other.. just want some decent stories and good artwork every once in a while

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
On the other hand: Secret Invasion, Civil War, Ultimate 3 and Ultimatum, and those little things... ONE MORE DAY, BRAND NEW DAY and ONE MOMENT IN TIME

Well not ground breaking or particularly amazing, neither Secret Invasion nor Civil War were bad by any definition of the word, they just were, and both had some amazing tie ins. I'll give you Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum were terrible, but other than those three Spider-man arcs Amazing Spider-man has been consistently better post OMD then it has been in two decades. Even at its worst (BND) Amazing was still head and shoulders above the Clone Saga and the rest of the 90s garbage. I would read OMD, BND and OMIT ten times over just to have chance to read Joe Kelly's Rage of the Rhino once.

I agree with BB Z. Marvel overall sucked in 2000. They did have some good stuff, but the same could be said about any decade/era. All of their "Mega events" sucked as well. The only thing I really cared about is IF.

The new guy? I hope he does well and better than Joe Q.

DC> Marvel in 2000.

Yeah the 90s overall were a pretty dire decade. I did enjoy some of it though - a lot of the Quasar run was fun (not the later stuff much), some of the very early 90s Avengers (at the end of the 80s/early 90s such as parts of Acts of Vengeance, Operation Galactic Storm), What If was still producing some enjoyable issues if you like that sort of thing, the later Captain America run, and Thunderbolts. And a few others that I can't quite remember. But as it went on it was mostly crap ponytails, leather jackets, earrings, stubbles, bad writing, bad art, and gimmick covers.

The 2000s were certainly commercially successful. The writing, art and print quality improved. Quite a few talented writers and even the bad stories still mostly looked better than the 90s. There was still a hell of a lot of terrible stuff - Ultimates 3/Ultimatum, OMD/BND/OMIT, Osborn doing Gwen Stacey, most of Civil War (a letdown in the end), Secret Invasion, Bendis disassembling the Avengers, a lot of X-Men stuff, a lot of the FF (just boring IMO) the Sentry mess, and plenty of others. Lots of letdown "events" where the plot went nowhere.

But I enjoyed seeing a lot of revamped characters come back and done well - Nova and the cosmic characters and Annihilation, GoG, Agents of Atlas, Iron Fist, and Thunderbolts was still a fun read. Hell they even managed to make Darkhawk sort of interesting.

However for establishing the Marvel Universe, and the introduction of important and long lasting characters, the 60s and 70s are hard to beat.

Originally posted by basilisk
Yeah the 90s overall were a pretty dire decade. I did enjoy some of it though - a lot of the Quasar run was fun (not the later stuff much), some of the very early 90s Avengers (at the end of the 80s/early 90s such as parts of Acts of Vengeance, Operation Galactic Storm), What If was still producing some enjoyable issues if you like that sort of thing, the later Captain America run, and Thunderbolts. And a few others that I can't quite remember. But as it went on it was mostly crap ponytails, leather jackets, earrings, stubbles, bad writing, bad art, and gimmick covers.

The 2000s were certainly commercially successful. The writing, art and print quality improved. Quite a few talented writers and even the bad stories still mostly looked better than the 90s. There was still a hell of a lot of terrible stuff - Ultimates 3/Ultimatum, OMD/BND/OMIT, Osborn doing Gwen Stacey, most of Civil War (a letdown in the end), Secret Invasion, Bendis disassembling the Avengers, a lot of X-Men stuff, a lot of the FF (just boring IMO) the Sentry mess, and plenty of others. Lots of letdown "events" where the plot went nowhere.

But I enjoyed seeing a lot of revamped characters come back and done well - Nova and the cosmic characters and Annihilation, GoG, Agents of Atlas, Iron Fist, and Thunderbolts was still a fun read. Hell they even managed to make Darkhawk sort of interesting.

However for establishing the Marvel Universe, and the introduction of important and long lasting characters, the 60s and 70s are hard to beat.

Yep, I agree with this. I did like the Sentry mini series that first introduced him. Great stuff. Bendis had to ruin the MU, IMO.

70's was better. Same with 80's.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
**** Quesada My sentiments!

Other than Avengers, if you even count that, I still refuse to buy anything Spiderman since OMD until its fixed.
And he's always my favorite character since childhood. He's basically what got me into comics. Well him n the X-Men but mostly him.

General statements about companies (and EiC's) are general.



...chances are any one of us would vaguely dislike about 1/3 of Marvel's books in the next decade, be indifferent toward 1/3, and like about 1/3 if we were to read them all, regardless of who the EiC is.

Also, anyone boycotting Spidey due to OMD is missing out, the OMD stuff was indeed nonsense but it's been put in the rear-view for some time and has been a lot of fun. Do yourselves a favor and jump back 1-2 issues to the start of "Big Time." Or even a bit further back to Grim Hunt. Neither having anything to do with the continuity cluster****, but both really well done.

hope mr. alonso does well

I think the 1990's was Marvel's weakest decade, artistically. That's why the last ten years feels like a rebound.

Highlights of the decade for them: Marvels, Andy & Adam Kubert, George Perez, Jim Starlin, Peter David, Deadpool.

But weigh that against Rob Liefeld, Heroes Reborn, The Clone Saga, the bankruptcy...

Yeah I hate what Marvel has done with some characters. I mean they killed thanos 3 times and brought him back 3 times all in like 5 years.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Yeah I hate what Marvel has done with some characters. I mean they killed thanos 3 times and brought him back 3 times all in like 5 years.

You know Thanos sat out pretty much the entire 80's decade?
When there was talk by the writer of Silver Surfer in the late 1980's (Steve Engelhart) about bringing back Thanos, Editor In Chief Tom DeFalco didn't even know who he was. That's how far in the background he was.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
**** Quesada

Originally posted by roughrider
I.

But weigh that against Rob Liefeld, Heroes Reborn, The Clone Saga, the bankruptcy...

Fantastic Four's Heroes Reborn was good unless you mean what Rob Liefield was involved with for that.

Originally posted by roughrider
You know Thanos sat out pretty much the entire 80's decade?
When there was talk by the writer of Silver Surfer in the late 1980's (Steve Engelhart) about bringing back Thanos, Editor In Chief Tom DeFalco didn't even know who he was. That's how far in the background he was. What do you mean he sat out the 80's? He was in a lot in the 80's.

And if they wanted to bring him back in the 2000's fine. Just don't bring back, kill, bring back, kill, bring back, kill.