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This is all the info available so far. Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot point blank in the head at a public event at a grocery store. Twelve other people were also shot.

Is it confirmed?

I haven't heard of her before, but her stances on the wikipedia page seem respectable.

This is everything that's known so far.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/09/palin-targets-health-care-law-supporters-on-site/1

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

EDIT:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/eyewitness-report-15-20-gunshots-at-rep-gabrielle-giffords-shooting-2-6-bodies/



according to a video interview with an eye-witness, the shooters are still at large too. apparently this guy saw her moving as they put Giffords on a stretcher

EDIT2: this is in contrast to NPR, who has reported she is dead (though later says he condition was unknown) and reports the suspect was tackled and taken into custody

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/08/132764367/congresswoman-shot-in-arizona

EDIT3: her last tweet:

http://twitpic.com/3o7ena

some black humour to say the least

I hope she survives (or that she hasn't actually been harmed), but I guess with "point-blank in the head" it is unlikely.

Apparently 12 others got shot, too.

I also found this.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/09/palin-targets-health-care-law-supporters-on-site/1



Of course we don't know if that had anything to do with it, but it's is undeniable that those right-wing nutjobs like Palin, Beck and Limbaugh incite violence with their hate speech.

She's been threatened and her office has been vandalized before and they're looking at the healthcare and immigration reform positions as catalysts. The really sad thing about this is that assassinations work. Hence why presidents haven't taken and real risks since Kennedy.

NPR is reporting that Giffords is dead.

Update: Six others are being reported as dead by NPR and local radio stations.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
NPR is reporting that Giffords is dead.

Update: Six others are being reported as dead by NPR and local radio stations.

reuters has allegedly confirmed this, but idk

the huffington post has:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords-dead-dies_n_806220.html

EDIT:

Palin's map:

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/sarahpac_0.jpg

http://www.alan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/RELOAD.png

though, I suppose it is too early to say for sure that this is in any way related to Giffords politics...

Originally posted by inimalist
reuters has allegedly confirmed this, but idk

the huffington post has:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords-dead-dies_n_806220.html


Well, typically unless the bullet grazes one of the harder bones such as the brow, it's a fatal injury. And yeah, it's been confirmed by pretty much everyone. 12 people shot, 3 dead on the scene, 3 more dead at the hospital, Giffords also dead.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Well, typically unless the bullet grazes one of the harder bones such as the brow, it's a fatal injury. And yeah, it's been confirmed by pretty much everyone. 12 people shot, 3 dead on the scene, 3 more dead at the hospital, Giffords also dead.

forgive me for being skeptical of "up-to-the-minute" reporting.

though, ya, it does seem confirmed

EDIT: CNN is now saying law enforcement has confirmed Giffords is dead.

Great quote. Sheriff and personal friend rushing to the scene telling MSNBC that he blames all the "inflammatory crap on radio and television".

Originally posted by inimalist
http://www.alan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/RELOAD.png

though, I suppose it is too early to say for sure that this is in any way related to Giffords politics...

Was that really her response?

now conflicting reports: apparently MSNBC is reporting Giffords is in surgery EDIT: PBS also reporting this

EDIT: though most reports still say she is dead, it was apparently a hospital spokesman who said she was in surgery, and I'm basically just posting people's twitter feeds, so I'll wait for some more links...

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Great quote. Sheriff and personal friend rushing to the scene telling MSNBC that he blames all the "inflammatory crap on radio and television".

a map with cross-hairs and her name on it does seem a little "inciting" to me...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Was that really her response?

no, sorry, I should have made it clearer, this was how she was promoting her site that targeted the 20 congressional seats that supported health care

Originally posted by inimalist
no, sorry, I should have made it clearer, this was how she was promoting her site that targeted the 20 congressional seats that supported health care

I see, but it does make it much harder for her to claim she wasn't trying to incite violence.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I see, but it does make it much harder for her to claim she wasn't trying to incite violence.

thats why I posted it. I found it directly below the map, after seeing that piece of work for the first time, and wondered what ever happened to saying this kind of stuff in code?

like, there is no level of sophistication to her message, it seems to be, pretty much, shoot these people

Originally posted by inimalist
reuters has allegedly confirmed this, but idk

the huffington post has:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords-dead-dies_n_806220.html

EDIT:

Palin's map:

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/sarahpac_0.jpg

Wow. There is like no good way she can spin that map. **** is that inappropriate.

I wonder how she'll update it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I see, but it does make it much harder for her to claim she wasn't trying to incite violence.

Well you know, you have a Jewish Democratic Congresswoman taking supposedly controversial positions in a state where the Governor is conducting her own death panels and blaming democrats and where the National Socialist Movement dominates the Republican Party. A Party that has members in power despite repeated violations of the 14th Amendment in the way they have aided and abetted radical domestic terrorist movements and threatened their opponents with death. A party whose coward ***** mother****er sycophants in the "news" business have been egging people on since the early 90's resulting in several incidents of violence and murder.

And then this happens. Duh.

This is what happens when you don't enforce your own laws and your own constitution and when you tolerate fascists in your midst.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Wow. There is like no good way she can spin that map. **** is that inappropriate.

I wonder how she'll update it.

Well she's an idiot. 5 bucks says she has a verbal gaffe and uses the words kike or sheeny in her response.

From the NYT:



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html

there are always conflicting reports with this "as-it-happens" stuff. hell, 90% of the 9/11 conspiracy theories depend on it

EDIT:

the globe and mail has raw video of the aftermath:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/video/aftermath-of-tucson-shooting/article1862802/

EDIT: ABCnews is saying the husband has now confirmed she is in surgery, trying to find a decent link...

Report-one of the victims was a federal judge.

a congressional aide was killed...

so, a congresswoman, an aide and a federal judge attacked... wouldn't this be one of the largest acts of political violence in, at least modern, American history?

Palin responds to the shooting:

http://twitpic.com/3o7vsy

Originally posted by inimalist
a congressional aide was killed...

so, a congresswoman, an aide and a federal judge attacked... wouldn't this be one of the largest acts of political violence in, at least modern, American history?

No, that would be the Reichstag Fire...er 9/11

Originally posted by Darth Jello
No, that would be the Reichstag Fire...er 9/11

how many judges were attacked then?

Originally posted by inimalist
Palin responds to the shooting:

http://twitpic.com/3o7vsy

"PS. On the other hand, I call on her and the other children of Abraham to refudiate the killing of our lord Jesus Christ don'tcha know! Wouldn't that just be a GAS? To my supporters, DEATH PANELS!!! RELOAD! RELOAD!"

Originally posted by inimalist
how many judges were attacked then?

You said political violence. I interpreted that as politically motivated violence, not as how many politicians were killed in one day.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
"PS. On the other hand, I call on her and the other children of Abraham to refudiate the killing of our lord Jesus Christ don'tcha know! Wouldn't that just be a GAS? To my supporters, DEATH PANELS!!! RELOAD! RELOAD!"

ok, but seriously, how the **** do you get away with making a map of politicians, with cross-haris targeting them, and then saying "take it back, don't retreat, reload!"?

like, how does this happen? I want to just conclude that americans are crazy.. but that doesn't seem right...

Originally posted by Darth Jello
You said political violence. I interpreted that as politically motivated violence, not as how many politicians were killed in one day.

I meant more the latter, idk, "assassination with the largest body count" or something

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, but seriously, how the **** do you get away with making a map of politicians, with cross-haris targeting them, and then saying "take it back, don't retreat, reload!"?

like, how does this happen? I want to just conclude that americans are crazy.. but that doesn't seem right...

Um, that's minor. Look at the last 20 years. Look at G Gordon Liddy telling his listeners how to kill federal agents. Look at Sharon Angle encouraging her supports to murder Harry Reid. Allen West encouraging his supporters to violently rebel etc.

Classical fascism- oppression at the bottom, lawlessness at the top.

Now for more shitty news. Your wife gets shot and your in space. That really sucks.

Palin just took down her website that had the map on it

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Um, that's minor. Look at the last 20 years. Look at G Gordon Liddy telling his listeners how to kill federal agents. Look at Sharon Angle encouraging her supports to murder Harry Reid. Allen West encouraging his supporters to violently rebel etc.

did these people hold office at the time? maybe its just your political culture. I can't imagine anything like that here, there is a national inquiry if someone calls another politician a bad name.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Now for more shitty news. Your wife gets shot and your in space. That really sucks.

zing

Palin doesn't hold office but a lot of those other people like Rick Perry and Steve King did hold office and currently hold office.

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, but seriously, how the **** do you get away with making a map of politicians, with cross-haris targeting them, and then saying "take it back, don't retreat, reload!"?

like, how does this happen? I want to just conclude that americans are crazy.. but that doesn't seem right...

Because the idea of punishing people for incitement to violence makes Americans feel like they're suppressing basic civil liberties.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because the idea of punishing people for incitement to violence makes Americans feel like they're suppressing basic civil liberties.

He's Canadian, he's not familiar with "Managed democracy".

We also don't have the one advantage that a constitutional monarchy offers- When the government becomes crazy, the queen dissolves it.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Palin doesn't hold office but a lot of those other people like Rick Perry and Steve King did hold office and currently hold office.

shit, i totally forgot she didn't... my bad

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because the idea of punishing people for incitement to violence makes Americans feel like they're suppressing basic civil liberties.

I suppose, but isn't there even a matter of "tact"? like, even if we don't think it is illegal, it is clearly in poor taste

Originally posted by Darth Jello
He's Canadian, he's not familiar with "Managed democracy".

ha! thats a "grass is always greener" scenario right there. We ain't no utopia

(my friend just started a blog on the matter actually, http://referendaldictatorship.blogspot.com/ its pretty decent )

Originally posted by Darth Jello
We also don't have the one advantage that a constitutional monarchy offers- When the government becomes crazy, the queen dissolves it.

oh, we are going to have to agree to disagree there my friend.

This unfortunately should not be very surprising. It has been building for a long time.

When you have people like Glenn Beck stirring anger towards the government for ratings and money, Palin putting crosshairs over people that she disagrees with, and Senate candidates saying that second amendment remedies are on the table if you are unhappy with the way representatives are doing their jobs, there is only one destination.

Looks like the guy was really just insane. I've seen links to his YouTube account, it's got videos about mind controllers and stuff.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Looks like the guy was really just insane. I've seen links to his YouTube account, it's got videos about mind controllers and stuff.

He's a redneck who hates the govt, in other words, a younger version of McVeigh.

it fits the MO, walking into a public place and just letting rip like that

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
He's a redneck who hates the govt, in other words, a younger version of McVeigh.

People who know him say he was generally liberal.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Looks like the guy was really just insane. I've seen links to his YouTube account, it's got videos about mind controllers and stuff.

Yeah just a crazy guy.

Let me tell you a little story.

See there was this guy. A really crazy guy who was an oil man and he decided to really change the world so he started this religious ministry to help kids all over the world. But that ministry really really wanted to help people so it took a lot of its food money and used to turn people into crazy guys so they could roll a few South American and African countries. Now one of the volunteers for this mission became a crazy guy himself and he for some reason decided the world was full of phonies so he went out and shot and killed the guy who he thought was the king of the phonies who happened to be a center point of liberal opposition and an ex-Beatle.

Now this same crazy guy was friends with the founder's son. Now the founder, being kind of a crazy guy was friends with another oil man and a conniving snake of a Hollywood actor who had just been elected president and vice president of the United States. Now the president didn't think that taxes on oil should be lowered quite as much as the crazy guy and the vice president thought they should. So for some reason, the crazy guy's son turned even crazier and opened fire on the president and his entourage.

Funny how there are so many crazy guys who have such impeccable timing, huh?

As for this crazy guy, just like the Ft. Hood shootings, what happened to the reports of the police TRACKING DOWN HIS ACCOMPLICES THAT WAS JUST REPORTED AND THEN SUDDENLY SQUASHED?

Keep the conspiracy theory out of here, DJ.

ha, boy do i have my foot in my mouth after posting all that palin stuff

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Keep the conspiracy theory out of here, DJ.

What theories? The news reports came out about collaborators being detained and then suddenly stopped. Explain that.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
What theories? The news reports came out about collaborators being detained and then suddenly stopped. Explain that.

I am not here to discuss it with you. If you don't cut it out, you will be warned.

God Bless America... facepalm

Because if MSNBC and Fox report it and then stop talking about it, it's a conspiracy theory. You're out of line.

Your whole post was talking conspiracy theory. That's an official warning now for arguing the point. Do it again and it is a ban.

Alright, calm down, down get all martinet on me. I'll behave.

This happened in my town, talk about a media frenzy. Now, they are now investigating a "suspicious device" found at her political head quarters...

City officials are also using the word "was" a lot when talking about her... hmm.

This is a sad story. I hope she lives and regains all of her mental faculties.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is a sad story. I hope she lives and regains all of her mental faculties.
It all depends on brain plasticity and what the doctors can do and map out. If she's left-handed it's trickier because lefty brains sometimes assign tasks to different parts haphazardly. Even if there aren't any serious problems with mobility or cognition, she could still suffer from mood swings and significant personality changes. Right now the main concern in terms of surviving is probably infection, bleeding and/or intracranial pressure. It's a TBI so there may be some serious issues with returning to the job. Having what amount to corpses in suits like Strom Thurmond isn't something desirable.

Well, she's survived surgery and has responded to verbal commands from doctors, so they're optimistic for her recovery, but it'll be a few days before anyone will know for sure.

Six people in total died - including a judge, one of Giffords' aides, and a nine-year-old girl.

And the WBC is up to their usual disgusting bullshit.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
It all depends on brain plasticity and what the doctors can do and map out.

at her age, it would be much more a matter of overlapping/redundant/or what are called "degressive" (god, i think thats the term......) systems that would compensate, rather than true plasticity rewiring the function

Originally posted by Peach
And the WBC is up to their usual disgusting bullshit.

god hates 9 year olds

2011 isn't starting good.

There's info coming out that yeah, they have arrested a second suspect and that this kid may have had ties to American Renaissance and NSM

Originally posted by Peach

And the WBC is up to their usual disgusting bullshit.

When the Congresswoman makes her recovery and is released (because its looking that way), I wonder how they will explain it. God killed a kid, an employee of the target, and 4 old people, but spared the actual target--why? I'd like to hear Shirley Roper explain that.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/danny-davis-threat-giffords-113177769.html

Threats against another congressman-"You're Next"

Originally posted by Darth Jello
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/danny-davis-threat-giffords-113177769.html

Threats against another congressman-"You're Next"
Something tells me that this dudes no stranger to threats of violence.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/07/jared-loughner-to-spend-life-in-prison-after-pleading-guilty-to-killing-six-shooting-gabrielle-giffords-in-the-head/

I find it kind of strange... I don't believe in the death penalty at all, but at the same time, this feels like there are so many things left unanswered. By just confessing, the public never gets any access to what motivated or caused the event, just a face to pin it on. idk, I'm probably too interested in how these people work psychologically, so it will probably always feel that way without full disclosure, to me at least.