Obama attempts to court Reaganistas in a pathetic display of weakness.

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Zeal Ex Nihilo
Signing a bill to honor the man who quietly murdered the American dream.

Obama gives Reagan a sloppy blowjob.

What a coward. STOP TRYING TO APPEASE THE REPUBLICANS THAT WANT TO DESTROY YOU, YOU SPINELESS NEOCON TOOL.

Robtard
Your anger clouds your judgment. If this is to appease anyone, it is to appease mid-right leaning voters.

It's Obama being smart and helping himself in the 2012 election.

Darth Jello
Actually he's a spineless neocon tool for continuing torture programs and wars, bailing out financial institutions, not declaring the chamber of commerce a terrorist organization, and gutting LIHEAP and community block grants in order to pay for tax cuts and refunds to millionaires and billionaires who don't pay their fair share or any taxes at all.

inimalist
Originally posted by Robtard
It's Obama being smart and helping himself in the 2012 election.

he is appealing to people who just spent millions of dollars electing democrats out of office. The only way he could make them happy is by being more republican than are the republicans themselves, and they will still spend the millions on getting him elected out.

You think the chamber of commerce or Regan era republicans will back a democrat? a black democrat (socialist nazi communist muslim terrorist anti-christ)?

Robtard
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Actually he's a spineless neocon tool for continuing torture programs and wars, bailing out financial institutions, not declaring the chamber of commerce a terrorist organization, and gutting LIHEAP and community block grants in order to pay for tax cuts and refunds to millionaires and billionaires who don't pay their fair share or any taxes at all.

Sounds like you're a commie-socialist lib'ral.

Darth Jello
Originally posted by inimalist
You think the chamber of commerce or Regan era republicans will back a democrat? a black democrat (socialist nazi communist muslim terrorist anti-christ)?

I have a better solution. When most if not all of your political opponents control the system financially and are breaking the law, use your your ****ing executive power to ENFORCE the existing law and take that money and power away from them. You've got major lobbying groups and their heads, several US Congressmen, countless businessmen and bankers publicy comitting crimes that are serious, impeachable, and often capital. Obama could destroy the entire corrupt system, end the debt, and begin restoring employment within three months if he really wanted to.

inimalist
Originally posted by Darth Jello
I have a better solution. When most if not all of your political opponents control the system financially and are breaking the law, use your your ****ing executive power to ENFORCE the existing law and take that money and power away from them. You've got major lobbying groups and their heads, several US Congressmen, countless businessmen and bankers publicy comitting crimes that are serious, impeachable, and often capital. Obama could destroy the entire corrupt system, end the debt, and begin restoring employment within three months if he really wanted to.

bingo

Robtard
Originally posted by inimalist
he is appealing to people who just spent millions of dollars electing democrats out of office. The only way he could make them happy is by being more republican than are the republicans themselves, and they will still spend the millions on getting him elected out.

You think the chamber of commerce or Regan era republicans will back a democrat? a black democrat (socialist nazi communist muslim terrorist anti-christ)?

Not, not them. It is to appease mid-right leaning voters.

US Presidents are pretty much guaranteed a large number of votes for them and a large number of votes against them, no matter what, just depends if they have an "R" or "D" next to their name.

King Kandy
Blah blah blah, he's been doing that since day one. Just usually not so literally.

Darth Jello
The Chamber of Commerce shouldn't matter. Considering their activities and that we're in this weird semi-state of war, Obama could have all their members in Guantanamo Bay and Tom Donahue in front of a firing squad in three days. Again, IF HE WANTED TO.

RE: Blaxican
That would be political suicide, though. I don't know why anyone would do that. Possibly even literal suicide.

jinXed by JaNx
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Actually he's a spineless neocon tool for continuing torture programs and wars, bailing out financial institutions, not declaring the chamber of commerce a terrorist organization, and gutting LIHEAP and community block grants in order to pay for tax cuts and refunds to millionaires and billionaires who don't pay their fair share or any taxes at all.

Solutions: term limits, pull out of the U.N., lift all moratoriums on drilling, abolish the EPA's bias against self perpetuating energy, disband the FCC, abolish the war on drugs, dissolve the CIA or let them do their damn job, ****in fair tax!, & finally try all George Soros organizations under RICO statutes. Thank u & goodnight. Oh, & build some ****in schools that aren't founded in government dependancy

Darth Jello
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That would be political suicide, though. I don't know why anyone would do that. Possibly even literal suicide. They facilitate bribery and treason. They're terrorists. Take them out.

Darth Jello
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Solutions: term limits, pull out of the U.N., lift all moratoriums on drilling, abolish the EPA's bias against self perpetuating energy, disband the FCC, abolish the war on drugs, dissolve the CIA or let them do their damn job, ****in fair tax!, & finally try all George Soros organizations under RICO statutes. Thank u & goodnight. Oh, & build some ****in schools that aren't founded in government dependancy so in other words privatize everything, abolish consumer protection, raise taxes by over 30% on everyone except rich people, and define lobbying against fascism as organized crime? What exactly is "self-perpetuating energy?

inimalist
Originally posted by Darth Jello
What exactly is "self-perpetuating energy?

duh, didn't you know, your car can run on water

skekUng
One only has to look at the cover of the latest issue of Time Magazine to see that President Obama (why is it so difficult for detractors and supporters alike to remember to shoehorn that title into any reference to him?) is practically a shoe-in for a second term. My support for him during the election and over the last two years has been contingent on his actions and behavior during a second term. What does it say more about, the Reaganistas or the Obamanites? (Ask yourself about Reagan then more than you do Obama now, and you'll see that my past statements about the Democrat party merrit consideration - along with people who poopoo the President sinply because he has a D in front of his name.) I have some very serious issues with Reagan-era policies and propoganda, but they come appalingly close to President Obama's. My hope for this President is that this is where the atheist, socialist, gay-marriage supporter will start to shift to politics of the party, rather than the other way around. Then again, the cover of Time Magazine doesn't make much difference to actual supporters the same way it does with Reaganistas. Must be that liberal media, pretending it doesn't have a conservative brother who gets just as much support and attention from their parents.

Darth Jello
Whatever that means.


Obama is a Corporatist Lemon Socialist which is the Republicans' favorite kind of socialist. He redistributes money to the wealthy and failing banks and corporations. I really hope someone better runs a primary against him or a third party can get enough to send his ass out of the white house. Bottom line is the whole system needs to be rebuilt. We need a Social Democratic Liberal Party, a Democratic conservative party, and a prison big enough to house the republican party, preferably located outside of Nome, Alaska.

skekUng
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Whatever that means.


Obama is a Corporatist Lemon Socialist which is the Republicans' favorite kind of socialist. He redistributes money to the wealthy and failing banks and corporations. I really hope someone better runs a primary against him or a third party can get enough to send his ass out of the white house. Bottom line is the whole system needs to be rebuilt. We need a Social Democratic Liberal Party, a Democratic conservative party, and a prison big enough to house the republican party, preferably located outside of Nome, Alaska.

Which part did you not understand?

No one is going to run a democrat primary against him. The republicans aren't going anywhere. He's shifting to the middle in order to get a second term, like every liberal has to in a nation of 55% self-identifying conservatives.

inimalist
Originally posted by skekUng
Which part did you not understand?

No one is going to run a democrat primary against him. The republicans aren't going anywhere. He's shifting to the middle in order to get a second term, like every liberal has to in a nation of 55% self-identifying conservatives.

but the "centre" he is moving toward is not the one that the American people hold. It is this constantly rightward shifting goal Obama seems to have, in an attempt to look centrist. However, such action only makes Reps pull even further right. The "centre" is shifting to a place where the majority of neither party sits. ie: nearly a trillion dollars in tax cuts, half of which went to the top 2%, in late 2010. This only made the Reps demand further tax cuts (which show up in his new budget, which also slashes low and middle class programs ), and after receiving these, their rhetoric is still that Obama hasn't done enough.

The majority of the American public has rallied since the recession that such Big-Business/Big-Government is not what they want, yet the "centre" position in Washington is tax-cuts for the rich.

EDIT: further still, Reps and Dems are now talking about slashing Social Security, a program that is expected to remain at a surpluss for years to come. In every type of poll ever, Social security has been the one thing Americans have said "do not cut", yet here are both Dems and Reps saying, "lets cut social security, as opposed to raising corporate tax". This "media centre" has nothing to do with what voters want, and any appeal to it from Obama is really only weakening his position.

skekUng
That 55% isn't swayed by reality, only by what they are told is conservative and Republican. The Republican agenda is to continue to move more and more to the right as a means of maintaining control. It's the exact conversation I had with Zeal before about Obama being about as actually liberal Bob Dole in the 90s. As long as the Republicans keep moving the center of the field further and further into the end zone, the more extreme the Democrat response to maintain some sort of opposition is going to be. he doesn't need all 55%, just a few points from it to win. At this point, he has no opposition, and likely little in that department from the Republicans.

There is always going to be a huge number of republicans that simply hate the President, and for all those reasons we've all discussed before. Nothing he does is going to change that. But, it is not a mystery what he is doing, nor is it just my opinion.

I'm also not certain that Social Security is on such stable footing, or has been in recent history.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Darth Jello
I have a better solution. When most if not all of your political opponents control the system financially and are breaking the law, use your your ****ing executive power to ENFORCE the existing law and take that money and power away from them. You've got major lobbying groups and their heads, several US Congressmen, countless businessmen and bankers publicy comitting crimes that are serious, impeachable, and often capital. Obama could destroy the entire corrupt system, end the debt, and begin restoring employment within three months if he really wanted to.

And become assassinated in the process. If not that, lose re-election. If not that, become impeached and then removed, forcibly. Or, a combination of the above.

Originally posted by inimalist
duh, didn't you know, your car can run on water

ALMOST true. Remember me linking you to that device that would cost about $500 that could be put into any home, and can purify water, make hydrogen, and be used to fuel your car? That's ALMOST free energy: just pay your water bill, lol.

But why on earth would ANYONE energy corporation want that? You could build entire electrical systems to run off of water and not have to rely on the power grid. No more fuel for your cars. And so forth. Trillions of dollars would be lost in just a single year, if it was "viral" enough. Why doesn't this piss of ever single living person on earth? Why isn't it gigantic news?

Hell, even the "older" vending machine sized devices were less than $10,000, so why aren't those in every single home and subsidized by the governments of all modern nations?

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Solutions: term limits, pull out of the U.N., lift all moratoriums on drilling, abolish the EPA's bias against self perpetuating energy, disband the FCC, abolish the war on drugs, dissolve the CIA or let them do their damn job, ****in fair tax!, & finally try all George Soros organizations under RICO statutes. Thank u & goodnight. Oh, & build some ****in schools that aren't founded in government dependancy

I agree with some of this. The FCC is a redundant agency but they have done some good. They do some bad, though. EPA (as we studied in class) has gigantic biases and really effed up "standards". The CIA needs an overhaul (inefficient reporting structure, "old" practices that really need an overhaul, budgeting inefficiencies, and so forth.) Fair tax is fair. I'm not sure if it was Jello or someone else, but they explained to me how they think the fair tax system should work and it sounded pretty good. I wouldn't do any more drilling, though. In fact, I want to move away, in a very very short time, from petroleum as our transportation fuel source.

Term limits exist.

We need to strengthen the power of the UN and stop being a fractured, immature, world.

Yeah, schools could always use improvement in the use. How? I'm still unsure.

Darth Jello
Originally posted by dadudemon
And become assassinated in the process. If not that, lose re-election. If not that, become impeached and then removed, forcibly. Or, a combination of the above.

You've hit the nail on the head exactly. POLITICAL VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM WORK. If they didn't work, the CIA wouldn't use them overseas and domestically as often as it does. They create a chilling effect. This is why we've had diminishing returns and increasing cowardice since Kennedy. In my opinion, if you aren't willing to risk assassination, you shouldn't be in politics and you certainly shouldn't be president. Plus the extra security causes a disconnect from the American people and show of weakness. I would open up the congress, the supreme court, and the White House back up and still have the president ride around in open top cars out of principle.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Darth Jello
You've hit the nail on the head exactly. POLITICAL VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM WORK. If they didn't work, the CIA wouldn't use them overseas and domestically as often as it does. They create a chilling effect. This is why we've had diminishing returns and increasing cowardice since Kennedy. In my opinion, if you aren't willing to risk assassination, you shouldn't be in politics and you certainly shouldn't be president. Plus the extra security causes a disconnect from the American people and show of weakness. I would open up the congress, the supreme court, and the White House back up and still have the president ride around in open top cars out of principle.

I agree.


If someone like Andrew Johnson tried that shit now days, he'd be dead in a week and be framed for killing a whore, raping children or having child porn, and money laundering. I am not joking. no expression

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