Maxima vs Black Bolt

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Existere
neutral battlefield

753
she would be a tough fight, but i think once the scream come sinto play, it'll be over. she has good chances if she blitzes though.

Galan007
I would side with Maxima more times than not. Personally, I think she could mind rape him before he could successfully speak.

753
how is his tp resistence? cant recall any feats

Galan007
Not sure.

If he has good TP resistance, then Max would have to go a different route.

leonidas
depends entirely on his tp feats. if he has nothing of significance, she ko's him pretty easily.

753
Originally posted by leonidas
depends entirely on his tp feats. if he has nothing of significance, she ko's him pretty easily. assume he does, how would she fare against him if mindraping is not an option?

Prep-Man
Maxima, but if she doesn't take him out at the start, black bolt.

marwash22
what's up with all the Maxima threads?

leonidas
if you're banning mindrape, i think you need to ban the scream as well then, because she couldn't take it. now, thing is, smurph knows bb pretty well so i'm assuming he thinks bb has some mind resistance since he made the thread. not sure how powerful maximus's tp is, but i'm pretty sure he's resisted that level at least. maybe bb DOES have some good mind feats that would let him last long enough to use the scream.

barring BOTH tp and scream i think it's a good match. bb can amp himself by absorbing electrons from the atmosphere and has stood toe-to-toe with glads so strength is a wash. she'll have a speed edge but i don't think that would be a significant part of this--she's not a speedster and i'd need to see some consistent speed feats to say she could blitz him. it's possible HE could do some mindrapage of his own with his electron powers as well. both have some good transmutation feats. i think he could cancel out her energy powers with his electron control too.

hrm. it's really very close. maybe a slight SLIGHT edge to boltagon. 6/10?

nice match smurph.

Existere
He's utterly ignored Maximus' tp in the past. Maximus has a fair range of power showings though, and I think it's a more interesting battle if we ignore telepathy and the scream, so let's go with that.

All other powers (including Maxima's tk and psi bolts) are game.

Zack Fair
Originally posted by marwash22
what's up with all the Maxima threads?

New trend. Fact she has so many powers combined with high physical stats makes coming up with matches a whole lot easier. Plus people are probably trying to find where to place her in a "tier list"

Existere
Mostly has to do with Galan's fancy shmancy new respect thread for her.

Black bolt z
Maxima might be able to mindrape BB but it certainly would not be easy for her. He has pretty good TP feats.

I'd side with Maxima 6/10.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Galan007
Not sure.

If he has good TP resistance, then Max would have to go a different route. funny enough, his brother "max" wasn't ever that successful in that endeavor

TricksterPriest
Maximus has fairly good TP powers, but I thought they were regressed and damaged due to BB screaming near him?

celeyhyga17
I know he has tp resistance.. But is it strong enough to defend against hers?? Funny thing is ive seen him mind rape others by manipulating electrons in the brain.. And no it wasnt against Maximus...

Existere
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I know he has tp resistance.. But is it strong enough to defend against hers?? Funny thing is ive seen him mind rape others by manipulating electrons in the brain.. And no it wasnt against Maximus... When else did he do that? I'd like to see the instance.

Galan007
Originally posted by Existere
I think it's a more interesting battle if we ignore telepathy and the scream, so let's go with that.

All other powers (including Maxima's tk and psi bolts) are game. Depends.

Do you think BB's power over electrons would allow him to manipulate Max's psionic attacks? If not, then a few psi-bolts would likely down him (they've incapacitated Supes in the past.) If so, then her bolts would essentially be useless, and she'd have to go the TK/h2h route -- which would make things a lot harder, but still within her grasp, imo.

Existere
Originally posted by Galan007
Depends.

Do you think BB's power over electrons would allow him to manipulate Max's psionic attacks? If not, then a few psi-bolts would likely down him (they've incapacitated Supes in the past.) If so, then her bolts would essentially be useless, and she'd have to go the TK/h2h route -- which would make things a lot harder, but still within her grasp, imo. Maybe. He's manipulated Warlock's karmic blasts in the past, and is probably familiar with psi-energy judging by how he's overcome his brother's powers.

Also, there's the shields that he's capable of creating that could simply block the blasts.

I think this probably goes to Maxima. I also think that his matter manipulation is a lot more robust than hers though, so that could be a good strategy for him.

Galan007
Originally posted by Existere
Maybe. He's manipulated Warlock's karmic blasts in the past, and is probably familiar with psi-energy judging by how he's overcome his brother's powers.

Also, there's the shields that he's capable of creating that could simply block the blasts.

I think this probably goes to Maxima. I also think that his matter manipulation is a lot more robust than hers though, so that could be a good strategy for him. Hm, are Warlock's karmic blasts the rough equivalent of psionic energy? If so, BB should be able to manipulate her psi-bolts. If he can't manipulate them, he would more than likely still be able to fair decently against them -- don't think he could just shrug them off, though (not even Supes can do that.)

Yeah, she's also got shielding of her own, but if he can manipulate her psi-bolts, he can likely manipulate her shields as well.

Matter manip could be a good path for him to travel -- as Max's isn't really much to talk about (costume changes are about as extensive as she's gotten with it.) I do think she'd take the majority, though -- even if BB can manipulate her psionic energies. She's still got uber strength/TK to fall back on.



....And BFR. shifty

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complexbrother
BB is vastly underated here.

Galan007
^ Don't think he's being underrated at all, actually.

All of his abilities have been mentioned.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Existere
When else did he do that? I'd like to see the instance.

Damnit.. I wish I could find that scan again.. IIRC, he did it in a room full of characters.. Like inside a spaceship??
He mind raped some dude who was psionically controlling others..??? dont quote me on that though.. Ill look for it as soon as I get home from work..

TricksterPriest
Isn't she still alot faster than him? How good is she at mult-tasking abilities? Like mindrape+blitz, or TK+TP, etc?

Rage.Of.Olympus
Black Bolt's mental based feats including the scene with Warlock:
Originally posted by Thorion
Affects Maximus' mind, who is a telepath himself.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/maximus.jpg

Defeats Leonus with a mind blast.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/mblasts.jpg

When a child uses his powerful mind to animate a huge statue, Black Bolt controls the child's mind and to stop the statue.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/pattern2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/pattern3.jpg

Uses his electron powers to break the same child's psychic link.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/pattern4.jpg

When Maximus swapped minds and bodies with Black Bolt, Black Bolt swaps the minds back.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/changemind.jpg

Black Bolt creates a hypno-pattern to hypnotize Mandarin.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/mandri.jpg

Black Bolt appearantly masks himself, so that the Sphinx's mind could not sense his approach.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/impossiblesh.jpg

Magneto uses to technology to try control Black Bolt. Black Bolt pretends to be controlled and then attacks Magneto.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/mags4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/mags5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/mags6.jpg

Resists Maximus' mind powers.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/plan11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/plan12.jpg

Black Bolt somehow counters a karmic blast from Adam Warlock's soul gem by sending electrons along the karmic stream back to its source.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/blackbolt/overkarm.jpg

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Isn't she still alot faster than him? How good is she at mult-tasking abilities? Like mindrape+blitz, or TK+TP, etc?

She's not a speedster.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Black Bolt's mental based feats including the scene with Warlock:

Ahh.. Thanks rage.. I mixed up 2 of those feats and melded them into one..

Black bolt z
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I know he has tp resistance.. But is it strong enough to defend against hers?? Funny thing is ive seen him mind rape others by manipulating electrons in the brain.. And no it wasnt against Maximus... Strong enough to resist her but not go on the offensive I think.

Black bolt z
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Isn't she still alot faster than him? How good is she at mult-tasking abilities? Like mindrape+blitz, or TK+TP, etc? Shes faster than him. Not sure how much faster. What is her best speed feat?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Strong enough to resist her but not go on the offensive I think.

Rage's scans seems to show he can go offensive with his farking of electrons in the brain...


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Blue Area Vet
In Infinity #1, a creature called an outrider starts reading Black Bolt's mind IN HIS SLEEP. He wakes up in his own mind and tells the Outrider to get out of his mind. He then reaches and rips off the Outrider's arm. Beastly moment.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
In Infinity #1, a creature called an outrider starts reading Black Bolt's mind IN HIS SLEEP. He wakes up in his own mind and tells the Outrider to get out of his mind. He then reaches and rips off the Outrider's arm. Beastly moment.

I saw that, but you think that outrider is on the level of maxima psionicly?

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Golgo13
I saw that, but you think that outrider is on the level of maxima psionicly?

Probably not, but it's still impressive and also, that's not really the point. There are people who were of the believe that he did not have a chance based on having no psi resistance. Indeed he does.

Secondly, you all on the D.C. side tend to think highly of Superman's psi resistance based on nothing but high physical attributes, that being a "strong" mind. Here, we have a herald that in addition to having incredible discipline/focus, has actual psi resistance based on specific super power, yet we question it. Why? Again, his BROTHER, who has been trying to take over his king mantle for years, is his long time adversary. This is someone who is intimately familiar with BB and has had years to overcome him and has failed. Is his resistance strong enough to counter her psi? I think the answer is a resounding yes. It doesn't mean he wouldn't be bothered to an extent, but his great experience with utilizing counter psi will help him in this area. And I personally think that that's enough for him to get the victory. She will never see it coming.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Probably not, but it's still impressive and also, that's not really the point. There are people who were of the believe that he did not have a chance based on having no psi resistance. Indeed he does.

Secondly, you all on the D.C. side tend to think highly of Superman's psi resistance based on nothing but high physical attributes, that being a "strong" mind. Here, we have a herald that in addition to having incredible discipline/focus, has actual psi resistance based on specific super power, yet we question it. Why? Again, his BROTHER, who has been trying to take over his king mantle for years, is his long time adversary. This is someone who is intimately familiar with BB and has had years to overcome him and has failed. Is his resistance strong enough to counter her psi? I think the answer is a resounding yes. It doesn't mean he wouldn't be bothered to an extent, but his great experience with utilizing counter psi will help him in this area. And I personally think that that's enough for him to get the victory. She will never see it coming.

Superman has shown strong resistance to psi attacks. He's been around for a long time, so he has his low feats, too.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Golgo13
Superman has shown strong resistance to psi attacks. He's been around for a long time, so he has his low feats, too.

Ooooookay.....did I not say he had strong resistance?

Golgo13
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Ooooookay.....did I not say he had strong resistance?

No.

Existere
Let's bump this back up there

Magog
Maxima? Never heard of her.... Blackagar for the win.

celeyhyga17
Taking Black Bolt.

Galan007
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Taking Black Bolt. Heh, sounds kinky. thumb up

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Galan007
Heh, sounds kinky. thumb up Oh you know it!

Kazuma Bushi
Maxima wins here. She's fast enough to speedblitz him.

Blue Area Vet
BB remains vastly underrated.

Galan007
In this thread? How so?

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