[Possible Spoilers] Galactus - Fantastic Four 600 - Discussion (PowerC II, GTFIH))

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GalanOfTaa

Igniz
I didn't mean to be offensive.If I did sound offensive, then I apologize.

Anyways, I understand about your feelings about the things said in Chaos War.Yes Its true Eternity(Universal) stated that the Chaos King is the darkness and chaos that existed before existence itself.The Void defined against Eternity.But there is a story that actually confirms Eternity's statement about CK.This was written in around 2002 or 2003.Here's a scene from Defenders Vol 3 #3 were Dormammu ended up inside Multi-Eternity.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Untitled-05.jpg

Oceanic void that precedes the birth of form and Eternal nothingness?If you compare Dormammu's statement and Eternity's statement in CW#2, they are talking about the same being.As for Oblivion, wasn't it always stated that he and Eternity,Death and Infinity started existing when the Multiverse started to exist?Their kinda viewed more like siblings.And wasn't Oblivion stated to be the counterforce to the infinite expanse of space(Infinity)?I often view Oblivion being anti-space.Chaos King is more of Eternity's Mr Hyde persona that is anti-time and Death.Therefore, CK can be viewed as a sibling to Death,Infinity and Oblivion.But not to Eternity.

As for your other question, why does it remind me of the Alternate Reality were Galactus is the enemy of the Celestials?

Bouboumaster
The way I understand it. the Galactus Egg shouldn't even exist. It was only a stupid plot device, in a stupid arc full of headbutts written by a stupid, stupid man (Fraction, of course) who couldn't care less about continuity.

Utrigita
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
The way I understand it. the Galactus Egg shouldn't even exist. It was only a stupid plot device, in a stupid arc full of headbutts written by a stupid, stupid man (Fraction, of course) who couldn't care less about continuity.

Imo, Yeah pretty much and now the rest of the writers have to clean up the mess somehow.

GalanOfTaa
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
The way I understand it. the Galactus Egg shouldn't even exist. It was only a stupid plot device, in a stupid arc full of headbutts written by a stupid, stupid man (Fraction, of course) who couldn't care less about continuity.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Imo, Yeah pretty much and now the rest of the writers have to clean up the mess somehow.

... and this is precisely why I said: "I only respect (Galactus wise) Walt Simonson, John Byrne, Stan Lee and Jack kirby. I respect Walt Simonson and John Byrne because they have remained faithful to Kirby/Lee's interpretation of the Devourer, over the years. Most new writers HAVE NOT (Ie: Matt Fraction)" (in a PM to leonidas)

Colossus-Big C
The choas king is the oblivion of a previous universe.... He was reduced to mikaboshi at the birth of this universe.

Nothing contraditcs established stories

Cogito
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
The choas king is the oblivion of a previous universe.... He was reduced to mikaboshi at the birth of this universe.

Nothing contraditcs established stories

Is this true? If so, it contradicts Galactus being the only being that survived the previous universe. I honestly didn't read CK at all.

Igniz
Originally posted by Cogito
Is this true? If so, it contradicts Galactus being the only being that survived the previous universe. I honestly didn't read CK at all.

What Big-C meant was Chaos King was the Darkness and Chaos that existed before creation took place.Aka the Void before creation were there were no Multiverse or anything that existed.Point is, CK preceded everything in the Marvel Universe(even the Universe Galan came from) as shown in the scan I posted of Dormammu witnessing the Void that preceded the birth of form.When creation occurred, CK got kicked out of the cosmic hierarchy and was reduced to being a mere Godling that appeared in the Japanese Pantheon.

As for the Galactus seed.Even I am curios to know what It truly is.

GalanOfTaa
Originally posted by Igniz
What Big-C meant was Chaos King was the Darkness and Chaos that existed before creation took place.Aka the Void before creation were there were no Multiverse or anything that existed.Point is, CK preceded everything in the Marvel Universe(even the Universe Galan came from) as shown in the scan I posted of Dormammu witnessing the Void that preceded the birth of form.When creation occurred, CK got kicked out of the cosmic hierarchy and was reduced to being a mere Godling that appeared in the Japanese Pantheon.

As for the Galactus seed.Even I am curios to know what It truly is.

Still contradicting.

Originally posted by Cogito
Is this true? If so, it contradicts Galactus being the only being that survived the previous universe. I honestly didn't read CK at all.


.. anyways, my queries make sense though, don't they?

Igniz
Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
Still contradicting.

What is?Care to specify?

Bouboumaster
Starlin gave respect to cosmic characters too.

Anyway.

As for the Chaos King, same shit: stupid arc, by a stupid writer, who didn't give a flying **** about continuity. Only thing it did was to mess with Hercules, who before that had a great, great run.

guy222
aforementioned in the other threads, hopefully for the galactus fans, he's shown in a good light

as a celestials fan, hopefully they are as well

Power Cosmic II
the whole celestial eggs gestating in planets/Galactus existing to curtail their population is from the Mutant/Earth X stories, which are non-canon and take place in an alternate universe.

however, the reason why it's mentioned here on the forums on occasion in regards to Galactus is because it's the ONLY story to date that has featured a direct confrontation between them (as even referenced in the story itself..something along the lines of "Galactus and the Celestials have never encountered each other before"wink. Now granted the Galactus in that arc was actually Franklin Richards, but due to the "properties" of that reality, wherein someone merely needs to believe they are someone else and thus they effectively become that belief, for all intents and purposes Franklin was functioning as the real Galactus would.

Now, the Galactus Seed =/= one of these incubating Celestial eggs (as I understand it): whereas the Celestial eggs are just literally eggs containing "baby" celestials, the Galactus Seed, according to Odin, will yield the birth of the next universe, as well as yield the next Galactus. This was confirmed in Fantastic Four #600 (at least the part about the Seed yielding the next Galactus). FF #600 also mentioned the Seed as a "Celestial mistake" brought on by "Eternity."

NOW, these could easily be construed as metaphorical/allegorical definitions. Meaning, "Celestial" = cosmic, and "Eternity" = the length and breadth and scope of time. However, I decided to take those definitions literally (i.e., "Celestial" means the Celestials, and Eternity means the cosmic entity) based solely on the fact that solicits have confirmed Galactus and the Celestials will have a confrontation in FF 603. In FF 600, Galactus tells Reed to summon him when the earth becomes threatened. All signs point to the Celestials. And, since it was suggested in an old issue of Silver Surfer that Eternity created the Celestiails...I decided to take that literally too.

Anyway, contrary to some interpretations, this does NOT mean that Galactus himself was borne from a "Galactus Seed." His origin is the same (as implicitly confirmed in FF #600) and is more directly explained and confirmed when Galactus states the Seed is an aberration. Which means it has no precedent. Which means it is a one-time occurrence. The Seed will birth the next Galactus, but it never ever was suggested that it birthed the current one. This is confirmed once again in FF 600 (that the Seed is a once-off artifact). Who or what exactly brought on the Seed appears to involve the Celestials and/or Eternity, per my reasoning above. We'll learn more in upcoming issues.

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As for Chaos King, the scan posted above contradicts Chaos War since it states the Void existed in the current universe. I.e., the universe/reality existed, and the Void was all that was present. After a time, atoms coalesced into stars and planets and the Earth came to be.

That issue of Thor Annual was published before Galactus' "true" origin was published. By that I mean Galactus' origin was initially revealed in Thor (#169, in 1969) to be an astronaut/scientist being changed/mutated into Galactus because he passed too close to "the largest sun in the universe." A completely lame origin.

This was retconned a bit in Super Villain Classics #1 (1983), which was published the year after Thor annual #10 (1982). Super Villain Classics altered Galactus' origin by stating the "largest sun" was actually the Cosmic Egg and that Taa actually existed in the previous universe, thus establishing in Marvel canon that a universe existed prior to the current one, and that Galan/Galactus came from this universe. Therefore this means that Galan pre-dates the void/nothingness mentioned in Thor annual #10.

Meanwhile, Chaos War stated that Mikaboshi pre-dated Galactus' universe.

guy222
does this mean the celestials are older than galactus

if u believe the theory of the absolutes its possible i do

contunity mucked again solely for a writers purpose that's fine will and should b redone by the eternals' writers when the book is published

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