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These powerful mystical beings battle to the death or ko in the following locations:

1) Neutral territory...
2) In the Heart of the Dark Dimension...
3) In the Heart of Hell...

Who wins in each senario?

I would really like to see these two bump heads.

Dormammu wins on neutral ground more often than not. He may lose to Mephisto in Hell but he performs better than Mephisto would in the Dark dimension..

Originally posted by Sundipped
I would really like to see these two bump heads.

Dormammu wins on neutral ground more often than not. He may lose to Mephisto in Hell but he performs better than Mephisto would in the Dark dimension..

Out of 10 fights, what majority would you give Dormmy over Mephisto is each of the above senario's?

already proven dormy is more powerful

and at one time dormy was meph's daddy so marvel always goofs

Dormmamu is a hugely powerful entity. Not just another abstract or skyfather.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Out of 10 fights, what majority would you give Dormmy over Mephisto is each of the above senario's?

Neutral ground - Dormy 8/10
In Hell - Dormy 6/10 (with Mephisto power output like vs. Big G)
In Dark Dimension - Dormy 10/10 (every fight tough though)

hey sun

member friends meph is afraid of the serpent...that's bad

I was gonna jump on the Dormmamu bandwangon too, until I remembered how well they do vs a common foe, Dr. Strange. IMHO, Dr. Strange, for some odd reason, struggles with Mephisto while doing well vs Dormmamu.

He's gone toe to toe with Dormmamu in the Dark Dimension and exhausted him (the barrier holding back the Mindless ONes was weakened and Dormmamu needed Strange's help to seal them back) and this was before he was even Sorcerer Supreme, yet was in fear of his life fighting against Mephisto in Hell.

Neutral ground? Probably Mephisto.
Hell. For sure Mephisto.
Dark Dimension. Probably Dormmamu.

hey zop

common foes are cool

dormy has encountered eternity(twice) and has a shared win

meph has gone from retconning mary jane/pp life to a coward fearing the serpent

in the times they have met...dormy is the more powerful one

and can i list the ways meph has been jobbed

Originally posted by guy222
hey zop

common foes are cool

dormy has encountered eternity(twice) and has a shared win

meph has gone from retconning mary jane/pp life to a coward fearing the serpent

in the times they have met...dormy is the more powerful one

and can i list the ways meph has been jobbed

It's true that he feared the Serpent, but don't forget Guy that Dormammu and Cytorrak and others were at that meeting in Hell to deal with the Serpent too. Apparently they also feared him or they wouldn't have been there.

true true

but history tells us the dormy>meph

and u know me on cytorrak..too much hype no enough action

Originally posted by zopzop
I was gonna jump on the Dormmamu bandwangon too, until I remembered how well they do vs a common foe, Dr. Strange. IMHO, Dr. Strange, for some odd reason, struggles with Mephisto while doing well vs Dormmamu.

He's gone toe to toe with Dormmamu in the Dark Dimension and exhausted him (the barrier holding back the Mindless ONes was weakened and Dormmamu needed Strange's help to seal them back) and this was before he was even Sorcerer Supreme, yet was in fear of his life fighting against Mephisto in Hell.

Neutral ground? Probably Mephisto.
Hell. For sure Mephisto.
Dark Dimension. Probably Dormmamu.

Being the arch nemesis of Strange, Dormy is prone to job to Strange unless its extreme circumstances like when Dormy went into the future and killed him in GOTG series. Never cared much for the Hellcat mini but where was it stated he was in fear of his life?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Being the arch nemesis of Strange, Dormy is prone to job to Strange unless its extreme circumstances like when Dormy went into the future and killed him in GOTG series. Never cared much for the Hellcat mini but where was it stated he was in fear of his life?

There were multiple occasions where Strange was completely out of his league vs Mephisto.

First time that I recall was one of the Satannish/Mephisto throwdowns. Strange commented that "no one, not even Dormammu at the height of his powers ever me feel so helpless" and this was in regards to Satannish's power.

Mephisto then steps in and they battle it out, stalemating Satannish. The crazy thing was the fight didn't even take place in either of their (Satannish or Mephisto) Hell Realms. So they were that powerful outside their kingdoms.

Second time was when he and Doom went into Hell to free Doom's mother from Mephisto's clutches. They only escaped alive because Strange used Cynthia's pure soul to harm Mephisto and they ran. Even double shielded they were being roasted alive by Mephisto's Hell Fire.

Strange never, that I can recall, went toe to toe with Mephisto. But he has gone toe to toe vs Dormmamu and one time he wasn't even Sorcerer Supreme!

Originally posted by zopzop
There were multiple occasions where Strange was completely out of his league vs Mephisto.

First time that I recall was one of the Satannish/Mephisto throwdowns. Strange commented that "no one, not even Dormammu at the height of his powers ever me feel so helpless" and this was in regards to Satannish's power.

Mephisto then steps in and they battle it out, stalemating Satannish. The crazy thing was the fight didn't even take place in either of their (Satannish or Mephisto) Hell Realms. So they were that powerful outside their kingdoms.

Second time was when he and Doom went into Hell to free Doom's mother from Mephisto's clutches. They only escaped alive because Strange used Cynthia's pure soul to harm Mephisto and they ran. Even double shielded they were being roasted alive by Mephisto's Hell Fire.

Strange never, that I can recall, went toe to toe with Mephisto. But he has gone toe to toe vs Dormmamu and one time he wasn't even Sorcerer Supreme!

I thought you meant Dormy was in fear of his life in Mephistos realm.

I find Stranges comments concerning Satannish funny considering it's Doramammu whos responsible for his creation (was this retconned?).

As for Doc doing so well against Dormy and not Mephisto, I guess you missed the arch nemesis part. Still, its not a good way to guage their respective powers. Looking back at that mini, it took a combined effort from multiple forces, including some from the Olympian patheon to deal with Dormy IIRC.

dormammu is just superior

yes

its not even a comparsion

meph wouldn't dare confront eternity....dormy did

Dormy might lose in Mephisto hell realm but even then IDK. But he beats meph in all other scenarios. I just think Dormy is higher on the food chain.

meh, when dormmy beat eternity it was a silly arc where he was amped to ridiculous levels. ss was a REAL surfer dude, the whole thing was funny. the other battle happened 40yrs ago and i just don't put much stock in fights that old. too much has changed. dormmy tricked meph and may have appeared to be tougher but he never challenged meph directly and at the end of that mini meph was PISSED and was ready to fight and kill dormmy. again, dormmy didn't step up to the challenge. i think they are relatively equal in level. maybe dormmy is slightly more powerful, but i'd certainly say meph is able to beat him at least some of the time.

Mephisto Vs Dormammu?

Lets start off with what happened in Satannish Vs Mephisto first.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/SatannishVsMephisto1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/SatannishVsMephisto2.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/SatannishVsMephisto3.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/SatannishVsMephisto4.jpg

Mephista and Dr Strange breaks it up.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DrStrangeAndMephistaBreaksupMephistoAndSatannish1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DrStrangeAndMephistaBreaksupMephistoAndSatannish2.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DrStrangeAndMephistaBreaksupMephistoAndSatannish3.jpg

And why did I post the Satannish Vs Mephisto fight?Because this is who Satannish is.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuCreatedSatannish2.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuCreatedSatannish3.jpg

And this is what happened to Mephisto afterwards.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/MephistoHumiliated.jpg

I am such a meanie

Dormammu>>>>Mephisto

Originally posted by Igniz
Mephisto Vs Dormammu?

Lets start off with what happened in Satannish Vs Mephisto first.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/SatannishVsMephisto1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/SatannishVsMephisto2.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/SatannishVsMephisto3.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/SatannishVsMephisto4.jpg

Mephista and Dr Strange breaks it up.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DrStrangeAndMephistaBreaksupMephistoAndSatannish1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DrStrangeAndMephistaBreaksupMephistoAndSatannish2.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DrStrangeAndMephistaBreaksupMephistoAndSatannish3.jpg

You realize, the only way they were able to break up the fight was because Dr. Strange took advantage of the fact that they were once part of a primordial evil and he cast a spell so that when one hit the other, the other felt it. He didn't beat them. If any one of them turned around and started to attack HIM and not each other, Strange would have been fugged.



Wasn't this retconned in an Excalibur/Captain Britain MI-6 issue?

But aside from that, how can Dormmamu be Satannish's father if BOTH Satannish and Mephisto are both descended from the same primordial evil?

yeah, not sure of all that origin holds true still. but it was AFTER that last scan, once mephisto gets free, that he gets PISSED and threatens and challenges dormmy though so those scans are NOT the end of that story.... ultimately, btw, mephisto wins in that arc.

Originally posted by zopzop

Wasn't this retconned in an Excalibur/Captain Britain MI-6 issue?

But aside from that, how can Dormmamu be Satannish's father if BOTH Satannish and Mephisto are both descended from the same primordial evil?

That's why I was asking was it retconned. It's likely that Doramammu being his arrogant self, may have just taken the credit for his existence through spoken word although I do believe Satannish was indebted to Doramammu due to some sort of pact made eons ago. Would you happen to have Satannishs' handbook entry?

Originally posted by Igniz
And why did I post the Satannish Vs Mephisto fight?Because this is who Satannish is.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuCreatedSatannish2.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuCreatedSatannish3.jpg

And this is what happened to Mephisto afterwards.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/MephistoHumiliated.jpg

I am such a meanie

Dormammu>>>>Mephisto

Good scans Igniz

If this was indeed not retconned, then it shows Dormammu's superiority over both Satanish and Mephisto. It shows Mephisto could only previously manage a stalemate with a being who was basically being used as a pawn for Doramammu.

Furthermore, it took the combined effort of Hela/Pluto/AND Mephisto to freeze over the hell realm to make Doramammu retreat (more acknowledgement of superiority) which in itself was kinda PISlike. He got weaker in the absence of fire. The kind not even native to the DD, Flames of the Faltine.