Gorgon (as Dark Wolverine) vs. Iron Fist

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StiltmanFTW
Gonna happen soon. So, who do you think will come out victorious?

SamZED
The costume makes no difference. Dunno what's gonna happen in the book but Gorgon should win.

Trackz
Ironfist looks like the new king of street level heroes, he'll probably come out on top.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by SamZED
The costume makes no difference. Dunno what's gonna happen in the book but Gorgon should win.

But weapons do. Grasscutter > fake claws.

SPOILERS!

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5006/gorgif.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4697/1329507498.jpg

Knowing Bendis, someone is gonna interfere...

srankmissingnin
When this new Dark Avengers team was announced I put my money on Bendis jobbing out Gorgon to Daredevil. I'm glade it's not Daredevil who will beat him, being jobbed out to Iron Fist instead is slightly more respectable... but still an embarrassment. Gorgon should win this fight in two - three panels with ease.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hNy2t2RZbhs/Tz8e2pDjH0I/AAAAAAAABN0/RjfWkiaqXoE/s1600/fistvswolverine.jpg

Parmaniac
Gorgon should be lucky it's not Spider-man.

StiltmanFTW
Wouldn't be surprised if Parker jumped out of nowhere (again) and saved Rand.

Parmaniac
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wouldn't be surprised if Parker jumped out of nowhere (again) and saved Rand. Honestly I was thinking something similar.

OneDumbG0
^ Something like this you mean?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/Gorgon01.jpg

vin

Anyway, the preview is completely in line with most people's predictions:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=528687&goto=nextoldest
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=539505&goto=nextoldest
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=547944&goto=nextoldest
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=559010&pagenumber=2

... or not. ha-som

Nietzschean
and this why ppl stop reading comics

Parmaniac
lol may I ask what Gorgon has done except whipng the floor with Elektra and Wolverine?

SamZED
Oh God.. Only one page. Gorgon is not even losing. But I already wanna throw up... No disrespect for Danny, but it shouldve been over by 4th pannel...

Nietzschean
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j-9d-o-yvl0/TjuKxFV8ZpI/AAAAAAAABJs/zp5Xq03NeCU/s640/prv9420_pg2.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FD79PKPSHbc/TjuKy5_Q5nI/AAAAAAAABJw/_0l4rPWg-HI/s1600/prv9420_pg3.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bfUnW6YU8Rs/TjuKvf8iE5I/AAAAAAAABJo/KS3ik30HA04/s640/prv9420_pg4.jpg

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by SamZED
Oh God.. Only one page. Gorgon is not even losing. But I already wanna throw up... No disrespect for Danny, but it shouldve been over by 4th pannel...

Just from what was actually drawn the fight should ended instantly. Gorgon is strong enough to ko Danny with an up kick like that... probably should have killed him. In the third panel he could have unsheathed his claws directly into Danny's face. In the last two panels he could cut that arm of... with the arm he is using to block. If he dropped that arm from the position its in, he takes of Danny's arm, we the set up for the over hand claw slash? Why is doing that? And this just look at the BS art that was actually drawn. In reality Iron Fist wouldn't be able to land a finger on Tomi, and he'd get one shoted.

But like I said, I'm just counting my blessing that it isn't Daredevil who will kick his ass.

SamZED
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Just from what was actually drawn the fight should ended instantly. Gorgon is strong enough to ko Danny with an up kick like that... probably should have killed him. In the third panel he could have unsheathed his claws directly into Danny's face. In the last two panels he could cut that arm of... with the arm he is using to block. If he dropped that arm from the position its in, he takes of Danny's arm, we the set up for the over hand claw slash? Why is doing that? And this just look at the BS art that was actually drawn. In reality Iron Fist wouldn't be able to land a finger on Tomi, and he'd get one shoted. I uncovered the dark secret behind this insane scene. Bendis

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Gorgon should be lucky it's not Spider-man. cool
But if seriously, Bendis is so consistent with the characters I think we're lucky its NOT Spider-man. I have my doubts Bendis is aware of the training Pete recieved or that his spider sense got upgraded. He just randomly has characters beat one another.

EDIT: Gotta give him props for making Norman into such a big baddy though.

YFZ 350
Gorgon I guess.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Something like this you mean?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/Gorgon01.jpg

vin

Anyway, the preview is completely in line with most people's predictions:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=528687&goto=nextoldest
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=539505&goto=nextoldest
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=547944&goto=nextoldest
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=559010&pagenumber=2

... or not. ha-som

Lol.

Why people are pissed that Danny is going toe-to-toe with Gorgon is beyond me.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Because his a Wolverine villain.

Remember when Phobos went toe to toe with Gorgon? Apparently he got a massive upgrade off panel because that's the only way it made sense or whatever. Forgot who was arguing this, but it was pretty hilarious.

srankmissingnin
Toe to toe makes it sound like it was an even fight, it wasn't, Gorgon wrecked him. They locked swords once. Phobos tagged Gorgon. Their swords broke. Then Gorgon killed Phobos.

Rage.Of.Olympus
You see what I mean?

I see these scans (And IIRC their earlier encounter) and think of a close fight:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4607/sw210018.th.jpg http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4032/sw210019.th.jpg http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/83/sw210020.th.jpg http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6273/sw210021.th.jpg http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9001/sw210022.th.jpg http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9075/sw210023.th.jpg http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5845/sw210024.th.jpg

Skrank sees this and he thinks of how he can spin this to best benefit Wolverine, i.e. a one sided stomp in Gorgon's favor. I'm fine with it, everyone does it to some extent when they have a stake, but at least be reasonable about this shit.

Parmaniac
Was him wrecking Wolverine his first apperance?

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You see what I mean?

I see these scans (And IIRC their earlier encounter) and think of a close fight:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4607/sw210018.th.jpg http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4032/sw210019.th.jpg http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/83/sw210020.th.jpg http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6273/sw210021.th.jpg http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9001/sw210022.th.jpg http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9075/sw210023.th.jpg http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5845/sw210024.th.jpg

Skrank sees this and he thinks of how he can spin this to best benefit Wolverine, i.e. a one sided stomp in Gorgon's favor. I'm fine with it, everyone does it to some extent when they have a stake, but at least be reasonable about this shit.

What's even about it? They lock blades twice... then Phobos gets killed. That's not an even fight. Punisher has had better fights with Daredevil that amounted him getting his ass kicked for twelve pages...

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You see what I mean?

srankmissingnin
Again: What is even about it?

It's the equivalent of two fighters clinching, one fighter throwing a body shot... and the other fighter throwing a knock out punch a minute into the first round. That isn't an even fight. There is some cool speed lines... but that is about it. The clash swords twice, Phobos manages to tag Gorgon with his Blade, they clash swords again, the swords break, then Gorgon kills him. That isn't a competitive fight. Wolverine put up a noticeably better fight and that fight was still a one sided beat down on the part of Gorgon.

Silent Master
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


I see what you mean.

Nietzschean
Gorgon should have killed Ironfist with the kick to his head.

Some one who can hold his own with two elites ma'ers should be a to handle Ironfist. I mean what use is blunt trauma to someone like the Gorgon who feels no pain and has an insane healing factor.

I could see danny knocking his head off with his iron fist punch but I really dont see it being the norm with Gorgon's reaction speed reflex and mind reading.

leonidas
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You see what I mean?

I see these scans (And IIRC their earlier encounter) and think of a close fight:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4607/sw210018.th.jpg http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4032/sw210019.th.jpg http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/83/sw210020.th.jpg http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6273/sw210021.th.jpg http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9001/sw210022.th.jpg http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9075/sw210023.th.jpg http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5845/sw210024.th.jpg

Skrank sees this and he thinks of how he can spin this to best benefit Wolverine, i.e. a one sided stomp in Gorgon's favor. I'm fine with it, everyone does it to some extent when they have a stake, but at least be reasonable about this shit.

gotta admit, i'd look at that as close as well.....

Trackz
Phobos even lands the first hit...don't see it as a stomp.

Anyway Gorgon might be a better swordsman than hand-to-hand fighter. Ironfist is one of the best fighters around.

Tazer
Yo.

on top of which we see him catching the arm Danny had just thrown charged w/the IF, so who knows wat happpens next page; as long as the fight is decent, Im cool with whoever wins (as long as its Danny.) big grin




Tazer

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Trackz
Phobos even lands the first hit...don't see it as a stomp.


So did Wolverine when he fought Gorgon... and it was still a stomp.

Hell some random gym fighter tagged Cowboy Cerrone a couple of times in spar... and then he got knocked out almost instantly (which is more or less what happened Gorgon v Phobos).

I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that was a even or competitive fight. Par the course for Trackz and Silent Master, but I expect better from Rage and Leo.

Trackz
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You see what I mean? thumb up


Anyway, if this is gorgon as Dark Wolverine, Ironfist could possibly win (although this largely depends on how he does in the next issue). I think Gorgon would be unstoppable with a sword though.

WhiteWitchKing
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Again: What is even about it?

It's the equivalent of two fighters clinching, one fighter throwing a body shot... and the other fighter throwing a knock out punch a minute into the first round. That isn't an even fight. There is some cool speed lines... but that is about it. The clash swords twice, Phobos manages to tag Gorgon with his Blade, they clash swords again, the swords break, then Gorgon kills him. That isn't a competitive fight. Wolverine put up a noticeably better fight and that fight was still a one sided beat down on the part of Gorgon.

Nah, kid did well. Gorgon is twice the kids size and had better arm reach. Wasn't a stomp at all.

Existere
Meh, I think the nature of comics make it easy to spin this sort of thing. I think most people count pages, and the Gorgon/Phobos fight does look dead even for most of five pages, with clear artistic intent to show this - the matching poses, trading gaze attacks, breaking blades simultaneously - Gorgon and Phobos are clearly depicted as even fighters, and then Gorgon wins.

Of course, if you have a fighter to back or push, it's an easy fight to see a little differently. If you count parries/strikes instead of pages, then Gorgon and Phobos barely got started before Gorgon slew him in one strike, and we know that Gorgon was barely scratched.

I think that's sort of the nature of comics though - space is limited, panels are big, fights are relatively short. Were that fight depicted on the screen, I get the solid impression that it would be fast, even and a really good watch, with Gorgon eventually pulling a fatal blow after a good amount of action.

As for Gorgon/Iron Fist, Gorgon should win based on feats, and that is, I feel, for the most part pretty indisputable. He's about to finally wrack up some low showings though (a long time coming), and that happens to every comic book villain. Obviously previous vs threads weren't much of a prediction of how a fight would go down in the comics, because we know well enough to recognize that Bendis - nor any writer - doesn't think like we do.

OneDumbG0
^ I just have to assume Gorgon is not using his tp or stone stare. Given that, I am not surprised by Iron Fist going toe-to-toe with him in close combat. I'm curious who would be surprised though. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You see what I mean? I see what you mean.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Existere
Meh, I think the nature of comics make it easy to spin this sort of thing. I think most people count pages, and the Gorgon/Phobos fight does look dead even for most of five pages, with clear artistic intent to show this - the matching poses, trading gaze attacks, breaking blades simultaneously - Gorgon and Phobos are clearly depicted as even fighters, and then Gorgon wins.

Of course, if you have a fighter to back or push, it's an easy fight to see a little differently. If you count parries/strikes instead of pages, then Gorgon and Phobos barely got started before Gorgon slew him in one strike, and we know that Gorgon was barely scratched.

I think that's sort of the nature of comics though - space is limited, panels are big, fights are relatively short. Were that fight depicted on the screen, I get the solid impression that it would be fast, even and a really good watch, with Gorgon eventually pulling a fatal blow after a good amount of action.

As for Gorgon/Iron Fist, Gorgon should win based on feats, and that is, I feel, for the most part pretty indisputable. He's about to finally wrack up some low showings though (a long time coming), and that happens to every comic book villain. Obviously previous vs threads weren't much of a prediction of how a fight would go down in the comics, because we know well enough to recognize that Bendis - nor any writer - doesn't think like we do.

The fight has large and elaborate "manga" style panels... but nothing really happens. What we are shown would amount to less than a minute of combat, the fact that the art is flashy hardly indicates that it was an even fight. Even fights don't end after half a dozen moves in one character's death. It's like saying "Wow, John Fitch and Johny Hendricks had a real even fight until Hendricks knocked him out twelve seconds into the first round..." It's an illogical assessment. Even fights simply don't end that quickly. The lock swords twice, Gorgon gets grazed, the swords break, Gorgon grabs Phobos and kills him. That's what happened.

Existere
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I just have to assume Gorgon is not using his tp or stone stare. Given that, I am not surprised by Iron Fist going toe-to-toe with him in close combat. I'm curious who would be surprised though. I think Gorgon's higher end speed feats (which, for some time, represented his average speed feats) would/could/should suggest that he'd be dancing around Danny. Besides that though, it doesn't bother me that Danny can hold his own skill-wise, or that he could damage Gorgon. To keep up with Tomi though is either a speed feat on the higher end for Danny (but not completely out of reason) or on the lower end for Gorgon.

Just how I see it though. srug

OneDumbG0
^ Had Gorgon danced around any of his opponents, I'd agree.

Existere
And yet, that's how I remember his first encounter with Elektra going down.

OneDumbG0
^ I remember a Mr. X-style beatdown. Which didn't happen the second time around when Elektra had psi-blockers on.

cdtm
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
being jobbed out to Iron Fist instead is slightly more respectable... but still an embarrassment.

How's being jobbed out to a character with physical stats to rival, and in some areas surpass, Spider Man, on top of being a martial arts master, an embarrassment? confused

cdtm
I wish Iron Fist would turn his mask into a blindfold or something, if he's aware of the stone state..

Because there's plenty of examples of him not really needing to see to fight, and that would be a clever way to counter that technique..

Existere
Hey, fair enough. It's not strongly indicated either way whether telepathy was to blame for her getting destroyed, though when she does lose her psi blockers in the later battle, it's commented that he (Gorgon) can now read her like an open book.

That being said, in that battle she was teamed with Wolverine, packing no shortage of SHIELD tech and Gorgon was still keeping pace with the two of them, enough to make Logan comment "Damn, he's fast". Then there are his handful of impressive speed feats both pre and post resurrection that telepathy can't really account for, and in total it makes me think he's at least faster than Danny- though by how much, your mileage may vary.

Either way, not using his telepathy still rounds this down to a lower showing, but like I said, happens to everybody and Gorgon certainly had his coming.

Existere
Originally posted by cdtm
How's being jobbed out to a character with physical stats to rival, and in some areas surpass, Spider Man, on top of being a martial arts master, an embarrassment? confused Besides in punching power, where does Iron Fist surpass Spider-Man? Unless using his IF to punch like a mofo was all you meant.

Mindset
IF should never really need to punch without his IF.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Existere
Hey, fair enough. It's not strongly indicated either way whether telepathy was to blame for her getting destroyed, though when she does lose her psi blockers in the later battle, it's commented that he (Gorgon) can now read her like an open book.

That being said, in that battle she was teamed with Wolverine, packing no shortage of SHIELD tech and Gorgon was still keeping pace with the two of them, enough to make Logan comment "Damn, he's fast". Then there are his handful of impressive speed feats both pre and post resurrection that telepathy can't really account for, and in total it makes me think he's at least faster than Danny- though by how much, your mileage may vary.

Either way, not using his telepathy still rounds this down to a lower showing, but like I said, happens to everybody and Gorgon certainly had his coming. Gorgon certainly has speed. It's just that based on Iron Fist's own demonstrated speed, I don't see Gorgon's speed being fast enough to dance around Iron Fist without telepathy working. I could see it being a noticeable advantage if a fight between them solely came down to speed... but that advantage diminishes with Iron Fist's considerable fighting skill and inner chi. Enough so, that I'm not surprised at all that they could fight evenly or almost evenly.

It's why I wasn't surprised Phobos fought Gorgon evenly or almost evenly. Even though Phobos lacks speed feats even on Iron Fist's level, he obviously could no-sell his telepathy, was greatly skilled and his limited precog (not dependent on tp) made up for the lack of independent speed.

cdtm
Originally posted by Existere
Besides in punching power, where does Iron Fist surpass Spider-Man? Unless using his IF to punch like a mofo was all you meant.

What Mindset said.

Also, durability.

Deadline
Originally posted by SamZED
Oh God.. Only one page. Gorgon is not even losing. But I already wanna throw up... No disrespect for Danny, but it shouldve been over by 4th pannel...

Yea, Gorgon is jobbing...he's getting MrXed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Gorgon certainly has speed. It's just that based on Iron Fist's own demonstrated speed, I don't see Gorgon's speed being fast enough to dance around Iron Fist without telepathy working. I could see it being a noticeable advantage if a fight between them solely came down to speed... but that advantage diminishes with Iron Fist's considerable fighting skill and inner chi. Enough so, that I'm not surprised at all that they could fight evenly or almost evenly.

It's why I wasn't surprised Phobos fought Gorgon evenly or almost evenly. Even though Phobos lacks speed feats even on Iron Fist's level, he obviously could no-sell his telepathy, was greatly skilled and his limited precog (not dependent on tp) made up for the lack of independent speed.

Yes but he stomped Elektra and Wolverine with blockers on....is his TP getting blocked when he fought IF?

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Deadline
Yes but he stomped Elektra and Wolverine with blockers on....is his TP getting blocked when he fought IF? He only started really stomping them after he knocked them off. And nobody knows for sure whether his tp is getting blocked when fighting IF. The issue ain't out yet. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if IF is using some technique or chi-related defense to negate Gorgon's telepathy. Or maybe Gorgon just wants to see how good he is and is choosing not to use it.

Deadline
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He only started really stomping them after he knocked them off. And nobody knows for sure whether his tp is getting blocked when fighting IF. The issue ain't out yet. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if IF is using some technique or chi-related defense to negate Gorgon's telepathy. Or maybe Gorgon just wants to see how good he is and is choosing not to use it.

Hmm you may have a point I'll check. Bare in mind that was after a rocket launcher blew up his house while he was in it.

leonidas
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So did Wolverine when he fought Gorgon... and it was still a stomp.

Hell some random gym fighter tagged Cowboy Cerrone a couple of times in spar... and then he got knocked out almost instantly (which is more or less what happened Gorgon v Phobos).

I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that was a even or competitive fight. Par the course for Trackz and Silent Master, but I expect better from Rage and Leo.

hrm. it seems pretty clear to me looking at the way the fight was drawn and written, and the effort and even anger gorgon seemed to be feeling during it that it was the author's intent that it be viewed as a close fight. gorgon was better, clearly, but no way i'd call that a stomp. haggler\hearns 8 minutes of fury was very short, but one of the best fights ever. though it ended quick, doesn't mean it was a stomp. at all.

dmills
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Gorgon should have killed Ironfist with the kick to his head.

Some one who can hold his own with two elites ma'ers should be a to handle Ironfist. I mean what use is blunt trauma to someone like the Gorgon who feels no pain and has an insane healing factor.

I could see danny knocking his head off with his iron fist punch but I really dont see it being the norm with Gorgon's reaction speed reflex and mind reading.

Clearly has not read much Iron fist if you think a kick from Gorgon kills him. Heaven help us if Danny is just that good now.

dmills
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He only started really stomping them after he knocked them off. And nobody knows for sure whether his tp is getting blocked when fighting IF. The issue ain't out yet. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if IF is using some technique or chi-related defense to negate Gorgon's telepathy. Or maybe Gorgon just wants to see how good he is and is choosing not to use it.

This. When he beat Mr. X it was claimed that he switched to druken style kung fu to counter the telepathy. Perhaps we see something similar here. The fact of the matter is that I believe that Danny is more skilled now and that there's been a push to slowly get him to be the top dog in MA. Also isn't he an avatar of some sort now? That could play into it as well.

In Defenders he showed some nice abilities as well. Fighting in zero gravity. Taking a bullet to the sternum and healing himself etc.

StyleTime
If it's any consolation to Gorgon, Mr. X jobbed way worse.

dmills
Originally posted by StyleTime
If it's any consolation to Gorgon, Mr. X jobbed way worse.

Yeah. Even I have to admit that was terrible.

Great depiction of their fight in that preview though (Gorgon v Danny)

cdtm
Here's the scene with the dialog, and what happens after.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/Zone-Avengers016.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/Zone-Avengers017.jpg

I think Danny had him cold without Matt's help, but nice sequence.

Broke his arm, and does it look like he shattered his leg in the second to last panel?

jalek moye
Does Gorgon actually have claws, or are those gloves?

cdtm
Originally posted by jalek moye
Goes Gorgon actually have claws, or are those gloves?

Externals for certain. Either attached to the gloves, or strapped to the wrists somehow.

Nietzschean
Originally posted by jalek moye
Does Gorgon actually have claws, or are those gloves?

there is a scan with his gloves off somewhere. it shows the claws strapped to his forearm

Parmaniac
Originally posted by cdtm
Broke his arm, and does it look like he shattered his leg in the second to last panel? Nope Danny's punch didn't connect with Gorgon.

JakeTheBank
Iron Fist.

cdtm
Originally posted by dmills
Clearly has not read much Iron fist if you think a kick from Gorgon kills him. Heaven help us if Danny is just that good now.

Yeah, even a much weaker Danny in his original mini was surviving things no street should walk away from.

The radiation levels from Radion alone would probably finish off Batman or Cap, let alone being caught in the middle of a building leveling explosion.

Daredevil1
Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, even a much weaker Danny in his original mini was surviving things no street should walk away from.

The radiation levels from Radion alone would probably finish off Batman or Cap, let alone being caught in the middle of a building leveling explosion.


Ha! Cap was inside a nuclear furnace and afterwards he fought Protocide.

But then again Cap is a Beast unlike Batman evil face

Daredevil1
Shoot I was more impressed with DD's knock the F out kick.

Respect that

OneDumbG0
To be fair... Gorgon did say he was saving himself for Wolverine. It seems obvious that he was underestimating Danny. Bendis glossing over Gorgon's demonstrated telepathy seemed a bit eyebrow raising though.

Mindset
IF was holding back too.

Evidence: Gorgon is still alive.

JakeTheBank
Physically, he's alive, sure.

But Danny emotionally and spiritually raped him. No lube.

cdtm
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
To be fair... Gorgon did say he was saving himself for Wolverine. It seems obvious that he was underestimating Danny. Bendis glossing over Gorgon's demonstrated telepathy seemed a bit eyebrow raising though.

Was it Bendis who had Danny get around Mr. X's telepathy with his "drunken style"?

If so, maybe he figured no further explanation was needed? Or he just got lazy, I dunno. ^_^

Gorgon "should" know what Iron Fist is capable of though.. Because Norman would have briefed him, and because just about any major martial artists knows of him (Even Black Tarantula was like "We don't want an Iron Fist for an enemy" in a Daredevil comic, and they never fought before..)

Mindset
Gorgon is an idiot if he doesn't know about IF capabilities.

Existere
Gorgon's supposed to be a super genius too and all that.

Meh, when you have a stupid amount of abilities, some of the less flashy ones (telepathy, super-intelligence, etc) are bound to get dropped upon your demotion to side villain of a team book.

cdtm
Originally posted by Existere
Gorgon's supposed to be a super genius too and all that.

Meh, when you have a stupid amount of abilities, some of the less flashy ones (telepathy, super-intelligence, etc) are bound to get dropped upon your demotion to side villain of a team book.

Gorgons tp was never as surefire as Mr. X's anyways. I'm pretty sure Wolverine managed to stick him even without psi blockers.

Was Phobos immune to his tp, or was he simply good enough to overcome it?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by cdtm
Was it Bendis who had Danny get around Mr. X's telepathy with his "drunken style"?

No, it was Remender.

red sabre
Originally posted by srankmissingnin

But like I said, I'm just counting my blessing that it isn't Daredevil who will kick his ass.

Lol the irony, daredevil knocked him the F out with a kick

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by cdtm
Was Phobos immune to his tp, or was he simply good enough to overcome it? The answer is yes.

Anybody else hate when teachers used to answer questions like that?

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