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Cythonna keeps getting tossed around lately so i'd figure her nearest equivalence needs to get the limelight too.

Rao Fights as follows

herald>trans>skyfater>semiabstracts

1. Voidtry
2. Silver Surfer
3. Thanos
4. Darkseid
5. The Serpent (marvel)
6. Zeus (dc)
7. Shazam
8. Odin (marvel)
9. Chthon
10. Galactus

Bonus: if he's having a difficult time, Cythonna could also come in and pitch her help.

Well Cythonna did "good" vs Superman and Rao beat her after a prolonged fight. Superman beat her by BFRing her into the Sun and she couldn't escape so she wasn't too impressive (and neither was/is Rao if it took a prolonged fight to put her down).

Stops at Thanos.

Problem with Rao is that he has next to no feats outside of being the head deity of the Kryptonian theology and as such is attributed to various "feats" off panel such as creating life and the universe as we know it, which is par for the course for many deities in comics (almost every Pantheon has their own creationism myth/story, for example).

So, basically, if you believe word for word all the hype surrounding Rao and that he is a supreme being, you could argue him clearing simply based off of his apparent status alone.

Anyway, glad I could squeeze in a reasonable post before this thread likely gets devolved by the usual parties. Have fun!

Dunno apparently Superman being a mere demi-god many times removed descendent of his is enough to produce golden superman prime in DC 1 Mil. so not sure what that says about Rao other than he's a pretty fine craftsman.

Rao has no real feats of his own, but if we take his mythological retellings at face value, then...

Initially, Rao was merely the Kryptonian Sun God--an elemental (not unlike Apollo was to the Greeks):
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13073313_1.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13073317_2.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13073321_3.jpg
And considering the relative feebishness of Cythonna(Superman did quite well against her), it'd be a huge stretch to call that 'version' of Rao a Skyfather, imo.


It wasn't until very recent times that Rao's story evolved into a far more abstract one:
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13073183_rao1.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13073187_rao2.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13073193_rao3.jpg

So this depends entirely on which version of Rao we are using. One is around Superman's level(give or take), and the other is on par with THE God.

Rao is in truth the Avatar of God and PC Supes was his descendant. Superman was called more then once "Son" by "God" during the PC days.

The Supreme being stomps. Everyone who says something else is a fandboy.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Rao is in truth the Avatar of God and PC Supes was his descendant. Superman was called more then once "Son" by "God" during the PC days.

The Supreme being stomps. Everyone who says otherwise is a fandboy.
Otherwise .

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Rao is in truth the Avatar of God and PC Supes was his descendant. Superman was called more then once "Son" by "God" during the PC days.

The Supreme being stomps. Everyone who says otherwise is a fandboy. yeah I think it happened in the sword of superman. Cytonna was slapping Clark around like nothing and had him almost frozen. I think the sun is like her kryptonite and this is why superman did so well against her.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Otherwise .

Phuck you, I'm at work...

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Phuck you, I'm at work...
Thou art not forgiven .

Who said superman did good against cythonna without a sun amp?

Gets backhanded

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SuperLastGod_13.jpg

Superman "a strength beyond I've ever encountered"

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SuperLastGod_14.jpg

He compares her strength to that of Pocket universe kryptonians who were designed to be as strong as Pre-crisis kryptonians by Time-trapper

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SuperLastGod_20.jpg

Round two, got the crap beat out of him

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SuperLastGod_30.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SuperLastGod_31.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SuperLastGod_32.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SuperLastGod_33.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SuperLastGod_34.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SuperLastGod_35_36.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SuperLastGod_39.jpg

This was while she was severaly weakened by the loss of her followers.

Dude, none of her attacks so much as scratched Supes, nor did they come remotely close to incapacitating him.

SEVERAL of Clark's rogues have done a LOT better. Cyth was mediocre at best.

Originally posted by Galan007
Dude, none of her attacks so much as scratched Supes, nor did they come remotely close to incapacitating him.

SEVERAL of Clark's rogues have done a LOT better. Cyth was mediocre at best.

Clearly he artist can't draw blood and scratches.

Though seriously, I think it's because of the Artwork, she had the upper hand.

Her punches were little more than a minor inconvenience for Supes-- he wasn't even scratched by her melee(s), and was never down for any length of time. Like I said above, most of his rogues have done a LOT better.

That said, Cyth, while minorly impressive, certainly wasn't that great, all things considered. Tbh, I'd put her on the lower end of the power tier where Superman's rogues are concerned. She just didn't do much to him.

Originally posted by Galan007
Tbh, I'd put her on the lower end of the power tier where Superman's rogues are concerned. She just didn't do much to him.

I think you're putting a little too much importance on the artist and not quite enough on the writer

Originally posted by zopzop
Well Cythonna did "good" vs Superman and Rao beat her after a prolonged fight. Superman beat her by BFRing her into the Sun and she couldn't escape so she wasn't too impressive (and neither was/is Rao if it took a prolonged fight to put her down).

Stops at Thanos.

Could you name the book that this happened in?

Originally posted by Cogito


I think you're putting a little too much importance on the artist and not quite enough on the writer Okay, even if we ignore the lack of visible injuries, the fact still remains that Cyth was using every power at her disposal (ie. telepathy, physicality, and exotic ice powers) simultaneously against Supes, and still couldn't down him for any length of time. Most of Superman's rogues have caused him a lot more damage than that, so why should she impress me more than any of them? Is it because Superman stated that she struck him as hard as he'd ever been hit? He's said that about several characters over the years... Icon, for instance:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076500/s1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076502/s2.jpg.html

Sorry for my lack of awe. /shrug

Originally posted by Stoic
Could you name the book that this happened in? She appeared in a single issue: Superman - The Last God of Krypton

Originally posted by Galan007
Okay, even if we ignore the lack of visible injuries, the fact still remains that Cyth was using EVERY power at her disposal (ie. telepathy, physicality, and exotic ice powers) simultaneously against Supes, and still couldn't down him for any length of time. Most of Superman's rogues have caused him a lot more damage than that, so why should she impress me more than any of them? Is it because Superman stated that she struck him as hard as he'd ever been hit? He's said that about several characters over the years... Icon, for instance:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076500/s1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076502/s2.jpg.html

Sorry for my lack of awe. /shrug

She appeared in a single issue: Superman - The Last God of Krypton



Thanks been looking for it for a while.

Originally posted by Galan007
Dude, none of her attacks so much as scratched Supes, nor did they come remotely close to incapacitating him.

SEVERAL of Clark's rogues have done a LOT better. Cyth was mediocre at best.
That's one of the most horrendus leap of logic I've ever seen. Which of those guys can backhand superman away like a bug? Which of them have been compared to PC kryptonians? This is the real PC superboy vs superman, notice the lack of blood and scratches and tell me he's weaker than konvikt



http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8640/22751975kp5.th.jpghttp://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5637/26510766fx3.th.jpghttp://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3818/14773568yc8.th.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
Well Cythonna did "good" vs Superman and Rao beat her after a prolonged fight. Superman beat her by BFRing her into the Sun and she couldn't escape so she wasn't too impressive (and neither was/is Rao if it took a prolonged fight to put her down).

Stops at Thanos. So it took Rao longer to defeat Cythonna than it took Superman?

Rao doesn't make it past 1 then.

Rao has created 2 trans level beings. He's a "super god" from his last origin. He can likely clear this.

^ Creating featless wonders like Flamebird and Nightwing doesn't mean much in a fight here. What have they done? Manage to sacrifice themselves to change the sun back from red to yellow? Something Sodam Yat did. Not impressed.

Maker of the universe?? A inferior version of Rao was fighting some of DC's top heroes at once.

^ A computer archive reciting Krypton's version of the Bible on-panel doesn't give Rao feats.

Neither does appealing to a supposedly inferior version of Rao give Rao feats.

stops at 1 lol

A clone of Rao was nearly unstoppable to earth's heroes. Guess who stopped it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's one of the most horrendus leap of logic I've ever seen. Which of those guys can backhand superman away like a bug? Which of them have been compared to PC kryptonians? This is the real PC superboy vs superman, notice the lack of blood and scratches and tell me he's weaker than konvikt



http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8640/22751975kp5.th.jpghttp://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5637/26510766fx3.th.jpghttp://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3818/14773568yc8.th.jpg Again:

Even if we ignore the lack of visible injuries, the fact still remains that Cyth was using every power at her disposal (ie. telepathy, physicality, and exotic ice powers) simultaneously against Supes, and still couldn't down him for any length of time. Most of Superman's rogues have caused him a lot more damage than that, so why should she impress me more than any of them? Is it because Superman stated that she struck him as hard as he'd ever been hit? He's said that about several characters over the years... Icon, for instance:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076500/s1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076502/s2.jpg.html

Sorry for my lack of awe. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Again:

Even if we ignore the lack of visible injuries, the fact still remains that Cyth was using every power at her disposal (ie. telepathy, physicality, and exotic ice powers) simultaneously against Supes, and still couldn't down him for any length of time. Most of Superman's rogues have caused him a lot more damage than that, so why should she impress me more than any of them? Is it because Superman stated that she struck him as hard as he'd ever been hit? He's said that about several characters over the years... Icon, for instance:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076500/s1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076502/s2.jpg.html

Sorry for my lack of awe. /shrug
Yeah, he was still standing after getting beat down. Impressive for him, that doesn't diminish her at all. Which of those rogues have backhanded him away like a bug? Not even doomsday has done that. That was mcduffie pandering to black characters and his own characters as usual. Comparing a punch that damaged the hand of Icon and a backhand of cythonna is not similar at all. Not my problem that you aren't awed by her./shrug

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, he was still standing after getting beat down. Impressive for him, that doesn't diminish her at all. Which of those rogues have backhanded him away like a bug? Not even doomsday has done that. That was mcduffie pandering to black characters and his own characters as usual. Comparing a punch that damaged the hand of Icon and a backhand of cythonna is not similar at all. Not my problem that you aren't awed by her./shrug She didn't just backahnd him, bud. She also punched him.... AND used TP.... AND used exotic ice powers.... At the SAME TIME. Yet never did she incapacitate Supes for ANY length of time, like MANY of his rogues have.

Why should I be impressed by her? Because of Superman's statement? Sorry, but the fight itself takes precedence over Superman's statement. If she REALLY hit as hard as a PC Kryptonian, Superman would have been ktfo.

Originally posted by Galan007
She didn't just backahnd him, bud. She also punched him.... AND used TP.... AND used exotic ice powers.... At the SAME TIME. Yet never did she incapacitate Supes for ANY length of time, like MANY of his rogues have.

Why should I be impressed by her? Because of Superman's statement? Sorry, but the fight itself takes precedence over Superman's statement. If she REALLY hit as hard as a PC Kryptonian, Superman would have been ktfo.
Let's just agree to disagree then. Its clear that neither of us is going to convince the other.