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You have no idea how the speed of light works.


If you accelerate 2 billion times more than that, you will not reach the speed of light due to something called 'relativity'.

That is to say, the speed of light is always the same relative distance from someone (i.e. while to *you* someone else may look like they're at 1/6th light, from their POV, they're at 0% light), and there's infinite room for acceleration without reaching it because the more you accelerate, the more time slows down. It's in direct proportion, your time will always slow down so that you don't get any closer to light speed.

Originally posted by Q99
Ok, so the op is discussing 360,675,153 m as the base speed. You accelerate that much, no biggie.
Actually that's the distance.

The speed he estimated for Gotenks was 412,200,176 m/s, which is impossible for any body of matter.

You can accelerate 412,200,176 m/s^2 left and right as long as you're traveling below c in all inertial systems.

Originally posted by Q99
Then, you spend just as much energy, and from your point of view, you will accelerate just as much the second time.

Then, you do that again, and likewise, just as much.

Then again, and again, and again. Billions of times.
No. The norm of acceleration is asymptotical, not linear in regards to energy.

Originally posted by Q99
Every time, from your POV, you will get the same amount of acceleration,
No.

Originally posted by Q99
And from the outside point of view, you will be, without a doubt, under the speed of light, just gaining more decimal points, as you described.

And from your point of view, you'll be at 0% of the speed of light. And everything will have time that's going super fast compared to yours. From the outside, you'll be at 0.99whatever% of lightspeed and your personal time will go super slow.

And you will cross galaxies in a very short period of time, from your point of view, and then when you get back vast spans of time will have passed.

There is, if one is talking from one's own point of view, an infinite amount of available acceleration under the speed of light. It's just from the outside POV, all that above looks like slowing the traveler's time down a little and inching closer to C without reaching it.
I don't have time to address this, but you don't seem to understand the concept relative movement and the role of acceleration in an inertial system.

From the point of view of the observer, not the traveler.

Prove it was 7 seconds

This calc is terrible you should feel embarrassed to have posted it.

Originally posted by Q99
You have no idea how the speed of light works.


If you accelerate 2 billion times more than that, you will not reach the speed of light due to something called 'relativity'.
"relativity" is not what you're looking for.
Special Theory of Relativity (or special relativity) is probably what you meant but that's not exactly correct, either.
If you accelerate 2 billion times that speed, you are going 2 billion times that speed. What you meant was applying 2 billion times that energy to the object in motion to accelerate it. Its relativistic mass would then increase, directly, as a function of the Lorentz Factor and it is a geometric growth.
Originally posted by Q99
That is to say, the speed of light is always the same relative distance from someone (i.e. while to *you* someone else may look like they're at 1/6th light, from their POV, they're at 0% light), and there's infinite room for acceleration without reaching it because the more you accelerate, the more time slows down. It's in direct proportion; your time will always slow down so that you don't get any closer to light speed.
This is not correct, either. You probably mean velocity not accelerate. Also, time dilation would occur the closer to the velocity of light you got but that would require a relative observer. Additionally, once you reached the speed of light, everything would seem stopped around you. If you could break the laws of physics and travel faster than the speed of light, we do not know what would happen: some assume you would travel back in time.

1. Non-canon. The anime cant be used unless for an anime version only thread, something that has happened and lead to erratic feats and inconsistencies.

Eg; using a timeframe for that scene opens up the door to time anything by the anime timeframe, including how long it takes characters to travel distances when (by your calc) everyone around or above Gotenks at that moment should be able to travel to any point on the planet in half a second.


2. The guide says the Saiyan forms makes them "Twice/Four times the strength of" the previous one. It barely confirms says if its physical strength or ki strength, let alone speed.


3. The scene itself, unless I'm mistaken, is inconsistent as we can see the Earth turning as he's looping it. The Earth rotates around 1/6 of its diameter in that scene (2,000,000 meters ish), and itd take about an hour for the Earth to really spin that much.

That or a day on the DB Earth only takes 3 minutes. (Or something like that, cbatiredblah)