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Who wins?

Post Retcon Beyonder.

Check out his fight with Post Retcon Molecule Man that was wrecking havok across multiverses. Or the "Spider Man and the Secret Wars" issues where Spiderman with Post Retcon Beyonder's power does incredible shit like pwn Galactus, play with the timestream, etc....

In fact, Kubik claimed there would be multiversal consequences if Post Retcon Beyonder died.

beyondet. pretty easily.

Franklin achieves victory.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Franklin achieves victory.

Yup.

No^ and No^^

beyonder is second only to TOAA

Originally posted by armedforbattle
No^ and No^^

beyonder is second only to TOAA

That's PRE retcon. This is POST retcon, where's Cube beings are beneath Galactus, and Beyonders only a fraction of a full cube.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's PRE retcon. This is POST retcon, where's Cube beings are beneath Galactus, and Beyonders only a fraction of a full cube.
Im an idiot. I thought it said pre-retcon

Originally posted by cdtm
That's PRE retcon. This is POST retcon, where's Cube beings are beneath Galactus, and Beyonders only a fraction of a full cube.
This is POST RETCON
Originally posted by Galan007
From Spider-Man: The Secret Wars 04...


Doom tells the tale of how he forcibly beat the Beyonder, and usurped his powers:

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8725/beyonder1.th.jpg http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4125/beyonder2.th.jpg

But before claiming said powers, they took a detour and entered Spider-Man.

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With Beyonder's powers, Spidey was able to..

a.) Physically rip Ultron in half -- quite a feat considering that version of Ultron was composed of primary Adamantium.
b.) Owns every 'villain' involved in SW, including Molecule Man and Galactus.
c.) Demonstrates time manipulation as a casual thing.

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3059/beyonder6.th.jpg http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/4305/beyonder7.th.jpg


How do I know Spidey was manipulating time? Because he only possessed the Beyonder's powers for one billionth of a second in real time:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9836/beyonder8.th.jpg


-Spidey-
"In that moment, I gained the powers... I was everywhere, and everything, and everyone... In that moment, which is this moment, I remade ALL of creation":

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3306/beyonder3.th.jpg

Beyonder's power then flows into Doom.

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-Doom-
"This power I now possess reaches into the past, the future, ALL time and space":

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2250/beyonder4.th.jpg


Lastly, Doom knew that his own doubts fueled by Beyonder's powers would ultimately be his undoing. But before he was conquered, he subtly altered reality:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/728/beyonder5.th.jpg


Taking into account all of the above, Beyonder's retcon(s) are once again... Questionable. srsly
Spider Man with POST retcon Beyonder's power REMADE CREATION. That's not even including his MULTIVERSES affecting fight with post retcon MM.

franklin pwns i hate saying it but he does

Originally posted by zopzop
This is POST RETCON

Spider Man with POST retcon Beyonder's power REMADE CREATION. That's not even including his MULTIVERSES affecting fight with post retcon MM.



Those claiming that Franklin wins are ignoring the scans that you posted Zop...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder


Those claiming that Franklin wins are ignoring the scans that you posted Zop...

No, they're also taking into account that Cubes are < Big G/Celestials, and Franklin not only defeated some Celestials, he made Big G his herald.

Originally posted by cdtm
No, they're also taking into account that Cubes are < Big G/Celestials, and Franklin not only defeated some Celestials, he made Big G his herald.

That lone statement by Kubik (which is very old) is debunked again and again by on-panel showings; that statement by Kubik is garbage...

@cdtm

Remember, more recent showings>>old showings...

Galactus was very easily defeated by Spidey with the power of Post-Retcon Beyonder...wasnt he?

This more recent, on panel, demostration of the power of a Cube Being>>>a statement made by Kubik more than 15 years ago...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
That lone statement by Kubik (which is very old) is debunked again and again by on-panel showings; that statement by Kubik is garbage...

Well, I'm no authority on Beyonder, but he looked came across like the small fish in the pond when Protege faced the abstracts, Celestials, and LT.

Originally posted by cdtm
Well, I'm no authority on Beyonder, but he looked came across like the small fish in the pond when Protege faced the abstracts, Celestials, and LT.

Scathan is no ordinary Celestial...

Beyonder

Kubiks statments in regards to levels of infinity, and hierarchy to cosmic orders are not only contradicting for a number of reasons. His logic do not apply to Beyonder or Molecule Man.

Neither are Cube beings. Beyonder is either a inhabitant of the realm "Beyond", or a Mutant Inhuman.

Beyonder. It seemed clear that Franklin was around Galactus levels, at best.

Originally posted by janus77
Beyonder. It seemed clear that Franklin was around Galactus levels, at best.
Galactus that just ate 4 planets level. Far beyond your "average" Galactus, but still, IMHO, no match for the Beyonder.

Post-retcon, Franklin wins.

Did any important abstracts intervene during the Beyonder vs MM fight?

Originally posted by The Merchant
Did any important abstracts intervene during the Beyonder vs MM fight?
No. They sat there and watched the show.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Did any important abstracts intervene during the Beyonder vs MM fight?
Did any important abstracts intervene during Chaos War? How about the Galactus/Scrier/Other fight? What about during HoM, when Wanda remade the entire universe/multiverse/omniverse?

Beyonder wins ... in a ridiculous stomp!

I see many posts have no idea who Beyonder is, and what he's done.
Originally posted by The Merchant

Did any important abstracts intervene during the Beyonder vs MM fight?
A Watcher got the wtfpwnd in some other Universe as a side affect of their fight.
(the artist included all types of universeS but of course could not add them all)

That aside ...

.. the "Time Variance Authority" (a cosmic Omniversal scale Timeline repair co)
were illustrated in the last page in a massive room literally stacked
with paper work concerning the damage across the Omniverse.

Originally posted by zopzop
Did any important abstracts intervene during Chaos War? How about the Galactus/Scrier/Other fight? What about during HoM, when Wanda remade the entire universe/multiverse/omniverse?

Didn't Eternity appear, but didn't do anything since Chaos king is basically an Eternity level being? So he ran away?

Originally posted by The Merchant
Didn't Eternity appear, but didn't do anything since Chaos king is basically an Eternity level being? So he ran away?

no..he didn't ran..he just said what CK wanted to do is natural in cosmic scale..something about fighting CK is like fighting himself..

Were Beyonder's powers ever really retconned?

Or were they retconned back into not being retconned?

Originally posted by Mindset
Or were they retconned back into not being retconned?

You know, it kinda seems like this is the case...